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    On the points question re at minimum, a person places last based on participation vs no place at all for nonplay: by "enter", we mean "register"?

    but for clarity, under a Con vote-if a person only registers and plays 1 of 13 tournaments, and ended up last in that one game, for example, are you saying that anyone who plays, for example 6 games and ends last place every time, would end up higher in the ranks for the season than the person who only played 1 tournament and ended up last in that particular tournament?

    and for clarity, under a Con vote-would a person who registers for 6 of 13 tournaments but never makes it to any of the games, end up lower place for the season than a person who only registered for 6 and played all 6 tournaments and came in last every time of the people who actually played in those tournaments?

    seeking yes/no answers to those 2 questions, making sure I understand what the Con vote about participation points actually means in application.
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    CLUB NAME

    The option to change the name seems to no longer be available. I can close the club after the last game this season (June 26). A new club can be opened days later (but before the first tourney in July), and hopefully, PS will allow the use of the same name.

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    good information, Q. and timely. thanks for the heads up.
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    tole ya she was functional...

    Quote Originally Posted by alevin View Post
    On the points question re at minimum, a person places last based on participation vs no place at all for nonplay: by "enter", we mean "register"?

    but for clarity, under a Con vote-if a person only registers and plays 1 of 13 tournaments, and ended up last in that one game, for example, are you saying that anyone who plays, for example 6 games and ends last place every time, would end up higher in the ranks for the season than the person who only played 1 tournament and ended up last in that particular tournament?

    and for clarity, under a Con vote-would a person who registers for 6 of 13 tournaments but never makes it to any of the games, end up lower place for the season than a person who only registered for 6 and played all 6 tournaments and came in last every time of the people who actually played in those tournaments?

    seeking yes/no answers to those 2 questions, making sure I understand what the Con vote about participation points actually means in application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alevin View Post
    On the points question re at minimum, a person places last based on participation vs no place at all for nonplay: by "enter", we mean "register"?

    but for clarity, under a Con vote-if a person only registers and plays 1 of 13 tournaments, and ended up last in that one game, for example, are you saying that anyone who plays, for example 6 games and ends last place every time, would end up higher in the ranks for the season than the person who only played 1 tournament and ended up last in that particular tournament?

    and for clarity, under a Con vote-would a person who registers for 6 of 13 tournaments but never makes it to any of the games, end up lower place for the season than a person who only registered for 6 and played all 6 tournaments and came in last every time of the people who actually played in those tournaments?

    seeking yes/no answers to those 2 questions, making sure I understand what the Con vote about participation points actually means in application.
    Lol...K0n wrote that CON argument. I have no clue as to what he's talking about.

    But, if I may try to explain this again:

    Under the current, k0n supported system:
    Suppose John pays for 6 tourneys, places last in each tourney; he receives zero points. Someone that didn't play any tourneys also receives zero points. Fair?

    Under my proposed system:
    Suppose Jane pays for 6 tourneys, places last in each tourney; she receives some points. Someone that didn't play any tourneys receives zero points. Fair?

    For the life of me, I can't understand how the first system would be desirable. Maybe it's just me.

    Under k0n's system, a new, just-learning-the-game player wouldn't feel so good about the club when s/he doesn't see his/her score grow each week, like everyone else's, and worse, stays the same as players that haven't even bought in once in the whole season.

    Please feel free to ask me any additional questions about this

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    a 'Yes' would mean there WOULD be 'participation points'. So someone who got last place in 13 games would have more points than someone that got last place in 1 game. Or even probably 2nd from last in one game.

    'No' would mean no change to current way. means last place would continue to get 0 points, the same as someone who doesn't register at all. This is how the points function was intended to do.

    The people that register but don't play, and just get blinded out are not covered under this vote, its a seperate issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by alevin View Post
    On the points question re at minimum, a person places last based on participation vs no place at all for nonplay: by "enter", we mean "register"?

    but for clarity, under a Con vote-if a person only registers and plays 1 of 13 tournaments, and ended up last in that one game, for example, are you saying that anyone who plays, for example 6 games and ends last place every time, would end up higher in the ranks for the season than the person who only played 1 tournament and ended up last in that particular tournament?

    and for clarity, under a Con vote-would a person who registers for 6 of 13 tournaments but never makes it to any of the games, end up lower place for the season than a person who only registered for 6 and played all 6 tournaments and came in last every time of the people who actually played in those tournaments?

    seeking yes/no answers to those 2 questions, making sure I understand what the Con vote about participation points actually means in application.
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    Remember, under the default PokerStar point system, and most point systems, only the top 2 or 3 people get points. EVERYONE else gets 0. So that is what we went from, to everyone except last place gets 0.

