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James48843
07-21-2011, 11:20 AM
Due to Congress failing to pass an extension of the FAA's F&E funding, including the ticket tax, and a disagreement between House and Senate over extension language, it looks like 4,000 FAA employees will be laid off as of close of business tomorrow.


The house version pushed through yesterday has a "poison pill" clause that Senate dems say is unacceptable, and the President has issued a veto message.


FAA employees stuck in the middle, and will be furloughed tomorrow when F&E funding expires, unless an agreement can be reached, and legislation passed in both houses, and is signed by the end of the day tomorrow. Highly unlikely.

Details:
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=48294&oref=todaysnews

nasa1974
07-21-2011, 11:26 AM
Due to Congress failing to pass an extension of the FAA's F&E funding, including the ticket tax, and a disagreement between House and Senate over extension language, it looks like 4,000 FAA employees will be laid off as of close of business tomorrow.


The house version pushed through yesterday has a "poison pill" clause that Senate dems say is unacceptable, and the President has issued a veto message.


FAA employees stuck in the middle, and will be furloughed tomorrow when F&E funding expires, unless an agreement can be reached, and legislation passed in both houses, and is signed by the end of the day tomorrow. Highly unlikely.

Details:
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=48294&oref=todaysnews

Evidently the budget that was passed to avert the government shutdown in April didn't cover everyone. What's up with that?

Warrenlm
07-21-2011, 11:32 AM
Once again the current regime wants a clean extension rather than negotiate savings. Money, no problem.

Obama administration officials urged lawmakers to pass a clean extension of FAA funding to avoid a possible shutdown. "H.R. 2553 includes controversial provisions that, because they have not been negotiated, needlessly threaten critical FAA programs and jeopardize thousands of public and private sector jobs," the Office of Management and Budget (http://get.lingospot.com/link/?@li2=1161&is_lhid=0&key=ZZTFDMCRQN&portal_key=Govex&ps_id=upv4gk2l85&q=QQ:lqOTqjptCQGISBSDPZPORJJOGHAOGSDZVOqptJ:pnCGOq mj_J:pnCSO4aJm8CIZDRA:GIUUKVV&section_key=&site_id=&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftopics.govexec.com%2FOffice%2Bof% 2BManagement%2Band%2BBudget%2F&url_key=_TaCSO0CAP_GHPSAUK&v=1&~boot=1311262106272) said in a statement. "Without timely passage of a clean extension, all of FAA's capital accounts (grants-in-aid for airports, facilities and equipment, and research, engineering and development) would be shut down and approximately 4,000 employees would be furloughed."

alevin
07-21-2011, 11:49 AM
makes me glad I got my plane travel for the year done in the past couple weeks. they may be the first, but likely not the last, the way things are headed.

James48843
07-21-2011, 12:02 PM
Evidently the budget that was passed to avert the government shutdown in April didn't cover everyone. What's up with that?

Some funding for FAA comes from the general discressionary funding passed by Congress. That funding is part of the continuning resolution to keep everyone going till Sept 30.


Other parts of the FAA are funded, in part, from Ticket taxes on airline tickets. That's the part that expires at midnight tomorrow night. The FAA will not have authorization to collect those ticket taxes after tomorrow, and won't have the ability to spend any of that money if there is no authority to collect the taxes.

And that is what is jeoparding 4,000 (Out of about 44,000) FAA jobs effective tomorrow.

tsptalk
07-21-2011, 12:07 PM
This is a little off-topic, but does anyone know what the end of the Space Shuttle program means to NASA employees? nasa1974?
I guess I could Google it. Carry on.

James48843
07-21-2011, 12:36 PM
Space Shuttle program ending means:

In Florida- 2,300 NASA workers to be termianted starting next week. That's in addition to 4,300 already laid off over the last few months as the Shuttle was moved to the launch pad. Source: http://www.jobcutnews.com/2011/06/20/florida-nasa-to-lay-off-an-additional-2300/

In Houston, 2,000 have already been let go, and another 1,000 NASA employees will be let go next week. Source: http://www.2mrealty.com/news/homes-for-rent/nasa-to-lay-off-1000-workers-in-houston-area-2786.php


And Boeing is laying off 510 from the Shuttle Program support.
A Boeing spokesperson relayed that the company has given close to 510 employees in its Space Exploration Division a 60-day layoff notice.

