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    Quote Originally Posted by jpcavin View Post
    It's a toss for me between Hillary and this other one..

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    WHEW!
    nothing wrong with that one neither, girl's worked hard, give her her due.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burrocrat View Post
    nothing wrong with that one neither, girl's worked hard, give her her due.
    I guess she's OVERWORKED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpcavin View Post
    It's a toss for me between Hillary and this other one..

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    WHEW!
    This one was too scary, scared everyone OUT of the Markets, Awesome!
    I saved the picture it could come in handy for something like PEST CONTROL.



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    Well, I am seeing some UGLY stuff this morning in the charts. I mean U-G-L-Y.


    The P&F for the "S" is showing me that right now we're on a brink.


    IF the "S" moves more than a 1/4 percent lower, then we're into a freefall zone- and the possibility of a 10% pullback looks very real to me. The possiblity of a 20% pullback is also not out of the realm of possibilities.

    Do I bail out today?


    Ouch.

    We'll see what happens today. Very telling day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James48843 View Post
    Well, I am seeing some UGLY stuff this morning in the charts. I mean U-G-L-Y.


    The P&F for the "S" is showing me that right now we're on a brink.


    IF the "S" moves more than a 1/4 percent lower, then we're into a freefall zone- and the possibility of a 10% pullback looks very real to me. The possiblity of a 20% pullback is also not out of the realm of possibilities.

    Do I bail out today?


    Ouch.

    We'll see what happens today. Very telling day.
    indeed thank god im in the G

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    Is it just me, or has the S fund started to diverge from the W4500? Friday - W4500 (-0.04%), S fund (-0.10%). I believe a couple other days this week were slightly off as well. I know the TSP funds earn dividends that the indices do not, but that ought to result in a higher percentage gain for the S fund, not a lower one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    Is it just me, or has the S fund started to diverge from the W4500? Friday - W4500 (-0.04%), S fund (-0.10%). I believe a couple other days this week were slightly off as well. I know the TSP funds earn dividends that the indices do not, but that ought to result in a higher percentage gain for the S fund, not a lower one.
    blackrock's giant proprietary internal tsp spreadsheet that replicates actual indices has apparently developed a data divergence error, possibly to recoup operating expenses and executive bonus obligations. these are not the captive government droids you are looking for, move along.
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    Today the S fund reclaimed part of what it had lost on Friday. S fund up +0.83% while the W4500 actually only gained +0.79%.

    I remember for a long time this site's "Fund Index Quotes" link used the DJ Completion Index to track the S fund (I believe that is what TSP.gov claims the S fund is based on), but it was not tracking accurately either, so Tom tossed it out and started using the W4500.

    So, yeah. Whatever. What's for lunch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    Today the S fund reclaimed part of what it had lost on Friday. S fund up +0.83% while the W4500 actually only gained +0.79%.

    I remember for a long time this site's "Fund Index Quotes" link used the DJ Completion Index to track the S fund (I believe that is what TSP.gov claims the S fund is based on), but it was not tracking accurately either, so Tom tossed it out and started using the W4500.

    So, yeah. Whatever. What's for lunch?
    have you tried the spicy asian mccrap?

    weird news
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    The S fund doesn't match the Wilshire 4500 when it is up. But it matches when it's down. What gives?
    Where is the Money?

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    Here's the index that seems to be tracking the S Fund the closest, Dow Jones U.S. Completion Total: ^DWCPF: Summary for Dow Jones U.S. Completion Total- Yahoo! Finance
    100 G COB 11/3/23

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin View Post
    The S fund doesn't match the Wilshire 4500 when it is up. But it matches when it's down. What gives?
    Nordic is right. But there is still more. Like most of the technical questions about the TSP Funds, your best source is TSP.gov itself. Under Funds Overview/Fund Management it says:
    F,C,S, and I Funds

    The Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board currently contracts BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A. (BlackRock) to manage the F, C, S, and I Fund assets. The F and C Fund assets are held in separate accounts and the S and I Fund assets are invested in Collective Funds. These trust funds are comprised of investments by tax-exempt institutions like the TSP, such as pension plans and endowments. Investing collectively in this way can be advantageous because it reduces trading costs. The securities held in these commingled funds are held in trust and they are not assets of BlackRock, nor can they be used to meet the financial obligations of BlackRock.

