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    Default Find your new tax brackets under the final tax plan

    Realizing more details are forthcoming, [] it would appear my tax burden (at least in the income range I reside in ($77,400 to $165,000) ) is reduced on average by 3% in each bracket.
    (Married filing jointly is 12% on the first $77,400, 22% on the remainder up to $165,00).
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/pers...bNe?li=BBnb7Kz
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...D=ansmsnnews11
    Opinions, thoughts, comments? How does this affect your current situation?

    (PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Do Not start a political debate in this thread. I will personally ask Tom to lock it if it turns political. I'm not looking to get banned. I'm only looking for honest opinions of whether you think the new tax plan will help or hurt you as a single/married/family taxpayer based on the new tax bracket structure and changes to deductions).
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    see my comment about tsp modernization regs. Because I want to do some early lumpsum withdrawals for purchasing retirement property that can produce some supplemental income (eventually), it will be a big benefit to me through 2025. If I wanted to just live a retiree life without any big upfront expenses, there would be some small but measurable benefits for me in terms of quality of life takehome income until the new brackets expire. small amounts that could be invested and maybe grow in outside accounts.

    I'd be giving considerable thought to doing Roth conversions during the interim as well if wasn't already planning on spending a fair amount of taxable $ on retirement property and small-business startup costs in the interim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorCat View Post
    ... the new tax brackets seem to be more beneficial for most people. ...
    Not to "start" a debate either, but instead, to reply to whatever you want to call what you started by posting your political opinion/conclusion above: I disagree.
    Last edited by userque; 12-16-2017 at 12:38 PM.
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    Any better?

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    For single, 12 & 22% vs 15 & 25% up to $82.5K is 3% difference. For over $82.5K it goes up to 24%, which is still 1% better than the 25% & 4% better than 28%. The 24% bracket is up to $157K which is currently either the 25 or 28% bracket. It is a little confusing with brackets being different. Overall it seems to be better.

    I'm not crazy about how they say they are doubling standard deduction while taking away the exemption--very misleading. If itemizing, reducing the medical expenses exclusion from 10% to 7.5% of AGI for everyone in 2017 & 2018 is beneficial for retirees since your FEHB payment is after tax and can be counted towards the amount used for itemized deductions.

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    Speaking to the changes to the brackets by themselves my tax burden is lessened. I agree the changes to standard deductions and exemptions are a bit confusing at this point. I havenít had enough deductions to go the long form in quite a few years, so I donít know that changes to deductions will affect me anyway.
    I still favor a simple flat tax, or fair tax strategy. But, then what fun would that be.

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    Looking over tax returns, specifically exemptions for property taxes, state income taxes and sales taxes, I donít see the $10,000.00 ceiling being a problem. Property taxes on two homes is around $3,500.00 annually, and Iím exempt from state income taxes (border city exemption). Sales tax Iíll have to wait and see. Iíve offset a lot of sale tax by buying online from site that donít charge tax, although those are getting fewer and farther between.
    Higher income tax states at higher income levels will be the ? mark.

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    That's why I bought the house in Horseshoe, More house for half the tax.
    Quote Originally Posted by RazorCat View Post
    Looking over tax returns, specifically exemptions for property taxes, state income taxes and sales taxes, I donít see the $10,000.00 ceiling being a problem. Property taxes on two homes is around $3,500.00 annually, and Iím exempt from state income taxes (border city exemption). Sales tax Iíll have to wait and see. Iíve offset a lot of sale tax by buying online from site that donít charge tax, although those are getting fewer and farther between.
    Higher income tax states at higher income levels will be the ? mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorCat View Post
    Realizing more details are forthcoming, [] it would appear my tax burden (at least in the income range I reside in ($77,400 to $165,000) ) is reduced on average by 3% in each bracket.
    (Married filing jointly is 12% on the first $77,400, 22% on the remainder up to $165,00).
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/pers...bNe?li=BBnb7Kz
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...D=ansmsnnews11
    Opinions, thoughts, comments? How does this affect your current situation?

    (PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Do Not start a political debate in this thread. I will personally ask Tom to lock it if it turns political. I'm not looking to get banned. I'm only looking for honest opinions of whether you think the new tax plan will help or hurt you as a single/married/family taxpayer based on the new tax bracket structure and changes to deductions).
    It all depends on how much you currently have in deductions.
    Spousal support, mortgage interest, state taxes, student loans and a few others give me about 40K in deductions. For me it seems I would lose 16K in deductions...I fall in the same income bracket as you do.
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    It appears deductions and credits for student loans are only affected after certain income levels are reached.
    GOP Tax Bill: What Will Change for Students | Money
    And mortgage interest will only be deductible on the first $500,000.00 of home loans made after November 2, 2017.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e8f8d62a31b3
    Spousal support tax exemptions are only eliminated on payments started after December 31, 2017. Current spousal benefits being paid are not affected.
    How all that pans out in the final remains to be seen, but that's what I've read to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireWeatherMet View Post
    It all depends on how much you currently have in deductions.
    Spousal support, mortgage interest, state taxes, student loans and a few others give me about 40K in deductions. For me it seems I would lose 16K in deductions...I fall in the same income bracket as you do.
    I agree with Fire. If you didnít use exemptions before, then the reductions in exemptions donít matter. I am also wondering how my rental real estate will be affected. Is that a so-called pass-through business? Iíll have to talk to my tax man about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uscfanhawaii View Post
    I agree with Fire. If you didnít use exemptions before, then the reductions in exemptions donít matter. I am also wondering how my rental real estate will be affected. Is that a so-called pass-through business? Iíll have to talk to my tax man about that.
    I believe you mean deductions rather than exemptions. The personal exemption(s) of $4K per person is currently subtracted after standard or itemized deduction. For rental property that is passive income, I believe there will not be any impact--Property Tax should still be an expense that can be deducted from rents received. I think it would be the same, even if you "actively participate" in the rental property(s). In either case, any profit calculated on Schedule E is taxed as ordinary income.

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