"The notices include an estimated 260 employees in the Houston area, 150 at Kennedy Space Center in Florida and 100 at Boeing's Huntington Beach, California, facility," the Boeing representative recently said. "The last workday for affected employees will be August 5, pending completion of the final space shuttle mission, STS-135."

source: http://www.dailytech.com/Boeing+Issues+Layoff+Notices+as+NASA+Retires+Space +Shuttle+Program/article21838.htm

tsptalk
07-21-2011, 01:22 PM
OK, thanks. I hope it didn't effect anyone here.

nasa1974
07-21-2011, 02:12 PM
Space Shuttle program ending means:

In Florida- 2,300 NASA workers to be termianted starting next week. That's in addition to 4,300 already laid off over the last few months as the Shuttle was moved to the launch pad. Source: http://www.jobcutnews.com/2011/06/20/florida-nasa-to-lay-off-an-additional-2300/

In Houston, 2,000 have already been let go, and another 1,000 NASA employees will be let go next week. Source: http://www.2mrealty.com/news/homes-for-rent/nasa-to-lay-off-1000-workers-in-houston-area-2786.php


And Boeing is laying off 510 from the Shuttle Program support.

source: http://www.dailytech.com/Boeing+Issues+Layoff+Notices+as+NASA+Retires+Space +Shuttle+Program/article21838.htm

I do not believe any federal employees have been let go. The majority of workers at both Kennedy and Johnson are contractors.

nasa1974
07-21-2011, 02:19 PM
The end of the shuttle program also affects people that work for hotels, motels, restaurants, bars and etc.

nnuut
07-21-2011, 02:34 PM
The Jobs numbers next week may suck, plan accordingly! 14575

nasa1974
07-21-2011, 02:39 PM
The Jobs numbers next week may suck, plan accordingly! 14575

It's possible. But they have been talking about these job losses for months.

FAB1
07-21-2011, 03:09 PM
Yeah don't all contractors have to go before a RIF??

Silverbird
07-22-2011, 10:55 AM
There's a reporting lag time on all statistics, including employment numbers, I don't think this will affect next week's numbers unless reporting and compling are amazingly fast.

James48843
07-23-2011, 04:18 AM
That's it. Four thousands officially were laid off as of midnight eastern time at the FAA. Those who had RDO's on Friday will pick up their layoff notices on Monday morning.

You better hope nothing breaks over the weekend- as many of those being laid of are repair technicians funded from F&E funds.

See the lead story on http://www.govexec.com/



Titled "FAA to furlough thousands as Congress fails to provide funding (http://www.tsptalk.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=48324&dcn=todaysnews)

James48843
07-23-2011, 04:51 AM
News release from Professional Aviation Safety Specialist- PASS--the Union that represents many of those laid off tonight:




HOUSE FORCES FAA EMPLOYEE FURLOUGHS
Debate Over Controversial Provisions Prevents Extension of Funding

With members of Congress unable to agree on legislation to extend the FAA's funding authority and Congress adjourning for the weekend, there will be a shutdown of many important FAA programs and the furloughing of approximately 4,000 FAA employees beginning at midnight tonight. The current FAA extension expires today and House and Senate lawmakers have not been able to reach consensus on another extension. In introducing the 21st extension of the FAA reauthorization legislation, House lawmakers included controversial policy changes that had not been agreed to by the Senate. Unlike past extensions, which only included agreed-to language, the most recent House-passed extension (H.R. 2553) included reforms to the Essential Air Service (EAS) program, which subsidizes airlines flying into rural communities.

