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    Default Re: The Tracker and Paid Services

    OK! I give up, When are today's rates posted @ TSP,gov?

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    somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but they're usually as close to 7pm eastern time as they can get. But, they usually take longer if there is going to be a fair valuation in the "i" fund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnow View Post
    somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but they're usually as close to 7pm eastern time as they can get. But, they usually take longer if there is going to be a fair valuation in the "i" fund.

    Thank You!


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    You're more than welcome Camper65... first time I've ever answered a question here on the site. I'm somewhat proud of myself.
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    I like the idea of allowing the paid people to post to the tracker but blocking their allocations from others.

    I like the idea of including the paid people's returns in the tally.

    We will all know who they are since their allocations will be blocked, and seeing their returns may be good advertisement for others to sign up (or not!)

    A tally is just a tally.

    Of course, paid subscribers shouldn't win prizes. That would p#ss everybody off!

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    I just implemented the feature that the autotracker is now capable of blocking the paid members with their last three transactions and returns the same same as the paid services. Example (Ocean and TSPTalk_Trading)

    link: http://www.tsptalk.com/tracker/tsp_user_balance_all.php

    Note: The board moderators will make the final decision to determine if this is a good way to block the paid members' info.

    Ocean

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    Ocean,

    Does this mean we can now use the autotracker if we are following a paid service? Thanks in advance for any guidance you can provide.
    Discretion is the better part of valor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspiration View Post
    Ocean,

    Does this mean we can now use the autotracker if we are following a paid service? Thanks in advance for any guidance you can provide.
    Aspiration,

    I believe that this is a good way to keep both paid and non-paid members on the same chart. Some comments I read here (GGal and Fundsurfer) that it may be a good way to block out certain parts of the info from paid members but will keep them on the tally.

    Again, I'll let the board moderators to make the final decision on this.

    Ocean

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    My vote says yes. That seems to be a good idea. I would like to see EVERYONE compete on the autotracker.

    I don't follow any of the paid services exactly. But I DO take a look at the paid services, and factor it into my thought process. Perhaps 15% of my decision on placement may be influenced by where the paid services are - Personnally, I watch Ebb and Trader Fred- but I don't mirror either one of them exactly.

    And NO, I don't want to compete for any prizes- I want those to go to the folks who show their ability to perform on their own.

    My 2 cents- for what it's worth. (And Ocean will even give me back a penny change...)

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    Minnow is correct (Minnow- isn't this fun? )


    TSP.gov USUALLY, but not always, posts new fund prices right around 7 pm. eastern time. Sometimes it's a little later, but 9 times out of 10 they are up by 7:30 pm.

    And Minnow is right- that sometimes it seems to be that if they have a FV day, the posting is a little later.

    Note to all: They seem to ALWAYS have the new prices on the TSP Thrift line phone service PRIOR to it being posted on the internet. There have been multiple times when they didn't have it posted on tsp.gov, and I was able to call the thriftline and get the numbers at about 7:15pm. Although, again, the FV days seem to be a source of slight delay.

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    I want the feature. Its useful, but its not sufficiently secure in my opinion. I can guess the IFT moves of Trader Fred by examining the prior IFTs that are not blocked and knowing that Trader Fred is making a move today, under IFT of the day, even when the allocation is blocked for the day. The fact that a paid service or that many members who subscribe are making a move for the day informs the public that a move is being made. I see a pattern formed looking at prior unblocked IFTs moves by the paid services. If the public knows that today the EbbChart is making a move, I can give a good guess if today’s move is to safety or to I/S funds. Over time of a few weeks or month, however, that would change when EbbChart moves between I and S, or S and I. The Trader Fred service is different because its pattern is stocks, safety, stocks, safety, etc. So for this service blocking just the past three moves is insufficient.

    I say we should block all prior IFTs, or more than three. We also should not display the paid services' IFTs under IFT of the day.

    I also say once again that we not allow public access to IFT of the day | Members IFT Records | Members Ranking | Returns Analysis | (click on to see) Currently anyone can access all tracker records without logging in. Just click on any of these links at the User Logon page. I say that the tracker records only be accessible after a member logs in. I see this as a big risk factor to our tracker service. I see the convenience, but when the public finds this it could degrade the tracker service. Is this concern of mine exaggerated?

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    The following was the private thread and repost here. I will do what is needed to protect the paid service info and the paid members' interest but I do want to provide good info for the public if it is to be determined useful.

    Ocean

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean View Post
    My theory for opening up certain info unblocked is to attract all site visitors for frequent visits. If the site has useful information, people will come. That is the purpose of the free site. If the blocking of three is not sufficient, I can make it to 5 for both paid members and paid services.

    However, if all the members info are blocked, it will defeat the original purpose of the webtracker. Basically all the info are available from the webtracker and its weekly reports and ATCjeff's daily returns for top 10, but the autotracker makes it much easy to locate. I don't see there is any of security issue here.

    As for paid services, we have 1 protected service and 2 unprotected services since last summer (until recently). The returns from these services range from below average, to average to extremely exceptional. But it is up to the individual to make their own investment decision. Not everyone 100% follows these services. It is the beauty of free investment. It is indicated from over 140 tracked members' records on the webtracker.

    If non-paid visitor could receive some hints or investment idea from this site, why not let them do it if they found the info useful. If they could configure out all the moves of the Ebbchart, that's good for them. But still, will they follow it 100%, that is another question.

    My original goal to have the autotracker written was to help the admin to do the job easier and at the same time to provide useful info for visitors. Certainly I do not want to have all the info hidden for paid members.

    But I will make certain adjustment for registered members (not the paid members) to view its own data if it is determined to be necessary.


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