Thread: COVID EO

Yes, and what will the impact on the economy be if there is some kind of mass exodus of workers across the country who do not want to get vaccinated.

I assume they will have an option to be tested weekly, but if they are fired would the unemployment rate jump to double digits again?

No politics, please. Looking at it from the economic standpoint and how it will impact the TSP funds.

I’ve already read some stories about how it’s affecting some hospitals negatively.


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Right now there are some 80 million not vaccinated. Even if this "idea" succeeds in getting 40 million vaccinated, that still leaves 40 million potentially facing unemployment.

Just doing some math here, the EO quoted at the beginning of this thread only applies to Federal employees which is 2 million Civilians and another 2 million military? The order that applies to employers with over 100 employees would bring in another 100 million employees but the majority of those are vaccinated already (I am guessing quite a bit higher than the 64% in US fully vaccinated). So of the 80 million not vaccinated, this EO is only going to cover about 30 million in my estimate (I actually think it is less than that). But we may see some employers who are not covered by the EO, start mandating it as well. When faced with the choice of getting the shot or losing their job, I am guessing that most will choose their job, even if they really don't want to get the shot. Not sure how those numbers impact the economy. Will be tough to track unemployed due to no shot numbers though.

I think most will choose their job also. My nephew who was opposed to the shot was mandated by his employer and he decided to get the shot because he said “I need to eat.”

I thought these stats were interesting, although I don't know the source.

We can make some assumptions based on the numbers as far as where gov't employees might fall on the graph, but the PhD figure is interesting. Are doctors employers or employees?

I don't know how this will impact the US workforce overall but, I've though about this a good deal over the weekend. My situation, 61 years of age, currently receiving FERS retirement, and have been working part-time as a government contractor for mental stimulation over the past 4 years. I've been vaccinated but will refuse to produce documentation for anyone demanding proof of my vaccination status including my employer, and any business or venue requiring the same for admittance. Something about those 31 years of annual training reminding me that medical records are 'protected information'. I'd rather get fired and collect unemployment than show my 'working papers' to the gov'ment overseers. The bills are paid and I suppose I can find other ways to entertain myself.

The source was a Facebook study in which the researchers admit that it appears many of the reponses were unlikely to be valid. It is not peer reviewed yet and the researcher herself indicated: A sensitivity analysis found some people answered in the extreme ends of some demographic categories to throw off some of the numbers. King said it appeared to be a “concerted effort” that “did make the hesitancy prevalence in the Ph.D. group look higher than it really is.”For example, they observed higher hesitancy rates than expected in the oldest age group — 75 and over — as well as the top end in terms of education level.
“We found that people basically used it to write in political … statements,” King said. “So they weren’t genuine responses. They didn’t really complete the survey in good faith.”

https://www.wnct.com/news/north-caro...-among-ph-d-s/

So are they are saying there was some type of conspiracy to throw off the results of a Facebook survey because results were not what they expected?

"they observed higher hesitancy rates than expected in the oldest age group — 75 and over — as well as the top end in terms of education level."
I can think of several valid reasons why both groups could be more hesitant about taking an experimental "vaccine"

I would be more interested in a valid survey (not one from Facebook) of medical professionals' hesitancy re: COVID mRNA shots.
https://calmatters.org/health/corona...rses-shortage/
“California’s nursing shortage: The state’s new vaccine mandate for health care workers is already causing headaches for understaffed hospitals before it is even implemented. Some traveling nurses — who are in high demand nationwide — are turning down California assignments because they don’t want to get vaccinated.”
With shortages of Nurses & Doctors across the country, can you imagine what impact even a small percentage reduction due to the mandates will have on our health care system?

Originally Posted by flalaw97

The source was a Facebook study in which the researchers admit that it appears many of the reponses were unlikely to be valid. It is not peer reviewed yet and the researcher herself indicated: A sensitivity analysis found some people answered in the extreme ends of some demographic categories to throw off some of the numbers. King said it appeared to be a “concerted effort” that “did make the hesitancy prevalence in the Ph.D. group look higher than it really is.”For example, they observed higher hesitancy rates than expected in the oldest age group — 75 and over — as well as the top end in terms of education level.
“We found that people basically used it to write in political … statements,” King said. “So they weren’t genuine responses. They didn’t really complete the survey in good faith.”

https://www.wnct.com/news/north-caro...-among-ph-d-s/

Both, but I believe more and more doctors fall into the employee category, working for hospitals or large medical clinics. Some are hired as contractors or traveling doctors.

Originally Posted by tsptalk

I thought these stats were interesting, although I don't know the source.

We can make some assumptions based on the numbers as far as where gov't employees might fall on the graph, but the PhD figure is interesting. Are doctors employers or employees?

Originally Posted by tsptalk

Originally Posted by evilanne

So are they are saying there was some type of conspiracy to throw off the results of a Facebook survey because results were not what they expected?

Not because it wasn't expected but because there were responses that were all at the extremes. Note the "survey" was done on Facebook starting on January 6 and continuing through May. The response rate was much higher at the beginning of the survey and most importantly to me:

People taking the survey were on the honor system, with no way to make sure people who claimed to have Ph.D. degrees actually have them.
And the Ph.D. group does not include medical doctors or nurses.
“So it’s not representative of the medical profession,” King said.

I am not saying that I doubt that some highly educated people might be hesitant to get the vaccine, just that this "study" isn't what I would rely on to come to that conclusion.

I agree that a survey of MDs and RNs might be more valuable.