The House's inclusion of the controversial provisions has resulted in a battle over an extension of funding and spending authority of the Airport and Airway Trust Fund. The Trust Fund consists of the money collected by the federal government from ticket taxes and taxes on aviation fuel. Congress earmarks these funds for facilities and equipment (F&E), research and development (R&D), and airport improvements. It is believed that Rep. John Mica (R-Fla.), chair of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, included the EAS provisions in the extension in order to force Senate agreement on language contained in the House version of the FAA reauthorization legislation (H.R. 658) that overrides the rules followed by the National Mediation Board (NMB) when overseeing elections for aviation and rail industry employees trying to form unions. This language is not included in the Senate version of the bill (S. 223). The provisions in the House-passed extension specifically target the elimination of EAS to locations in the home states of Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee Chairman John Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.).

"This surprise maneuver is a complete reversal from the discussions we have been having for several months, and strongly suggests you have not been negotiating in good faith," said Rockefeller in a letter to Mica. Rockefeller also spoke on the House floor on Thursday and called on Congress to pass an extension free of extraneous provisions. "Yesterday, at the direction of their Leadership, the House passed an extension that, unlike the 20 previous extensions, included changes to FAA policy that have not been agreed to in both chambers," said Rockefeller on Thursday. "This move will shut down the FAA beginning tomorrow at midnight if we do not reach agreement on a sensible path forward to pass a clean FAA extension. The consequences of an FAA shutdown will be severe."
Without an extension of the Trust Fund, the ticket tax and fuel taxes that support the fund can no longer be collected, meaning that there will be no new revenue coming in to the fund. Since the FAA will no longer have the authority to spend Trust Fund money, any employees, programs or contractors that are funded from F&E will be shutdown and all F&E employees would be furloughed until legislation is enacted to restore the FAA's authority to fund and spend from the Trust Fund. This would not apply to employees who are paid from the FAA's operations account, which is funded from both the Trust Fund and the general fund. In addition, vital FAA programs will be put at risk, the FAA will be prevented from moving forward on critical airport projects and improvements, and work will be stopped on major initiatives related to the Next Generation Air Transportation System (NextGen).

PASS joined with other unions representing FAA employees to send a letter to House and Senate leadership urging them to pass an extension of the FAA's authority. Of utmost importance, the letter warned, FAA employees must not be prevented from performing their work due to partisan politics. "These employees provide essential services and perform a variety of functions critical to the safe and efficient operation of the aviation system, including, among others, airport safety planning, NextGen research and testing, airport safety and engineering standards, and administering airport construction project grants," said the letter. "In order to ensure that these employees are able to continue to provide such important services, an FAA extension is imperative."

The administration echoed the concerns expressed by PASS in the letter and expressed frustration with the inability of Congress to pass an extension. "I'm very disappointed that Congress adjourned today without passing a clean extension of the FAA bill," said Department of Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. "Because of their inaction, states and airports won't be able to work on their construction projects, and too many people will have to go without a paycheck. This is no way to run the best aviation system in the world."

"The FAA employees who will be furloughed perform critical work for our nation's aviation system and our economy," echoed FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt. "These are real people with families who do not deserve to be put out of work during these tough economic times."

The debate of the FAA extension has also reinvigorated attention on the overall FAA reauthorization legislation. House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Ranking Member Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.) and Subcommittee on Aviation Ranking Member Jerry Costello (D-Ill.) sent a letter to Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-Ohio) requesting that the leader immediately convene a formal conference to complete work on FAA reauthorization provisions. The Senate, which named conferees earlier this year, has been waiting for the House to name its conferees, a move that has been delayed until an agreement was reached behind the scenes. In accordance with House rules, once conferees have been named, the conference must produce a final report within 20 calendar days (or 10 legislative days) or else the minority party can enforce a motion to instruct on the floor, which could subject the majority party to potentially difficult votes.

"The failure to enact a long-term FAA reauthorization act is costing taxpayers millions of dollars and the nation tens of thousands of good-paying jobs this year," said Rahall and Costello in their letter. "Short term, stop-gap funding authorizations have stymied airport construction, job creation, and the FAA's overall ability to efficiently administer its programs. Multiple FAA extension acts have created uncertainty among local airport officials regarding the total amount of Federal funding available this year for airport construction. The FAA needs the certainty, stability, and direction that a long-term reauthorization act provides. Further, the American public deserves a long-term FAA reauthorization act that will create jobs, improve safety, and modernize our infrastructure."