    The F, C, S, and I Funds are index funds, each of which is invested in order to replicate the risk and return characteristics of its appropriate benchmark index. For example, the C Fund is invested in a stock index fund that fully replicates the Standard and Poor's 500 (S&P 500) Index, a broad market index made up of the stocks of 500 large to medium-sized U.S. companies. The C Fund's objective is to match the performance of the S&P 500. The F, C, S, and I Funds remain invested regardless of the performance of the securities markets or the overall economy.

    BlackRock Funds
    Although the BlackRock Collective Funds operate in a manner similar to mutual funds, they are not, in fact, mutual funds and are not open to individual investors. Furthermore, they are trust funds that are regulated by the Comptroller of the Currency, not by the Securities and Exchange Commission, and therefore do not have ticker symbols.

    And under Fund Comparison Matrix it says:

    The chart below provides a comparison of the available TSP funds. You can learn more information about each fund by clicking on the fund name.

    G Fund F Fund* C Fund* S Fund* I Fund* L Funds**
    Description of Investments Government securities (specially issued to the TSP) Government, corporate, and mortgage-backed bonds Stocks of large and medium-sized U.S. companies Stocks of small to medium-sized U.S. companies (not included in the C Fund) International stocks of 22 developed countries Invested in the G, F, C, S, and I Funds
    Objective of Fund Interest income without risk of loss of principal To match the performance of the Barclays Capital U.S. Aggregate Bond Index To match the performance of the Standard & Poor's 500 (S&P 500) Index To match the performance of the Dow Jones U.S. Completion TSM Index To match the performance of the Morgan Stanley Capital International EAFE (Europe, Australasia, Far East) Index To provide professionally diversified portfolios based on various time horizons, using the G, F, C, S, and I Funds
    Risk Inflation risk Market risk, Credit risk, Prepayment risk, Inflation risk Market risk, Inflation risk Market risk, Inflation risk Market risk, Currency risk, Inflation risk Exposed to all of the types of risk to which the individual TSP funds are exposed - but total risk is reduced through diversification among the five individual funds
    Volatility Low Low to moderate Moderate Moderate to high — historically more volatile than C Fund Moderate to high — historically more volatile than C Fund Asset allocation shifts as time horizon approaches to reduce volatility
    Types of Earnings*** Interest Change in market prices

    Interest
    Change in market prices

    Dividends
    Change in market prices

    Dividends
    Change in market prices

    Change in relative value of currency

    Dividends
    Composite of earnings in the underlying funds
    2012 Administrative Expenses**** 0.027% 0.027% 0.027% 0.027% 0.027% 0.027%
    Inception Date 04/01/87 01/29/88 01/29/88 05/01/01 05/01/01 08/01/05


    And finally, under Share Price Calculation:

    Share Price Calculation


    The TSP is a daily valued plan which means the value of your account is determined each business day based on the daily share price and the number of shares you hold in each fund.
    At the end of each business day, after the stock and bond markets have closed, the total value of the funds' holdings (net of accrued administrative expenses) is divided by the total number of shares outstanding to determine the share price for that day.



    Dividends and Capital Gains
    BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A, which manages the index funds in which the F, C, S, and I Funds are invested, credits interest and dividend income each business day. This income is then reflected in the TSP share prices.
    The daily change in TSP share prices reflects all investment income (interest on short-term investments, dividends, capital gains or losses, and securities lending income) net of TSP administrative expenses.


    Since BlackRock is a private fund (not open to public), you will not find those funds in public fund quotes. And of course, there are all the other above adjustments included in the daily valuation as well. But the objective of the fund is to match Dow Jones U.S. Completion Total: so ^DWCPF is the closest. But it just SEEMS to side with the downs and not the ups.....it should go both ways! (Apologies to Burro.....did you finish lunch yet?!? )
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