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    At COB Friday Sept 24, 2004, month to date, for the TSP (do it your self investors), the funds have recorded:

    G=.03 F=.05 C=.05 S=.28I=.12 increases from Sept 1st.

    Funds hit a peak on Sept 21st and have fallen somewhat, maybe into another cycle of this trending market.

    The G fund (Granny) is probably the most prudent fund for the current time, based on market sentiment, and world events i.e., oil. The C fund has not been impressive and has risk higher then the G fund. The S fund has been the leader. The C-S-I funds can be volatile, somewhat, relative to the market (noting that they are index funds). The F fund needs caution because interest rates are rising and some members feel that it could peak, so far it's doing ok, but it needs to be watched for any trends (Thanks MT for your comments).

    Using the S&P 500 as a general guide the market is indicating short or sell. Noting that the MA is now over the price (However, this is only for the S&P which would be the C Fund) See:

    http://stockchart.com/gallery?$SPX

    Other funds F, C, S, and I can be tracked individually via technical analysis charts at finance.yahoo.com.

    After experimenting with the yahoo charts, I have selected their system with variable displays for moving averages, and the parabolic SAR ((P-SAR(stop and reverse)), and for each TSP fund, (individually). This way I can compare various investing options for the F, C, S and I funds.

    For parabolic SAR usage please see:

    http://incrediblecharts.com/technical/parabolic_sar.htm

    Sentiment plays a big picture, especially when you don't have a crystal ball. My thanks to Tom (Tsptalk) and all the members that give (generally good advice), but especially their feelings, good, bad or indifferent. When one of us makes a decision that is maybe not right, you bet, you hear about it! If for nothing else this is a good thing. Because, most of us are government employees, and not (expert) financial advisors.

    Currently I'm at G=25% and F=75% watching F very closely. I'll be on the sidelines (in the hanger), until MA trends are favorable,and the S&P P-SAR, and sentiment(s)indicate a favorable change, one way ot another. To wit until the hurricanes and oil can be resolved the waters of the ecomomy will be unsettled.

    Please be careful out there! :^










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    "How to".... how toset up a fund system for monitoring the market.

    I suggest one (simplified),of probably many, many,and varied systems. The system will hold the TSP and other accounts, and can be customized to your own preference. It uses your computer, minimizes your research time, and gives you a good picture of whats going on out there, but, no crystal ball (sorry).

    In your computer brouser, in Favorites, make a folder i.e., Financial. In Financial make at least 3 sub folders: Market Monitors, My Financials, and Technical Analysis. More can be added later (at your choise).

    In Market Monitors I put all of my monitors, some of the ones I like are: barchart, bigcharts, CBS MarketWatch, CNN Money, Incrediblecharts, Investopedia, LendingTree, Morningstar, Reuters, Stockcharts, TSPMoney, TSPTalk, USAToday Markets, and Yahoo Finance.

    In My Financials I put all account sites, such as the TSP Thrift Savings Plan web site, and other account(s) sites. Note: CBS analysis can place and list all funds in a chart portfolio which is kind of neat if you have other accounts in a portfolio.

    In Technical Analysis (TA),I list all funds (individually) by place and type i.e., "TSP Technical Analysis for C S&P 500 Index $SPX", and each fund has it's own link to a technical analysis chart and information at finance yahoo. C=$SPX, F=AGG, S=^DWCP, I=EFA. To place an analysis chart in the TA folder, lets say-- the F fund (AGG). Go to http://finance.yahoo.com enter symbol AGG and click GO, this will take you to Quotes & Info., click on technical analysis in Charts.Done. Now you can add it to Favorites in Financial/TA.

    The Yahoo Tech. Analysis chart has a lot of variables. You can change ranges, use different types, scales, sizes. Experiment with moving averages, and EMAs. Use different indicators, overlays, and comparisons.

    Do you need individual fund charts and info. Experience has told me, Yes.....They (funds) all react in different ways, i.e., stockcharts/gallery view/ $SPX/ has a very good (complex) chart of the S&P 500. Worth viewing for the C-fund, or general indicators.

    When someone says that they are using EMAs, you can look it up in your monitors (definitions and explainations), test it out on your Yahoo fund chart, and say OH! Thats what a 20 day EMA looks like.

    Hope I've been of help, or at least indicated adirection to provide some useful information. Remember TSP is a do-it-your-self system. We manage our own accounts. Options are to buy and hold, stay in the G-fund (Granny), guess, or try and time investement to minimize loss and increase gains; by buying low and selling high.