It is estimated that a partial shutdown of the FAA will allow the agency to operate certain air traffic support services through approximately mid-August. This could result in services to smaller areas being drawn down in the near term in order for the FAA to focus on primary traffic. Regarding the furloughs, PASS is currently working to determine which members are impacted and continuing to work with labor organizations and members of Congress to address the situation. PASS will continue to provide information to all PASS members as it develops.

"Quite simply, it is unconscionable that dedicated FAA employees, who are a critical part of the agency's ability to operate and maintain the safest air navigation system in the world, are being used by the House majority leadership as hostages in a partisan attempt to enact changes to federal policy," said PASS National President Tom Brantley. "PASS strongly urges House majority leaders to pursue such changes through appropriate venues instead of playing games with the safety and efficiency of the aviation system and the livelihood of dedicated FAA employees."

James48843
07-23-2011, 05:28 AM
And this- from the Flight Attendent's Union:


Partial Shutdown of FAA Caused by Republican Lawmakers' Assault on Workers' Rights
WASHINGTON, July 22, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Association of Flight Attendants-CWA (AFA) International President Veda Shook issued the following statement today after House Republicans triggered a partial shutdown of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA):

(Logo: http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20110302/DC58223LOGO )


"Blinded by their hatred for workers' rights, House Republicans have caused a partial shutdown of the FAA resulting in the lay off of 100,000 workers and costing $200 million a week for our nation's economy.

"Our flights will operate but long-term aviation operations will suffer. This will affect our airlines who are involved in mergers as the FAA's ability to move forward on plans for awarding single operating certificates will be delayed. And immediately, this will be devastating for US workers who will lose their jobs.

"The House Republican leadership has been holding the negotiations over this critical funding bill hostage in their single-minded crusade against workers' right to join a union and bargain for a contract. Republicans are disregarding the democratic principle that majority rules – demanding instead that votes not cast be counted as no votes. Not one member of Congress would be in office today if they were held to the same standard in their elections.

"The long-term ripple effects of the shutdown will be felt throughout the country. Employees in the aviation industry could see the results in terms of reduced air travel, as working families in 35 states cope with the financial devastation caused by the widespread job loss.

"This irresponsible and unnecessary partisan posturing is affecting oversight of our aviation system - a system that is relied upon worldwide by the traveling public. The necessary improvements for our airlines and the airports we rely upon will impact our ability to compete on a global scale."

The Association of Flight Attendants is the world's largest Flight Attendant union. Focused 100 percent on Flight Attendant issues, AFA has been the leader in advancing the Flight Attendant profession for over 65 years. Serving as the voice for Flight Attendants in the workplace, in the aviation industry, in the media and on Capitol Hill, AFA has transformed the Flight Attendant profession by raising wages, benefits and working conditions. Nearly 60,000 Flight Attendants at 23 airlines come together to form AFA, part of the 700,000-member strong Communications Workers of America (CWA), AFL-CIO. Visit us at www.afacwa.org (http://www.afacwa.org/).

SOURCE Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, AFL-CIO

Warrenlm
07-23-2011, 10:05 AM
Over on flyertalk.com this day is being recognized on a buying opportunity for airline tickets. Apparently lots of taxes are not being collected today on tickets sold.

alevin
07-23-2011, 10:08 AM
Hmm, maybe I should buy ahead for Thanksgiving time. Will have to think about that.

burrocrat
07-23-2011, 11:01 AM
And this- from the Flight Attendent's Union:
Partial Shutdown of FAA Caused by Republican Lawmakers' Assault on Workers' Rights

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/22/senate-votes-to-set-aside-cut-cap-and-balance-plan-proposed-by-house-gop/


Senate Votes to Set Aside 'Cut, Cap and Balance' Plan Proposed by House GOP


"The Democrat-led Senate's failure to both produce a budget and pass the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act of 2011 underscores the Democrats' irresponsible commitment to the status quo," Sen. John Cornyn (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/john-cornyn.htm#r_src=ramp), R-Texas, said in a statement after voting for the bill. "While the president and Senator Reid refuse to produce a plan to deal with our debt crisis, Republicans will keep working to meet the nation’s fiscal challenges."

