Thread: Will you participate in a premium service?

Originally Posted by weatherweenie

I respect your position to not vote, and to not subject your system to the public.

Those who have decided to go public by default have chosen to open themselves up to public commentary, whether it is good or bad.

I personally had enough of the excuses why a particular signal didn't work as planned. If a call didn't work, man up and admit it was a bad call. I also don't care for the belittling of other member's calls. Namely James' P&F Chart call of 1140, which happened to be more accurate than we all would have liked.

As they say, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

The true character of a man is shown not by how many times he falls, but by how many times he gets up after falling and not just laying there sniffling like a like a little child looking for others to comfort them.

These "excuses" as you call them are actually my opinion as to why things are going as they are. I guess on my commentaries I should just write "I lost money today, bad call, deal with it"?

I don't recall anyone belittling James's P&F chart forecast of 1140 for the S&P 500. When I was asked what my opinion of this was on August 4th, I simply stated that his YTD return at the time was -7.59%, nothing more, nothing less. If you saw this as belittling, then something might be wrong with your medulla oblongata.

Just so you know, my system gives buy and sell signals based on the indicators I use and my proprietary timing patterns. What you do with those signals is your own business. Since you feel inclined to discuss what I say in my premium thread on a public thread, allow me to remind you of a couple things you have said recently:

On 08/04/2011 in reference to the question "Where are all the dip buyers?" you replied "Did my part at the close yesterday, then screwed up my courage, or stupidity, and doubled down today."

On 08/05/2011 after I mentioned "History is full of short term periods of exceptional weakness followed by periods of extreme gains" you replied "Which is why, much as it pains me, I'm holding onto the TNA I have. Unfortunately I have the sinking feeling I will be given the opportunity to average down, again. Much as it also pains me, I am trying to have a Birchtree-esque approach and welcoming the pain."

I guess the pain was all my fault also.................

Originally Posted by Intrepid_Timer

The true character of a man is shown not by how many times he falls, but by how many times he gets up after falling and not just laying there sniffling like a like a little child looking for others to comfort them.

These "excuses" as you call them are actually my opinion as to why things are going as they are. I guess on my commentaries I should just write "I lost money today, bad call, deal with it"?

I don't recall anyone belittling James's P&F chart forecast of 1140 for the S&P 500. When I was asked what my opinion of this was on August 4th, I simply stated that his YTD return at the time was -7.59%, nothing more, nothing less. If you saw this as belittling, then something might be wrong with your medulla oblongata.

Just so you know, my system gives buy and sell signals based on the indicators I use and my proprietary timing patterns. What you do with those signals is your own business. Since you feel inclined to discuss what I say in my premium thread on a public thread, allow me to remind you of a couple things you have said recently:

On 08/04/2011 in reference to the question "Where are all the dip buyers?" you replied "Did my part at the close yesterday, then screwed up my courage, or stupidity, and doubled down today."

On 08/05/2011 after I mentioned "History is full of short term periods of exceptional weakness followed by periods of extreme gains" you replied "Which is why, much as it pains me, I'm holding onto the TNA I have. Unfortunately I have the sinking feeling I will be given the opportunity to average down, again. Much as it also pains me, I am trying to have a Birchtree-esque approach and welcoming the pain."

I guess the pain was all my fault also.................

If you want to believe your statement of James' return at the time of your reply was nothing more than an innocent observation, go ahead. It sure came across as you saying James was off his rocker, and why should anyone believe him since he's so far down the tracker.

Yeah, maybe he pulled a blind squirrel and finally found a nut, but let's face it, this time he was right.

The market is news driven. Always has been, always will be. We can't sit back and say, I would have been right, if the news weren't so bad. The issue I, and many others have, with your approach is the apparent unwilliness to admit defeat. While Rev Shark admitted something to the effect, it's time to step aside and let this thing play out, you were stubbornly holding onto a losing trade that worsened with time. Yeah, some of that is 20-20 hindsight, but come on.

As to my statements, I made them, and I was wrong. I can admit that. What you conveniently left out is that I asked you, if you could would you buy more TNA after it had dropped into the low 60s. You said yes, you would, if you had the funds. I definitely knew better than to buy in on your July 26th buy, non-buy, signal when TNA was in the low 80s based on the lower highs and lower lows it was putting in.

