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    Then there are those who are complaining about their liberties being taken away due to stay at home orders. Also have seen comments about, we are disrespecting those who fought and died to provide us with the liberties we enjoy. What is not mentioned is, if your behavior, actions, under the guise of liberty could threaten my, or my family's life, so be it.

    It's a little like a drunk making the choice to drive.

    Quote Originally Posted by FireWeatherMet View Post
    Well what makes that comparison (to last years flu season) basically worthless, is we do NOT have any large-scale shutdowns in place for the regular flu.
    A valid comparison would be...How many flu deaths in 2018 if the US enacted the same "total shutdown" procedures as we have now, at the start of the 2018 flu season?

    Or...since COVID-19 is as much or even more contagious as the regular flu, how many deaths would we have, if we had the "No Lock-down" policies of 2018?
    Given the current US Death rate from COVID is near 4.0%, and the regular flu near 0.1%, deaths statistically would rise to over 3.2 Million....and actually would likely be much higher because that many more cases would quickly overwhelm our hospitals, meaning a certain percentage of those with other treatable diseases would also die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weatherweenie View Post
    Then there are those who are complaining about their liberties being taken away due to stay at home orders. Also have seen comments about, we are disrespecting those who fought and died to provide us with the liberties we enjoy. What is not mentioned is, if your behavior, actions, under the guise of liberty could threaten my, or my family's life, so be it.

    It's a little like a drunk making the choice to drive.
    I've seen many of those comments also.
    My response to them is that in wartime, or emergencies when Martial Law is declared, ones "Liberties" are not unlimited.
    The Constitution is a broad based guide and does NOT address short term emergencies.
    We do have unalienable rights to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness", but what leaders of all sides (right and left) have agreed, is during emergencies, we do not have the "Liberty" to do significant harm, or death to others.
    Or in this case, do we have the Liberty to make this pandemic worse, cause tens or hundreds of thousands of more deaths, and ruin the economy and our way of life, for much longer than it otherwise would be.
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    China: Hubei Province issued today a "Notice on the Correction of the Number of New Coronary Pneumonia Cases Diagnosed and the Number of Diagnosed Deaths in Wuhan" in which it reported 1,290 additional deaths that had not been previously counted and reported, bringing the total number of deaths in Wuhan from 2,579 to 3,869, an increase of 50%, as the result of a revision by the Wuhan New Coronary Pneumonia Epidemic Prevention and Control. As part of this revision, 325 additional cases in Wuhan were also added. Separately, China's National Health Commission (NHC) reported 26 new cases (and no deaths) in its daily report
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beester15 View Post
    never occurred to me about the class action lawsuits....

    Illinois has been under a shelter in place order since mid march yet the number of cases keeps rising. It is clear (to me anyway) that this isn't going away until there is a vaccine or therapeutic meds....

    will we see a 100% retracement to previous highs from this dead cat bounce? it seems like all the Fibonacci resistance lines have been passed or met?

    there will be another virus attack in the winter of '20-'21. no vaccines will be available and basically no cure is available.
    Well over 200 virus strains are implicated in causing the common cold, with rhinoviruses being the most common.

    the point is there are hundreds of viruses that they cannot make a vaccine for. HIV is one which fauci and brix worked on for decades, they made millions in research money, caused a panic etc.
    now a virus is throwing the USC out the window with black boots on the street, for deaths that are no more than the common flu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie View Post
    for deaths that are no more than the common flu.
    Thanks to the stay at home orders that have been enacted.
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    New York’s shutdown extended to mid-May as social distancing appears to be working

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    Quote Originally Posted by weatherweenie View Post
    Thanks to the stay at home orders that have been enacted.

    zero proof to that. same type of people with underlying health conditions are the same type that die from the flu and C19.
    Coronavirus Cases: and we know from CDC reporting requirements these numbers are pumped up.

    709,201


    Deaths:

    37,135

    Recovered:

    59,997

    CDC flu deaths this season
    62,000
    flu deaths


    80,000 people died in the 2017-2018 flu season.

    QUARANTINE IS WHEN YOU RESTRICT THE MOVEMENT OF SICK PEOPLE TYRANNY IS WHEN YOU RESTRICT THE MOVEMENT OF HEALTHY PEOPLE

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    Common sense. If as many people have died, with isolation...

    As for the accusation that the CDC is over-reporting, thanks for the laugh. If anything, cases and deaths have been under-reported due to lack of testing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie View Post
    zero proof to that. same type of people with underlying health conditions are the same type that die from the flu and C19.
    Coronavirus Cases: and we know from CDC reporting requirements these numbers are pumped up.

    709,201


    Deaths:

    37,135

    Recovered:

    59,997

    CDC flu deaths this season
    62,000
    flu deaths


    80,000 people died in the 2017-2018 flu season.

    QUARANTINE IS WHEN YOU RESTRICT THE MOVEMENT OF SICK PEOPLE TYRANNY IS WHEN YOU RESTRICT THE MOVEMENT OF HEALTHY PEOPLE

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    Some conspiracy theorists want you to believe that the CDC is over-reporting Covid-19 cases/deaths. Meanwhile, in reality: China’s official death toll from the coronavirus pandemic jumped sharply Friday as the hardest-hit city of Wuhan announced a major revision that added nearly 1,300 fatalities.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-e...045646955.html
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    You both make great arguments. I can go either way on a given day. But, what really gets to me is that I have a 69 year old wife with a couple of underlying issues and "they" say that this virus is not at all like the regualr flu when it makes it's home in the perfect host. I think that's what gets to a lot of us. We're told that this one is much more dangerous than the run of the mill flu.

    I'm doing everything I can do to keep from bringing it into my home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerray View Post
    You both make great arguments. I can go either way on a given day. But, what really gets to me is that I have a 69 year old wife with a couple of underlying issues and "they" say that this virus is not at all like the regualr flu when it makes it's home in the perfect host. I think that's what gets to a lot of us. We're told that this one is much more dangerous than the run of the mill flu.

    I'm doing everything I can do to keep from bringing it into my home.

    yes it causes pneumonia which is dangerous for anybody who has underlying conditions. the flu can cause pneumonia for the same type of person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weatherweenie View Post
    Common sense. If as many people have died, with isolation...

    As for the accusation that the CDC is over-reporting, thanks for the laugh. If anything, cases and deaths have been under-reported due to lack of testing.

    laughing? your lack of knowledge of the CDC instructions for documenting any death right now as caused by C19 is very disturbing. do some research before u laugh too hard and hurt yourself. to help u out there is a State Senator in a new interview who is also a doctor bringing this up and stating how wrong it is.
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