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    Ok, I did know about that but forgot and most of my focus has been on IRA accounts only.

    Very good point to bring up to avoid tax.
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    It's great that you opened this thread. we sure will learn a lot.
    Where to look for long or short signals? I remember you said somewhere that you follow Robo's? I could not find it.

    Thanks

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    In the Long Run, We're All Dead

    Posted Mar 26, 2008 12:22pm EDT by Aaron Task in Investing Related: ^SPX, ^DJI, SPY, TLT

    When the market is as wild as it's been of late, it's easy to get sucked into the daily drama. But it's always important to keep the long-term view in focus.
    And the long-term reality is this: The U.S. stock market has been essentially flat for the past nine years and has wildly underperformed other assets, including Treasuries, as detailed by The Wall Street Journal.
    Key takeaways from this grisly track record:
    • Owning stocks, even for a long period, is not a guarantee of success as many came to believe in the 1990s. There also the debate over buy and hold vs. market timing to consider.
    • Having a diversified portfolio of assets -- not just diversity among your equity portfolio -- is critical to long-term investing success, if not survival.
    • The current morass does help set up the next bull market cycle, and U.S. stocks are cheap relative to Treasuries, real estate, and international markets. That may help in the short term, but the stock market has a history of moving in 17-year cycles, which means we may be only about halfway through the current long-term slump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Show-me View Post
    Roth IRA's are great.

    Use limit orders ALWAYS! Use stops in case you get killed on the drive to work and your trade goes to crap. This does nothing for you, cuz your dead, but protects your families inheritance so they can bury you in a nice box.
    What would you set as a limit sell order? Still at 5%?

    TIA

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    List of all (??) ETFs.
    http://www.etfconnect.com/select/FindAFund.aspx


    Show-me, any thoughts on those ETF with really high yield? (>5%)?

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPM View Post
    List of all (??) ETFs.
    http://www.etfconnect.com/select/FindAFund.aspx


    Show-me, any thoughts on those ETF with really high yield? (>5%)?

    Thanks,
    Not really, I stick to my core etf's. SDS and SSO. I use a very loose stop range between 5% and 10%.
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    Quotes for Long 1x 2x, Short 1x 2x for NASDAQ, S&P500, MID CAP 400, and DOW:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/cq?d=v1&s...ia,ddm,dog,dxd

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    It's been a while since this thread has grown and I am looking to start trading ETFs sometime in the next 2 years (I want to kick the student loans first). First of all, what are your recommendations for a brokerage? I've looked up TD Ameritrade, they seem to offer many free ETFs. My main question is about the fees for not holding the ETF for long enough. I have been coming up with a few systems that trade around 2-3 times per month just based on TSP rules. But I notice with ETFs there is a fee for not holding longer than say 30 days or so. I think it was something on the order of $20 or something. My question, is do you just swing trade and take the fee since it's probably less than any gains you would make on your trade? Or do you use a longer term approach and look for better buying opportunities? I've been trying to get a better handle on longer term trading but I don't think I've formulated a great exit strategy to avoid the slumps.

    - Also, I'm not talking about trading in a Roth IRA account, this account would be just my own personal investments

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    Are you mistakenly comparing Mutual Funds with ETF's? I manage two ROTHS and a personal brokerage account with Charles Schwab. I can trade any of the Schwab ETF's commission free (or Schwab Mutual Funds). I don't use the Mutual Funds, only ETF's. Examples are SCHA (Small Cap), SCHE (Emerging Market, SCHF (Foreign like our I Fund), SCHZ (AGG Bonds-F Fund, there are many others.

    Three day hold for funds to settle if ETF's/Stocks purchased with unsettled funds. If purchased with settled funds, no hold. If I trade other ETF's, Mutual Funds, Stocks, that are not part of the Schwab funds, I pay 8.95 commission per trade.

    If you trade 3 times a month, 36 a year in your account, Schwab will give you StreetSmartEdge to use. It's their proprietary program for rechnical analysis, managing your account, buying/selling, etc.




    Quote Originally Posted by craigerv View Post
    It's been a while since this thread has grown and I am looking to start trading ETFs sometime in the next 2 years (I want to kick the student loans first). First of all, what are your recommendations for a brokerage? I've looked up TD Ameritrade, they seem to offer many free ETFs. My main question is about the fees for not holding the ETF for long enough. I have been coming up with a few systems that trade around 2-3 times per month just based on TSP rules. But I notice with ETFs there is a fee for not holding longer than say 30 days or so. I think it was something on the order of $20 or something. My question, is do you just swing trade and take the fee since it's probably less than any gains you would make on your trade? Or do you use a longer term approach and look for better buying opportunities? I've been trying to get a better handle on longer term trading but I don't think I've formulated a great exit strategy to avoid the slumps.

    - Also, I'm not talking about trading in a Roth IRA account, this account would be just my own personal investments

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    https://www.tdameritrade.com/pricing.html

    "ETFs eligible for commission-free trading must be held at least 30 days. If you sell an eligible ETF within the 30-day hold period, a short-term trading fee will apply."

    I've only looked at a couple of different brokerages but I remember thinking that the short term trading fee was a normal rule.

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    Default Re: Swing trading ETF's with a brokerage account.

    It's been a while since this thread has grown and I am looking to start trading ETFs sometime in the next 2 years (I want to kick the student loans first). First of all, what are your recommendations for a brokerage? I've looked up TD Ameritrade, they seem to offer many free ETFs. My main question is about the fees for not holding the ETF for long enough. I have been coming up with a few systems that trade around 2-3 times per month just based on TSP rules. But I notice with ETFs there is a fee for not holding longer than say 30 days or so. I think it was something on the order of $20 or something. My question, is do you just swing trade and take the fee since it's probably less than any gains you would make on your trade? Or do you use a longer term approach and look for better buying opportunities? I've been trying to get a better handle on longer term trading but I don't think I've formulated a great exit strategy to avoid the slumps.

    - Also, I'm not talking about trading in a Roth IRA account, this account would be just my own personal investments

    SmartMoney.com has a good comparsion of online brokers. Go to the Home page and search for best online brokers. Sorry, I don't know how to include link here.. Good Luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigerv View Post
    https://www.tdameritrade.com/pricing.html

    "ETFs eligible for commission-free trading must be held at least 30 days. If you sell an eligible ETF within the 30-day hold period, a short-term trading fee will apply."

    I've only looked at a couple of different brokerages but I remember thinking that the short term trading fee was a normal rule.
    Interesting, not with Schwab funds. I have been trading them for a couple years now, at least 4-6 moves a month.

    I am happy with Schwab.

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