    If you find a interesting site, let me know.

    And, please be careful out there.

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    Thanks for the info Spaf!
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    Hi Tom!

    Got a correction: The S&P 500 for Yahoo can be found by symbol ^GSPC, or I believe ^SPX will also work. The Stockcharts site uses $SPX.

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    Spaf wrote:
    "How to".... how to set up a fund system for monitoring the market...
    Very helpful..... Thank you Spaf.

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    Hi C! Where U ben hiding?

    FYI ......One of our members (MT) thinks stocks are bad till about Oct 7th, and the last 2 wks of Oct should be good for the S fund.

    Tom indicated that late September is not a great time historically to be invested, but October is. In his Seasonality chart, the chart indicated for October 14 updays compared to 9 down days.

    The Yahoo P-SAR is indicating a sell on TSP tracked stocks for the last several days, maybe this will change, but who knows?

    We have oil, hurricanes, and some missed earnings, plus a lot of the marketnews is not upbeat. I am going to stay in the hanger with the G and F funds till I see better weather,or someone blows a bugle.:zz

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    Another cycle!

    Are we going into another of these cycles? The last one started about July 5 at about 1146 , hit a low in August 16 at 1060, and then crept up to 1131 on September 21. Peak to peak that took about 78 days, the bounce up to 1131 took 36 days

    The April to July cycle had a low of +-1086, the July to September cycle had a low of 1060. Trending downward, as to where the cycles find resistance to start back upward.

    Are we going to put a brake on the cycles, or are we committed to them? :?

    The market talk for today (9-27)was expressed as: Crude gains and broker bearishness on tech take toll on U.S. stocks.

    Our stock funds are roller coasters! If we don't market time them then we could suffer a loss..... Feburary to date. The bearish trend is not good unless we adjust our fund accordingly. Not a easy thing to do, unless we stay on top of the market, and without a crystal ball, what ever, help is needed (in the short term) and, will greatly be appreciated.

    Thank You! And please continue your talk, be careful out there!







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    Spaf wrote:
    Another cycle!

    Are we going into another of these cycles? The last one started about July 5 at about 1146 , hit a low in August 16 at 1060, and then crept up to 1131 on September 21. Peak to peak that took about 78 days, the bounce up to 1131 took 36 days

    The April to July cycle had a low of +-1086, the July to September cycle had a low of 1060. Trending downward, as to where the cycles find resistance to start back upward.

    Are we going to put a brake on the cycles, or are we committed to them? :?

    The market talk for today (9-27)was expressed as: Crude gains and broker bearishness on tech take toll on U.S. stocks.

    Our stock funds are roller coasters! If we don't market time them then we could suffer a loss..... Feburary to date. The bearish trend is not good unless we adjust our fund accordingly. Not a easy thing to do, unless we stay on top of the market, and without a crystal ball, what ever, help is needed (in the short term) and, will greatly be appreciated.

    Thank You! And please continue your talk, be careful out there!
    If you pay attention to my old system, I'm looking for a pull back in the S fund to at least 12.19. I believe this should happen about mid to late Oct. :^



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    Sorry, but I don't have information on your system ?? [Wouldn't mind seeing it]

    If you think theS fund is headed to 12.19 thats going to be a pretty good reduction (now 12.73). And, mid to late October! Thats going to disapoint a lot of folks. Not to say their predictions!

    However, listening to your advice, I may have to make some improvements (creature comforts) in the hanger. Lets see maybe a bar by the west wall, and a ............


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    I am not a "prohet" neither have a crystal ball to read the future;-)

    but my personalopinion is

    The market will be testing early inOctober the bottoms of August...

    Dow below 9814... perhaps 9771-9971..

    S&P below 1163...

    andC and S Funds below 11.25 and 11.87

    Then I willdrive into and get the ride of the new big cycle drive by

    oil prices with political intentions...

    Debate days seems to be triggers...for swings... and temptationtovery short

    profits;-) Short Term Trend is Down... Long term trend Bullish...

    Leon



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    I PROFIT FROM THE CYCLES... ;-)

    THE GAME IS ALWAYS BUY LOW AND SELL HIGH... ;-)

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    I loved the action today. Unless something wild happens, I still plan to be fully invested for Friday (Thursday transfer). Looks like others jumped the gun today although I kind of expected an up day after looking at the seasonality chart this morning. It's nice to see this stall near the 200-day MA on the S&P 500. As Imentioned the other day, it's anice place for a pullback to end(200-day MA and a 50% fibonacci retracement).

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