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    Not to mention, not all PhD's are created equal. I'm sure that there is a large sector of our nation who believe PhD's are all medical doctors, which is not remotely accurate.

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    The source was a Facebook study in which the researchers admit that it appears many of the reponses were unlikely to be valid. It is not peer reviewed yet and the researcher herself indicated: A sensitivity analysis found some people answered in the extreme ends of some demographic categories to throw off some of the numbers. King said it appeared to be a “concerted effort” that “did make the hesitancy prevalence in the Ph.D. group look higher than it really is.”For example, they observed higher hesitancy rates than expected in the oldest age group — 75 and over — as well as the top end in terms of education level.
    “We found that people basically used it to write in political … statements,” King said. “So they weren’t genuine responses. They didn’t really complete the survey in good faith.”

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    Not sure bout those with PHD's in Philosophy, Political Science, Art History, etc...but for MD's, over 96% are reported to be fully vaccinated (this was in June, the number is likely even higher now).

    AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19

    https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cente...ross%20regions.
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    Here is more detail on the survey: https://www.ama-assn.org/system/file...ine-report.pdf

    For those with statistical backgrounds, is 301 sample size for a population of approximately 900,000 doctors adequate?

    I'm skeptical of anything from the AMA, CDC or FDA these days with anything related to COVID. All do not promote any early treatment (inexpensive drugs like Budesinide, HCQ or Ivermectin have been censored or vilified in the press). Frontline doctors were attacked & censored when they tried to raise a red flag and if you go to the hospital with COVID their protocols will put you the expensive Remdesivir protocol and ventilator where you are more likely to die. Follow the money.
    Quote Originally Posted by FireWeatherMet View Post
    Not sure bout those with PHD's in Philosophy, Political Science, Art History, etc...but for MD's, over 96% are reported to be fully vaccinated (this was in June, the number is likely even higher now).

    AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19

    https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cente...ross%20regions.

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    https://political-viewer.com/2021-09...ation-mandates
    https://dockets.justia.com/docket/di...cv02484/235825
    Gov't Employees Sue Over Biden's COVID-19 Vax Mandates
    A coalition of federal workers, service members and federal contracting employees mounted a legal challenge Thursday to President Joe Biden's and the Pentagon's COVID-19 vaccine mandates, arguing the requirements violate the U.S. Constitution and their religious freedom.

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    I'm sure they're going to get an overwhelming amount of volunteers for this collateral duty. Will they really fire some "contractor" who's working deep cover on a case overseas over this?

    Covered federal contractors and subcontractors must be vaccinated against COVID-19 and show proof of it by December 8.

    Contractors must designate someone to coordinate the implementation of and compliance with the mandate. Covered contractors must show proof of vaccination. “An attestation of vaccination by the covered contractor employee is not an acceptable substitute for documentation of proof of vaccination,” said the guidance.
    https://www.govexec.com/management/2...mber-8/185602/

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilanne View Post
    Here is more detail on the survey: https://www.ama-assn.org/system/file...ine-report.pdf

    For those with statistical backgrounds, is 301 sample size for a population of approximately 900,000 doctors adequate?

    I'm skeptical of anything from the AMA, CDC or FDA these days with anything related to COVID. All do not promote any early treatment (inexpensive drugs like Budesinide, HCQ or Ivermectin have been censored or vilified in the press). Frontline doctors were attacked & censored when they tried to raise a red flag and if you go to the hospital with COVID their protocols will put you the expensive Remdesivir protocol and ventilator where you are more likely to die. Follow the money.
    Statistically as long as the survey size is "random", 30 is enough to draw conclusions with a high degree of confidence.
    One of the few things I remember from my college statistics class.
    And if one doesn't believe the CDC, AMA, FDA, then you're skeptical about the best information out there, and probably fall prey more easily to fake internet viral "sources".
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    This will not hold up, and will be challenged in court - but it will be fait accompli.

    Without passing judgement on the value of the COVID-19 shot (I got mine, so that is where I stand), nor passing judgement on the validity of the Federal Government enforcing the mandate via OSHA and other regulatory means, I can say that companies will use the mandate as cover to force their employees to get the shot. They will just say in their best 1968 Hippie Accent - 'Man, the system made me do it...'. You do know that the 1968 hippies are now 'The System' don't you.

    Folks will get the shot before they lose their job. Also, they will prefer the shot to getting cotton swabs stuffed up their nose and into their brain cavities on a weekly basis. In the end, enough folks will get jabbed that we will get herd immunity.