I'm cornfused, which donkey are you trying to pin the tail on there cuz? It's ok, you can take the blind fold off now.

Boghie
07-23-2011, 11:17 AM
Armageddon:nuts:

Tax collectors, airline ticket subsidy clerks, auditors, the auditors of the auditors, and a multitude of managers auditing the auditors who also handle the annual performance reviews and approve vacation time are furloughed.

Armageddon.

Is that a plane or superman flying over my house?

Whew.
It didn’t crash.
Even without auditors.

driz
07-23-2011, 06:04 PM
And but it gets better as far as the airlines are concerned. They were saying that when the FAA stops losing the authority to collect their fee as part of the ticket the good airlines are stepping up to pocket the difference. Isn't that a nice gesture for the folks that got the big bail out? That little snippet was on the radio. I do remember from when my wife owned a travel agency that the authority for them to collect that fee, something around $50/ ticket that the original law expired for a period of time. That was in the late 90's or early 2000's and lasted for something like 6 months until they got it reestablished. During that time the money kept coming out of the tickets as usual and take a guess who was pocketing it? That was one of those little "things" that just came and went and no one seemed to notice:rolleyes:.

tsptalk
07-23-2011, 08:11 PM
News release from Professional Aviation Safety Specialist- PASS--the Union that represents many of those laid off tonight:
It looks like that info is password protected on the http://www.passnational.org/ site. Are you sure it is OK to post?

James48843
07-23-2011, 08:17 PM
Yes, Tom- it's ok. It's a news release that has gone to the media outlets, and it's a "legislative update", meaning it is provided as well to members of the PAC. You are right that someone uploaded into a "password protected" area. That's just to keep people from downloading while at work- it's one of those things best read NOT on a government computer. News releases are intentionally released to the public with no copyright reserved. The more places print from it, the better.

James48843
07-25-2011, 05:16 PM
Govexec.com has an excellent article on the 4,000 FAA employees laid off:




Engineers, safety inspectors among thousands furloughed at FAA

By Emily Long elong@govexec.com (elong@govexec.com) July 25, 2011

The implications of a partial shutdown at the Federal Aviation Administration (http://topics.govexec.com/Federal+Aviation+Administration/) were unclear Monday, with nearly 4,000 employees on furlough indefinitely, without the promise of back pay and Congress still unable to agree on funding authorization legislation.

While air traffic controllers have been deemed essential and are continuing to work, employees in other functions throughout the country on Friday were notified of the partial shutdown and told not to show up on Monday.
At FAA headquarters, 870 workers represented by American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees have been furloughed. Affected positions include civil, electronic and aerospace engineers; attorneys; staff assistants; secretaries and aviation safety inspectors. Many employees with similar job functions were not furloughed because the fund used to pay their salaries is still intact, said Bill Chouinard, president of AFSCME Local 1653.

More:

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=48335&dcn=todaysnews

James48843
07-25-2011, 05:20 PM
Press release this morning from the Unions representing the laid off employees:




FAA EMPLOYEES URGE IMMEDIATE ACTION ON FAA FURLOUGHS

WASHINGTON - Today, approximately 4,000 employees at the FAA represented by the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), National Air Traffic Controllers Association (NATCA) and Professional Aviation Safety Specialists (PASS) were prevented from reporting to work and are now faced with an indefinite furlough and the uncertainties that come with sudden job loss.

