Thread: System Comments

Virginia Bob,

You seem angry and distraught.

You may have placed your altruistic expectations upon this site, and are now disappointed that it didn't meet your needs, wants or desires.

Care to name the "other" sites you mention that are "non-profit" that have operated as you suggest?

I hope that my participation in TSP will line my pockets quite nicely.That's the point really, isn't it? Just don't make assumptions about what I donate to charity.

If you really feel that you have a better idea, then employ the mechanisms of a free market economy and hang out your shingle.

It is interesting how you have determined what it costs to operate this site and how much revenue is generated. Have you seen the books, or is it just your "opinion" of how the world should be?

You maintain that you want all the developments related to this site to remain free. By this time in your journey, you must have realized that few things are free in life. You have not been charged anything to post here, nor to access the board in any way. You have certainly been anxious to take what you could, but have you ever donated to suport the site? It seems your ethic would have demanded it.

Why should any of these individuals who feel they have developed a better mouse trap let you use it for free. Are you writing the publishers of financial newsletters complaining about their subscription fees? Why then here?

Tom doesn't control Ebb, Fred or the Rev Shark, but through this site their services are available at what some would consider a great discount. What will you say if Ek comes back and wants to sell his system as he has already suggested that he might do, if he can ever commit to accountability so as to allow confidence to build?

If you have other sites that are meeting your needs, then frequent them. If this site is no longer useful, then the traffic will drop off and it will become another experiment that failed.

But your caustic references about bashing and such mostly reveal your own bias without bringing much light to the issue. I encourage you to reflect about your own anger and vitriol. Is this just your display for us, or is it common in your journey that you feel others let you down, that you are often dissapointed by those you had hoped you could trust?

This may be your deeper issue, and we can understand and extend compassion in your direction. But understand this; people and institutions will always dissapoint eventually. The question is how we move past the circumstance and develop in our own personhood.

It would not be a great suprise if you react to this post with a great deal of energy as well, as your wound and hurt seem to be very surface.

Best of luck, life and prosperity to you...

Originally Posted by SkyPilot

Virginia Bob,

You seem angry and distraught.

You may have placed your altruistic expectations upon this site, and are now disappointed that it didn't meet your needs, wants or desires.

Care to name the "other" sites you mention that are "non-profit" that have operated as you suggest?

I hope that my participation in TSP will line my pockets quite nicely.That's the point really, isn't it? Just don't make assumptions about what I donate to charity.

If you really feel that you have a better idea, then employ the mechanisms of a free market economy and hang out your shingle.

It is interesting how you have determined what it costs to operate this site and how much revenue is generated. Have you seen the books, or is it just your "opinion" of how the world should be?

You maintain that you want all the developments related to this site to remain free. By this time in your journey, you must have realized that few things are free in life. You have not been charged anything to post here, nor to access the board in any way. You have certainly been anxious to take what you could, but have you ever donated to suport the site? It seems your ethic would have demanded it.

Why should any of these individuals who feel they have developed a better mouse trap let you use it for free. Are you writing the publishers of financial newsletters complaining about their subscription fees? Why then here?

Tom doesn't control Ebb, Fred or the Rev Shark, but through this site their services are available at what some would consider a great discount. What will you say if Ek comes back and wants to sell his system as he has already suggested that he might do, if he can ever commit to accountability so as to allow confidence to build?

If you have other sites that are meeting your needs, then frequent them. If this site is no longer useful, then the traffic will drop off and it will become another experiment that failed.

But your caustic references about bashing and such mostly reveal your own bias without bringing much light to the issue. I encourage you to reflect about your own anger and vitriol. Is this just your display for us, or is it common in your journey that you feel others let you down, that you are often dissapointed by those you had hoped you could trust?

This may be your deeper issue, and we can understand and extend compassion in your direction. But understand this; people and institutions will always dissapoint eventually. The question is how we move past the circumstance and develop in our own personhood.

It would not be a great suprise if you react to this post with a great deal of energy as well, as your wound and hurt seem to be very surface.

Best of luck, life and prosperity to you...

I never mentioned being angry or distraught. If anything, I'd think we all agree that the "system" warrants some criticism due to it's poor performance since going premium. Heck, probably even Ebb himself is criticising his system now, so please quit jumping all over me or anyone else who criticises his system. If you are interested in some non profit sites, check out tspgo.com. Many stock market and personal finance sites I frequent are non profit as well, but I don't know if the terms of this message board allow me to acknowledge and advertise for them here. They are great sites as well, and it's nice that they donate all proceeds to a good cause.

Originally Posted by VirginiaBob

I never mentioned being angry or distraught. If anything, I'd think we all agree that the "system" warrants some criticism due to it's poor performance since going premium. Heck, probably even Ebb himself is criticising his system now, so please quit jumping all over me or anyone else who criticises his system. If you are interested in some non profit sites, check out tspgo.com. Many stock market and personal finance sites I frequent are non profit as well, but I don't know if the terms of this message board allow me to acknowledge and advertise for them here. They are great sites as well, and it's nice that they donate all proceeds to a good cause.

Free sites that donate all income to charity? I doubt that there would be any restriction against telling us, as there never has been a restriction in the past that I know of. And, TSPTalk has never been a "not for profit" organization, or at least Tom never intended it to be organized as a charitable organization. I hope he eventually sees some profit. I suspect he is deep in the hole when it is measured against the amount invested in the operation of the site vs how much he has garnered in return.

Tom has even suffered in his government work because of his devotion to this effort. So, it is somewhat disingenuous for someone to assert his greed.