I'm just thankful that I have gone my out on my own and am outperforming some of the premium services. I am by no means pleased with my returns though!

Again, this isn't just me who is disatisfied with the premium services in general.

I regard myself as fortunate not to be involved in this conversation.

Originally Posted by weatherweenie

If you want to believe your statement of James' return at the time of your reply was nothing more than an innocent observation, go ahead. It sure came across as you saying James was off his rocker, and why should anyone believe him since he's so far down the tracker.

Yeah, maybe he pulled a blind squirrel and finally found a nut, but let's face it, this time he was right.

The market is news driven. Always has been, always will be. We can't sit back and say, I would have been right, if the news weren't so bad. The issue I, and many others have, with your approach is the apparent unwilliness to admit defeat. While Rev Shark admitted something to the effect, it's time to step aside and let this thing play out, you were stubbornly holding onto a losing trade that worsened with time. Yeah, some of that is 20-20 hindsight, but come on.

As to my statements, I made them, and I was wrong. I can admit that. What you conveniently left out is that I asked you, if you could would you buy more TNA after it had dropped into the low 60s. You said yes, you would, if you had the funds. I definitely knew better than to buy in on your July 26th buy, non-buy, signal when TNA was in the low 80s based on the lower highs and lower lows it was putting in.

I'm just thankful that I have gone my out on my own and am outperforming some of the premium services. I am by no means pleased with my returns though!

Again, this isn't just me who is disatisfied with the premium services in general.

Just stating fact. You can admit defeat anytime you like. I've already said I would probably exit this trade losing money, but I wasn't exiting yesterday and it won't be today.

You asked my opinion and I gave it. This is a site for TSP but I provide information for outside sources as a courtesy. If you would like me to hold your hand and show you step by step how I trade my ETF's, it will cost you a bit more than $20 per month.

Just so you know, I just sold my TNA positions and plan on buying them back after today's dip, most likely after the Fed's announcement because I have faith today's confirmation of a buy signal will last at least a few days. I hope you do sell your position to prove me wrong...........

What I said in reply to the question is exactly what I said, not everyone thinks like you I'm sure. The P&F chart thing has been in the G fund since March. Was bound to be right eventually. If James had more faith in it, he would follow it, would he not?

I'm glad you are taking it upon yourself to speak for the disgruntled masses who are not happy with my service. I hope you are able to lead them to where they want to go. I obviously can't according to you.

Good luck to you. I am done with this conversation and your cat-calls from the balcony............toodles.

Originally Posted by Intrepid_Timer

Just stating fact. You can admit defeat anytime you like. I've already said I would probably exit this trade losing money, but I wasn't exiting yesterday and it won't be today.

You asked my opinion and I gave it. This is a site for TSP but I provide information for outside sources as a courtesy. If you would like me to hold your hand and show you step by step how I trade my ETF's, it will cost you a bit more than $20 per month.

Just so you know, I just sold my TNA positions and plan on buying them back after today's dip, most likely after the Fed's announcement because I have faith today's confirmation of a buy signal will last at least a few days. I hope you do sell your position to prove me wrong...........

What I said in reply to the question is exactly what I said, not everyone thinks like you I'm sure. The P&F chart thing has been in the G fund since March. Was bound to be right eventually. If James had more faith in it, he would follow it, would he not?

I'm glad you are taking it upon yourself to speak for the disgruntled masses who are not happy with my service. I hope you are able to lead them to where they want to go. I obviously can't according to you.

Good luck to you. I am done with this conversation and your cat-calls from the balcony............toodles.

Last time I checked, I am the one who submits the buy or sell order. That is of course, I am able to access the damn TSP site.

Originally Posted by Intrepid_Timer

Just so you know, I just sold my TNA positions and plan on buying them back after today's dip, most likely after the Fed's announcement because I have faith today's confirmation of a buy signal will last at least a few days. I hope you do sell your position to prove me wrong...........

Just bought them back. Did you sell yet?

Originally Posted by Intrepid_Timer

Just bought them back. Did you sell yet?

Nope, fortunately I am in a position where I can ride this out, for years if need be.

Does your sell then re-buy constitute staying long?

Originally Posted by weatherweenie

Nope, fortunately I am in a position where I can ride this out, for years if need be.

Does your sell then re-buy constitute staying long?

Sorry sir, I can not answer that question here.

OK, everyone. Thanks for playing.