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    There is an important and distinct difference between some members' interpretations of the rules and what is actually stated in those rules. A member who pays for a service might not follow the recommendation of that paid service. This will likely apply to the current status of many tsptalk members.

    http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=120765&postcount=12
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    That simple solution is to follow rule six; do not track any member who pays for a TSP service. If you pay for any TSP service you are not in the tracker.

    http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?t=4775
    Automated Tracker Rules
    6. You should not use the Automated Tracker if you are following TSP Timing Newsletter, TSP Trader System, or any other allocation service.

    http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?t=4386
    Rules For Posting In Members' Accounts (no chat)
    7. You should not create an Account if you are following TSP Timing Newsletter, TSP Trader System, or any other paid service.

    Only a select, small number of members of tsp.talk have access to lists of the paying subscribers. (Tom, and others with a "need to know") Unless a member has made a point to announce it, the general population does not know who pays or who does not pay. Considering these facts, I suggest that blocking the IFT's posted by Ebb and the other Pay Services should be all that is necessary to "protect" the sanctity of the tracker and the pay services. After implementing that measure, if any member's returns develop a pattern of exactly mirroring Ebb's moves or returns, or the returns of any of the other pay services, then the blocking of that member's IFT's in the tracker would then be appropriate.

    Blocking the IFT's of any other tsp.talk members merely because they have subscribed to a pay service serves no useful purpose, except to penalize those members for supporting this site, which is the main reason these services were created.
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    Default Re: The Tracker and Paid Services

    Were do I go to talk to other paid for service members on matters that should be between them and I???? No one else??
    I see a need for a secure thread here, am I wrong???
    Last edited by camper65; 10-08-2007 at 05:26 PM.

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    I don't think anyone has suggested just because someone has subscribed to a service that their IFT's should be hidden. However, if an individual is using a subscription service to make their moves, it is incumbent upon them to avoid posting their moves in a manner that reveals the content of the subscription service.

    And why would someone want to? Participants who are using a particular service will notice right away, so it's not as if one could claim great prowess in their financial acumen without being outed.

    However, if you are using several services and picking and choosing between them, no one will be able to know who's who or what's what. And then, watch folks post their moves on TSP Stategery and smoke the returns on that forum .

    If things get to be too much of a problem, I suppose that the proprietor of the paid service could revoke the subscription of the indiscrete poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nnuut View Post
    How about US? Moderators get FREE access to the PFSs are we going to be treated the same way as the Member subscribers, or are we trusted enough not to spill the beans? As anyone can see I really don't follow any system, but I do take their allocations into consideration.

    The Tracker, I believe is probably the biggest reason people are attracted to TSP Talk, I really believe that. The more people on it the better.

    Idealistically the folks that subscribe would have a tracker just for them to track their moves, there may be a few that follow religiously, but I don't think there is many that won't go on their own if the PFS ain't doing too well. They should be in the other tracker too in order for the other members to see how well they are doing in the paid services (Totals only). I know the problems this would create in the tracker but may resolve this problem. Sometimes I have a strange way of looking at things, but that's just how my mind works.
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    I agree with you! The sooner the better! For my self, I have to ask why I should be paying for a sys. that can be gotten for free! This doesn't work as is. If paid for Sys. work, then there results will stand. No need to show individual moves. (My 2 cents)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyPilot View Post
    I don't think anyone has suggested just because someone has subscribed to a service that their IFT's should be hidden. However, if an individual is using a subscription service to make their moves, it is incumbent upon them to avoid posting their moves in a manner that reveals the content of the subscription service.
    SkyPilot...I believe you and I are probably on about the same page on this issue, but if you scroll down through this thread, you'll find numerous comments conspiring to exactly that line of thought. In fact, the majority of the comments within this thread eventually lead up to hiding IFT's of paying subscribers or expelling them from the tracker altogether.

    Here are three examples:
    http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=120765&postcount=12
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    When thinking about any change to the Automated Tracker, please follow the "simple solution" is the best. That simple solution is to follow rule six; do not track any member who pays for a TSP service. If you pay for any TSP service you are not in the tracker. This is the simple solution. We do not have the resources to differentiate between those that follow sometimes, those that follow all the time but use different funds, and those that follow but go to G fund safety and never the F fund. This just complicates the tracking work, and does not eliminate the policing of violators.

    http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=121194&postcount=30
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    I just implemented the feature that the autotracker is now capable of blocking the paid members with their last three transactions and returns the same same as the paid services.

    http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=121203&postcount=32
    /quote:
    I believe that this is a good way to keep both paid and non-paid members on the same chart. Some comments I read here (GGal and Fundsurfer) that it may be a good way to block out certain parts of the info from paid members but will keep them on the tally.
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    OK. This is what I plan to do, see if it makes sense.

    All paid services will not be shown on IFT of the day. Only YTD returns will be shown. Their last 5 allocations will be blocked.

    As for paid members, YTD returns will be shown and last 5 allocation will be blocked as well.

    Other non paid members data will be shown as usual. This is the same way as we've been doing with the webtracker and "no chat" allocation and record reporting.

    I discourage the idea of only register members can see IFT of the day, member's recording etc. By opening up of this type of data, it would provide additional free info along with other useful market analysis.

    If any paid or non paid members feel they don't want to show that much of own data. My suggestion is to PM EW to take it off from the tracker.

    Hope this approach would help to easy the tension a bit.

    BTW, the paid services on IFT allocation in "IFT of the day" has been implemented and now it is made effective.

    Ocean

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    Just finished the code with the suggestions that I mentioned earlier. Please check it out.

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    Question Question

    Can a pay subscriber have access to the Automated Tracker just to view (not to have their own account tracked)?

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    The purpose for the Automated Tracker is to record you allocations and IFTs in order to calculate your return, and compare with others. Any TSPTalk member with ten posts can join the Automated Tracker. You do not have to subscribe to the premium services to access the tracker. You must post a fund allocation at least every three months to remain in the tracker. If there is no change in allocation, one would enter the same fund allocation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Piggy View Post
    Can a pay subscriber have access to the Automated Tracker just to view (not to have their own account tracked)?


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    Originally Posted by Miss Piggy
    Can a pay subscriber have access to the Automated Tracker just to view (not to have their own account tracked)?
    Quote Originally Posted by EW_ret View Post
    The purpose for the Automated Tracker is to record you allocations and IFTs in order to calculate your return, and compare with others. Any TSPTalk member with ten posts can join the Automated Tracker. You do not have to subscribe to the premium services to access the tracker. You must post a fund allocation at least every three months to remain in the tracker. If there is no change in allocation, one would enter the same fund allocation.
    IS THAT A FLAT "NO"?

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    Doesn't seem to be any problem viewing. Just go to the automated tracker and click your choice below the the login block - without logging in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlpost View Post
    Doesn't seem to be any problem viewing. Just go to the automated tracker and click your choice below the the login block - without logging in.
    Thank you so much. I didn't realize that.

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