    I'm just kinda hoping that the Gubmint and the private sector will be smart enough not to force this on the millions of folks who survived COVID but never got the shot - why should they bother with the shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireWeatherMet View Post
    Statistically as long as the survey size is "random", 30 is enough to draw conclusions with a high degree of confidence.
    One of the few things I remember from my college statistics class.
    And if one doesn't believe the CDC, AMA, FDA, then you're skeptical about the best information out there, and probably fall prey more easily to fake internet viral "sources".
    Thanks for responding. I don't remember much from my college stats class but I thought it was more of a percentage based on population. I don't know about surveys & polls
    It looks like less than 20% of doctors actually belong to the AMA (https://www.physiciansweekly.com/is-...ians-in-the-us or https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dr...h-all-doctors/ )
    There is some very good information out there from the CDC & FDA. I do question that they are telling people who have recovered from COVID with natural immunity to get the EUA vaccine, which is contrary to the fundamental principles of immunology.
    I'm not a boomer so I guess am more skeptical of the Gubmint, so I tend to question everything when something doesn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boghie View Post
    This will not hold up, and will be challenged in court - but it will be fait accompli.

    Without passing judgement on the value of the COVID-19 shot (I got mine, so that is where I stand), nor passing judgement on the validity of the Federal Government enforcing the mandate via OSHA and other regulatory means, I can say that companies will use the mandate as cover to force their employees to get the shot. They will just say in their best 1968 Hippie Accent - 'Man, the system made me do it...'. You do know that the 1968 hippies are now 'The System' don't you.

    Folks will get the shot before they lose their job. Also, they will prefer the shot to getting cotton swabs stuffed up their nose and into their brain cavities on a weekly basis. In the end, enough folks will get jabbed that we will get herd immunity.

    I'm just kinda hoping that the Gubmint and the private sector will be smart enough not to force this on the millions of folks who survived COVID but never got the shot - why should they bother with the shot.
    Just a question on the "legality" of mandating Covid vaccination.
    If its long been legal to mandate it for medical workers and teachers for regular flu shots, what's the legal challenge to the now fully FDA approved Pfizer vaccine (and likely Moderna in a few weeks will get full FDA approval).
    Especially during a Pandemic thats killed nearly 700,000 Americans...as opposed to the regular flu
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireWeatherMet View Post
    Just a question on the "legality" of mandating Covid vaccination.
    If its long been legal to mandate it for medical workers and teachers for regular flu shots, what's the legal challenge to the now fully FDA approved Pfizer vaccine (and likely Moderna in a few weeks will get full FDA approval).
    Especially during a Pandemic thats killed nearly 700,000 Americans...as opposed to the regular flu
    The Federal Gubmint does not mandate flu shots for the private sector.
    However, entities in the private sector can and do as a condition of employment. Or, in some cases lawyers for those entities do - to avoid avoidable litigation.

    The only good to happen by this 'mandate' is that businesses 'can' mandate the vaccine - and point to the evil Feds for the requirement. I don't think that was the intent, but that will be the reality. The legality of a Federal mandate enforced by unelected regulatory means will be tested way out there in the future - and, hopefully the Supreme Court will clank it out. Nobody wants politicians or regulatory agencies led by political appointees to force Americans to inject themselves with the next best thing as defined by some politicians. Who knows who will get elected and make those choices. Then again, we cannot count on the Supreme Court, so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boghie View Post
    The Federal Gubmint does not mandate flu shots for the private sector.
    However, entities in the private sector can and do as a condition of employment. Or, in some cases lawyers for those entities do - to avoid avoidable litigation.

    The only good to happen by this 'mandate' is that businesses 'can' mandate the vaccine - and point to the evil Feds for the requirement. I don't think that was the intent, but that will be the reality. The legality of a Federal mandate enforced by unelected regulatory means will be tested way out there in the future - and, hopefully the Supreme Court will clank it out. Nobody wants politicians or regulatory agencies led by political appointees to force Americans to inject themselves with the next best thing as defined by some politicians. Who knows who will get elected and make those choices. Then again, we cannot count on the Supreme Court, so...
    The "Evil Feds"...seriously??

    The Gov't CAN do a broad range of measures during National Emergencies. Like during war (mandatory Draft, recruiting private industry for war production, issuing Martial Law) just to name a few.
    We haven't had a pandemic on this scale in over a century...but the Supreme Court did in fact establish that the Gov't can issue vaccine mandates during emergencies.
    For the most part, state gov't took the lead, making mandates for smallpox and polio, which is why we eradicated those diseases....because all states participated.
    If a handful of states don't make vaccine mandates, the end result would certainly be that the virus would continue to mutate and spread...so good luck on not having the Fed Gov't at some point force the hand of any rouge states that would go against the mandate.

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    Not federal workers here, but something to think about. I'm sure the same law will be in effect for federal workers too.

    New York will not extend unemployment benefits to most unvaccinated healthcare workers who are fired over the vaccine mandate.

    New York Governor Kathy Hochul is ready to call in the National Guard in case of shortages of healthcare workers caused by the mandate.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/new-...mandate-2021-9

    Any sector that loses employees will be increased stress for everyone else. Increased overtime will just make even more people miserable. Maybe we should just all stop working and have the national guard do our work. They're already doing school bus driver duties in some parts of the US.

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