And we have known and appreciated TSPgo long before you found this forum. And I don't know that it is organized as a non-profit, maybe so. I consider TSPgo more of a blog or an internet newsletter. I don't think that he has a forum for discussion, unless he has added it since I have been to visit the last time.

As far as criticism, there is a difference between offering constructive criticism and just being critical. You have offered nothing to improve the system, but rather have just pointed out that you feel that you should have access to it for free, and be able to publish current or relevant information that is Ebb's intellectual property.

As far as the EbbChart being free, that ship has sailed. Let it go, and move on.

The RevShark was never intended to be free.

Trader Fred has the right to charge.

What do you really want? Are you saying that it is wrong to profit? Are you suggesting that those who profit from their efforts are greedy? Are you asserting that Ebb is not a charitable person? Those are many assumptions based on what fact or truth?

Do you know what he does with his money? For that matter, what Tom does with his? Should you have the right to know just because you post your comments on this forum?

If this site is no longer meeting your needs, why are you so passionate in your critical comments?

There is more to your anger, and I suspect that your posts are only another outlet for you to vent your frustrations.

Take a deep breath before you respond... consider your comments from a distance. You seem to be too close to your emotions to consider them with any reflective objectivity.

Enjoy and relax

Actually, I never mentioned one emotion in any of my posts. Please stop making assumptions and stick with the topic. Nor did I mention that I want access to the system for free, cared what Tom does with his personal money, nor did I say this site no longer met my needs. Please stay on topic and only take things from my post that I actually said. No need to go off on tangents. For your information, one personal finance site that donates all proceeds to charity is thesimpledollar.com and I believe freemoneyfinance.com does so as well. But thier are multitudes of sites that operate as not for profit. Check them out.

Originally Posted by VirginiaBob

Actually, I never mentioned one emotion in any of my posts. Please stop making assumptions and stick with the topic. Nor did I mention that I want access to the system for free, cared what Tom does with his personal money, nor did I say this site no longer met my needs. Please stay on topic and only take things from my post that I actually said. No need to go off on tangents. For your information, one personal finance site that donates all proceeds to charity is thesimpledollar.com and I believe freemoneyfinance.com does so as well. But thier are multitudes of sites that operate as not for profit. Check them out.

No need, as this is not a personal finance site, nor does it aspire to be. This is fundamentally a TSP site e.g., "TSP" talk. These are much different than this site, and were evidently organized for such a purpose. Please contribute to them, or the CFC, your church, etc...

It seems that you have come here with a basic misunderstanding of what this site is for. I must tell you that this site may never meet your expectations, should they remain firmly set in the concept that Tom wants to remain profit free. If this does not seem right to you, then you might want to consider establishing a charitable TSP discussion site.

You don't seem to be aware of what is abundantly apparent regarding all the things that you imply implicitly through the things you write. Your pain is obvious, and your written expressions that are so angry and sarcastic in tone and timber demonstrate much more than you are willing or able to reflect upon.

I hope that you are able to integrate these difficult and stressful negative stressors.

Even your avatar seems to be telling your story...

Be at peace, receive much joy...

Best wishes,

Hey everybody---

Why is it we have a we verses them attitude? Aren't we in this together? Before the EBB tracker became a premium site, nobody complained. Nobody has really complained about any of the other premium sites that have allready been established on this site for awhile now.

Tom has been managing this site for over four years now and has received little compensation for it. Whether you followed his advice or not is not what this site was intended for. IMO---This sites intention was to educate and to get a better understanding of market trends, when to get/out of the market etc...

For those in the EBB premium site, I can understand your dissapointment. You paid good money and expect something in return. But the fact is no financial web site is perfect. The best indicator for how good the site is would be its past performance. In this aspect, the EBB tracker speaks for itself.

TSP talk is a good facet for your financial planning, but it should'nt be your only facet for it. There are other free and paid financial sites out there. If your not happy with this site, simply find another, but don't bash anyone because they are receiving some long overdue compensation for it.

Well said...

Originally Posted by SkyPilot

No need, as this is not a personal finance site, nor does it aspire to be. This is fundamentally a TSP site e.g., "TSP" talk. These are much different than this site, and were evidently organized for such a purpose. Please contribute to them, or the CFC, your church, etc...

It seems that you have come here with a basic misunderstanding of what this site is for. I must tell you that this site may never meet your expectations, should they remain firmly set in the concept that Tom wants to remain profit free. If this does not seem right to you, then you might want to consider establishing a charitable TSP discussion site.

You don't seem to be aware of what is abundantly apparent regarding all the things that you imply implicitly through the things you write. Your pain is obvious, and your written expressions that are so angry and sarcastic in tone and timber demonstrate much more than you are willing or able to reflect upon.

I hope that you are able to integrate these difficult and stressful negative stressors.

Even your avatar seems to be telling your story...

Be at peace, receive much joy...

Best wishes,

All false.

Originally Posted by VirginiaBob

All false.

To deny is one thing, to refute quite another...

Originally Posted by SkyPilot

To deny is one thing, to refute quite another...

Which you simply did not do. That's enough of this since I simply don't have the time. If you want to discuss my initial post, lets do so. If you feel you need to talk about how you percieve my emotions and your baseless assumptions, I simply don't have the time. Let me know when you want to have a real discussion. My guess is never.

Originally Posted by VirginiaBob

Which you simply did not do. That's enough of this since I simply don't have the time. If you want to discuss my initial post, lets do so. If you feel you need to talk about how you percieve my emotions and your baseless assumptions, I simply don't have the time. Let me know when you want to have a real discussion. My guess is never.

We simply disagree over Tom's right to make a buck.

I support it, and you want to launch baseless and untrue statements regarding his motives and the purpose of this site...

Do you have the time? It's later than you think...