Thread: Oil Slick Stuff

Politics are deeply involved in Energy and the subject is appropriate for this thread. We all want to conserve and protect nature but there are times where it is way over done and is harmful to our country and the American people. All I ask of our Representatives is NOT TO BE STUPID, there is way too much of that going and the cause is politics. Common sense is where it's at, it seems that we have lost that somehow.

How about the Okefenokee?
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See that environmental destruction?

that's just the beginning. Doing tar sands will greatly harm the environment up in Canada, and
those getting the oil (big oil, Kock Brothers) won't pay for the repair of what they destroy.

OIl sands only continues the problem of ....giving all our money to other countries, while at the same time destroying the environment.

Yes, we subsidize big oil.

We should be taxing the heck out of big oil, and using the proceeds to develop alternatives.

See http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opi...0,216177.story

I'm not for giving Koch Industries the right to privately put this massive oil pipeline across America, that will only facilitate the continued destruction of America.

If we are going to rely on tar-sands oil, then fine- let's do it this way- let's approve the pipeline, on the tarde off that we tax each barrel of oil which flows through it an additional $10 a barrel. And use that money strictly to develop infrastructure for alternative fuels. CNG stations funded by the tar sands tax. E85 pumps funded by the oil sands tax. Electrical hookups for charging cars funded by the tar sands tax. And then either open up Yucca Mountain to dispose of nuclear waste, or approve some other long-term storage solution. We need to find the long term solution for nuclear.


But at the present, we're just short sighted to "drill baby drill", and "flood tar sands with hot water, flood tar sands", as the only answers. It only postpones the enevitable- and continues to pump our energy money out of the country.

It's a national security problem as well.

By the way, if we had to pay the price for gas and Oil that they pay in Europe it would all be over except the shouting and crying. That can happen tomorrow if the dollar loses the Reserve Currency Status.

No one else wants to be the reserve currency. Not much choice - there are only so many Swiss Francs out there (and their currency is going nuts). Anyone want Euros? Yen? The good thing is China is beginning to allow purchases of the Yuan, much to my surprise - but that's not the same as making the Yuan a reserve currency. The Yuan doesn't have a long enough track record for that to happen. Should we price currencies in SDRs? Only economists care about SDRs. And Middle Eastern countries may be rich, but I don't want to base my currency on any of the choices there.

Petroleum products in Europe are highly taxed. Plus, they are beholden to Russia for Natural Gas - not where you want to be.

Originally Posted by nnuut

Politics are deeply involved in Energy and the subject is appropriate for this thread. We all want to conserve and protect nature but there are times where it is way over done and is harmful to our country and the American people. All I ask of our Representatives is NOT TO BE STUPID, there is way too much of that going and the cause is politics. Common sense is where it's at, it seems that we have lost that somehow.

I agree with this, to an extent. As a "greenie" I also don't want our representatives to be stupid. Furthermore I don't think the regulations are the culprit. Regulations were a response. The only reason we have regulations to begin with is the extractive industries have a history of cavalier rape n' pillage type attitudes toward our natural resources. I'd say that attitude is stupid; a.ka. penny wise, pound foolish.

The government cheaply leases a LOT of land to mineral extraction (is that land "locked up"?) and these private companies keep making record profits. Despite massive profits, as soon as a company is found to be operating w/out regard to regulation (stupid or not), these companies regularly protect themselves from liability via liquidation; e.g Massey Energy sale to Alpha Natural Resources. Were the regulations Massey ignored in Upper Big Branch stupid? The explosion suggests not.
Most of these companies fight regulation tooth and nail spending a boatload of money which costs everyday Americans who simply want a safe/clean society a boatload of money. Mineral Management Service anyone??? These corporate actions , despite their words via massive PR campaigns, indicate their attitudes toward American land and people has not changed. As such, us "greenies" continue to promote regulation. You only need to reinforce something that is ineffective.

A good discussion of the tar sands issue, and the protests happening in DC over it, are here in this link:

http://www.tarsandsaction.org/

So far, more than 500 people have been arrested in protests in DC, and the protests against the pipeline and tar sands are growing.


has representatives of both sides talking about the oil sands issue.

Okefenokee Swamp...don't forget to consider what value you get from the St. Marys and Suwannee Rivers.

I think the Bedouin have it right.

Let's just live like they do and all these issues go away

Originally Posted by James48843

So far, more than 500 people have been arrested in protests in DC, and the protests against the pipeline and tar sands are growing.

It's not news until somebody famous gets arrested:

Daryl Hannah

Originally Posted by Mapper

Spare me











How about single issue short-sighted Americans and Canadians win big. You might think people on investment forum would realize the benefits of preserving capital. It's not about politics, it's about viewing the totality of an issue rather than microcosm.

You don't ween yourself from drugs by deciding to buy from your neighbor in addition to the guy down the street. This is the behavior of an out-of-control addict.

Go hug a tree!

Russian oil teams up with Exxon Mobil

MOSCOW (AP) — Russia's state-owned Rosneft teamed up with U.S. company Exxon Mobil on Tuesday in a multibillion deal to develop offshore oil fields in the Russian Arctic — one of the last regions with immense and untapped hydrocarbon deposits — in return for access to resources in the Gulf of Mexico

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-oil-te...220644579.html