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    No question the amount you earn has a lot to do with a capability to save. Its the mindset/ability that makes it difficult for most along with all those variables that could possibly have something to do with them having ZERO saved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkFE View Post
    No question the amount you earn has a lot to do with a capability to save. Its the mindset/ability that makes it difficult for most along with all those variables that could possibly have something to do with them having ZERO saved.
    Yep...I remember those paycheck-to-paycheck days well.
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    Interesting article, I've noticed this for some time and know quite a few people who make good salaries and are in a similar position.

    A lot can be blamed on the 2008-09 meltdown. Not only did some nest-eggs go from healthy amounts to near nothing, but then cash strapped families in bad mortgages as well as the millions who lost their jobs (there were millions of jobs lost) had to dip into their 401K'a to survive, many totally depleting them.

    Another longer term symptom...401K's are not what they used to be. Back in the 90's they had much more generous matching than TSP...I knew a few folks who had 8% matching.
    Today, nearly a third of companies who offer 401K offer NO Matching. For those who match, average matching is much lower than the 1990s also, near 4%.

    And lets face it...we are poor savers, Its the human condition. Especially in our consumer economy where every commercial urges you to use your credit card to keep up with the Jones's.

    Make no mistake, this is a huge crisis. And a big part of wage stagnation and no inflation. With an ever increasing senior population, we have a bigger and bigger portion of America that can't afford to pay higher prices for anything. That affects the costs of products, which stays the same, and the salaries/wages that produce those products then stay the same. In the very short term, I guess that is good for us. But not for long.

    We need 401K laws like other nations have. Mandatory contributions from your paycheck of at least 3%. Mandatory matching of at least 5%.
    And a lockbox...no dipping into your fund is allowed. Australia has this. Some might say this is too much Big Gov't, but we as a nation have proven we can't save for our retirement without the nanny to spank us once in a while. And the crisis they are creating is affecting as all.
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    Default Re: Many Americans over 55 have zero retirement savings

    Well said Sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireWeatherMet View Post
    And lets face it...we are poor savers
    Isn't that the truth. But most articles I read have us trending in a positive direction.
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    I honestly think the root cause of this is lack of education / ignorance when it comes to the importance of investing.

    When I first joined the military, the TSP was there, but I didn't enroll basically because I barely heard anything about it. It wasn't until I started working my current job 6 years ago, and talking to some of the old timers that I got into investing. Nothing really changed other than just being informed about the importance of putting money aside for retirement (and a little bit of the know-how).

    I agree with Tom, there should be a mandatory course in high school dealing with financial /retirement planning / investing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkFE View Post
    You're Not?
    Not hardly.
    Is today Saturday again?

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    Well, in order to really figure this out, you have to remove 29% of the population of 55-65 year olds as they never saved a dime because the other 71% of them averaged $104k into 100%

    Their average retirement account is probably much higher once you remove that 29%

    Still its scary.

    I have been a saver for so long, I don't think I know how to overspend.
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    It's Bush's fault, duh.

    Quote Originally Posted by tsptalk View Post
    Same old story. Get ready to spread the wealth...

    Most older Americans fall short on retirement savings

    "A new GAO analysis finds that among households with members aged 55 or older, nearly 29 percent have neither retirement savings nor a traditional pension plan."

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkFE View Post
    You're Not?
    No I'm not counting on SS because as this crisis gets worse the Government is going to tax more and more of it away from us who have anything to support those who have nothing. SS is only going to be a welfare program for the retired poor. I think FERS employees are going to be hit extra hard in the future as we are accused of double dipping. We will be accused of having two government pensions (FERS & SS) and something needs to be done about that. That's why a number of us around here put so much stock in our TSP (and so much of our TSP into stocks ). It's the only thing we have any control over. My own investments is what I'm counting on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weatherweenie View Post
    It's Bush's fault, duh.
    Weenie, did you lose your way?
    If you want to go political...stick to threads with a * in front of them. The rest of us are trying to leave partisan politics out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cactus View Post
    No I'm not counting on SS because as this crisis gets worse the Government is going to tax more and more of it away from us who have anything to support those who have nothing. SS is only going to be a welfare program for the retired poor. I think FERS employees are going to be hit extra hard in the future as we are accused of double dipping. We will be accused of having two government pensions (FERS & SS) and something needs to be done about that. That's why a number of us around here put so much stock in our TSP (and so much of our TSP into stocks ). It's the only thing we have any control over. My own investments is what I'm counting on.
    Once I retire at 62, I am removing all funds, letting them tax me at the going rate, so I can avoid future massive tax increases.

    I should still come out ahead. I think.
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