    I mentioned this way back when we made the move, explained my train of thought on it, and I don't recall anyone protesting; But I understand thats likely because no one put much (or any) thought into it.

    I Personally believe getting last place doesn't deserve points, because you didn't beat anyone. I don't understand why you would want to give participation points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k0nkuzh0n View Post
    a 'Yes' would mean there WOULD be 'participation points'. So someone who got last place in 13 games would have more points than someone that got last place in 1 game. Or even probably 2nd from last in one game.
    ...and someone that got 3rd in 13 games would have more points than someone that got 3rd in 1 game.....so......what's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by k0nkuzh0n View Post

    'No' would mean no change to current way. means last place would continue to get 0 points, the same as someone who doesn't register at all. This is how the points function was intended to do.

    The people that register but don't play, and just get blinded out are not covered under this vote, its a seperate issue.
    Lol...unless you're doing something with the stats I don't know about. They would be. And they should be. Research standard poker rules.

    PS doesn't care if you play a hand or not. The stats are the stats. If you don't show, and everyone strangely folds to you. You win, regardless whether you sit down or not.

    No casino I know of, real or online, treats any player differently dependent upon whether they actually sit down at the table. You paid like everyone else. You paid blinds and antes like everyone else. You get points based upon where you place, like everyone else. Or you should be.

    Folks, you should also consider having a 'trustee' to verify that the stats are correct from game to game. It is not so difficult, and could help prevent huge problems later on.

    Nothing against k0n, but we all can make mistakes. Trust, but verify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0nkuzh0n View Post
    Remember, under the default PokerStar point system, and most point systems, only the top 2 or 3 people get points. EVERYONE else gets 0. So that is what we went from, to everyone except last place gets 0.

    I mentioned this way back when we made the move, explained my train of thought on it, and I don't recall anyone protesting; But I understand thats likely because no one put much (or any) thought into it.

    I Personally believe getting last place doesn't deserve points, because you didn't beat anyone. I don't understand why you would want to give participation points.
    And the reason you advocated strongly to change the way PS does it is because you didn't think it was fair, expect you thought is was fair that last place get nothing, as you state above.

    However, my opinion, for the stated reasons, disagrees. I think the last place should also get points.

    Good debate folks. I have no dog in this, just want folks to make an informed decision, whatever it'll be.


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    Here is a crazy idea. How about instead of voting on every little thing, we just let those delegated to their respective roles decide, and they can ask for input as they seem fit.

    For example, Tom, or whoever ends up being respondible for scheduling, decides when the seasons start and end, and whether or not its synced up with pokerstar's hardcoded quartlery dates.

    In the grand scheme of things, It really doesn't matter if it starts Tomorrow, in june, or july. or whether the season is 3 or 4 months. Or whether we use the top 8 or top 10 or top 100. At the end of the day, there will be the same number of games available to play (1 per week) and everyone will still have the exact same oppertunity to play in and win each individual game.
    Last edited by k0nkuzh0n; 05-17-2016 at 09:36 PM. Reason: spelling
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    1. I go to Vegas and place $20 "odd" on Roulette Table. It lands on "even", I get nothing.
    2. I don't play the tables in Vegas. I get nothing.

    Seems fair.

    1. I go to Vegas and place $20 on "odd" on Roulette Table. It lands on "even", I lose my $20 but I get free drinks.
    2. I don't play the table in Vegas. I don't lose my $20. I don't get free drinks.

    Still Fair.


    When does fun start start?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpcavin View Post
    1. I go to Vegas and place $20 "odd" on Roulette Table. It lands on "even", I get nothing.
    2. I don't play the tables in Vegas. I get nothing.

    Seems fair.

    1. I go to Vegas and place $20 on "odd" on Roulette Table. It lands on "even", I lose my $20 but I get free drinks.
    2. I don't play the table in Vegas. I don't lose my $20. I don't get free drinks.

    Still Fair.


    When does fun start start?
    What does 3rd place get?

    Lol...you may want to sit this discussion out.

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