"AFSCME, NATCA and PASS are deeply concerned about the long-term impact to the men and women who will be unable to earn a living because they are caught in the middle of a congressional battle. Last week, we asked lawmakers to secure swift passage of a clean extension of FAA programs to ensure that FAA employees can continue to provide important services and functions to the agency and prevent delays in FAA modernization projects and initiatives. Today, we reemphasize the need for Congress to pass a clean extension that will get men and women back to work to provide for their families. We also urge Congress to work to pass a full FAA reauthorization bill that will move our National Airspace System forward."


Click here to view the letter (http://www.tsptalk.com/nm2/uploads/1/07-2011_Extension_Letter_w_Mail_Merge__2_.pdf).

#American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), National Air Traffic Controllers Association (NATCA) and Professional Aviation Safety Specialists (PASS), represent over 30,000 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) employees.

James48843
07-26-2011, 04:41 AM
From FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt:



Dear Colleagues,

I would like to update you on the status of our ongoing efforts to end the furlough and get every FAA employee back to work. This afternoon, Congress returns for a week of legislative activity. It’s our hope they will sense the seriousness of our situation and pass a new FAA authorization. Anything short of this is unacceptable.

We want you to know that we are actively engaging the public and local and national media on this issue. Secretary LaHood and I are making calls to mayors across the country to discuss the impact of the furlough in their communities. I was at the White House today, and they are fully engaged in trying to resolve this situation. We will continue to raise awareness of the seriousness of this issue among the American public.

Every day that Congress doesn't pass an FAA bill, our colleagues and workers across the country go without a paycheck. This is absolutely unacceptable. We are stopping work on critical construction projects around the country – they are simply coming to a halt. We are stopping critical research and testing for NextGen and other programs. We need our colleagues back at work.

The taxpayers have entrusted us with operating the safest aviation system in the world. We will keep doing that – we will not compromise safety. But we need an FAA bill in order to give the taxpayers the aviation system this country deserves and takes pride in.

I will continue to do everything I can to get our colleagues back on the job performing the valuable work that we all do together.
Best,
Randy

James48843
07-26-2011, 04:46 AM
The ripple effect of the FAA shutdown:




FAA's partial shutdown hinders 747-8's airport certification
The partial shutdown of the FAA that began midnight Friday means Boeing's new 747-8 freighter jet won't be able to land at five U.S. airports. Boeing says it won't delay the new jumbo jet's entry into service but it may impact first customers Cargolux and Atlas Air.

By Dominic Gates (http://search.nwsource.com/search?searchtype=cq&sort=date&from=ST&byline=Dominic Gates)
Seattle Times aerospace reporter


The U.S. Department of Transportation said Saturday that the partial shutdown of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) that began midnight Friday means the first customers of Boeing's new 747-8 freighter jet won't be approved to land the jet at five U.S. airports.

Boeing spokesman Jim Proulx said, however, that this glitch shouldn't delay the new jumbo jet's entry into service this fall.

The 747-8 is Boeing's largest airplane ever, 18 feet longer than current 747 models and 13 feet wider in wingspan. The FAA has to individually certify all the airports where the plane operates to ensure that it can safely use runways, taxiways, ramps, and gates without hitting objects on the ground or interfering with other traffic.



More on how the FAA shutdown is adversely affecting Boeing Aircraft Co and Boeing's ability to deliver planes to it's customers:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2015710023_boeing24m.html

James48843
07-26-2011, 05:24 PM
House Democrats propose clean extension of FAA funding
By Emily Long elong@govexec.com (elong@govexec.com) July 26, 2011
Democratic lawmakers are calling for an urgent vote on a clean extension of Federal Aviation Administration funding in hopes of bringing 4,000 furloughed employees back to work.


/SNIP...


"The House Republicans have recklessly blown up FAA reauthorization negotiations, while needlessly putting Americans out of work," said Rep. Nick Rahall, D-W.Va. "They have not appointed conferees, they have not done the basic work to resolve the current impasse, and they seem to have no real plan to resolve it going forward other than continuing to inflict pain on working families until they get their way."
FAA is funded both by the Airport and Airways Trust Fund and the Treasury Department. (http://topics.govexec.com/Treasury+Department/) Operations functions, such as air traffic control, are covered by both accounts and will continue despite the shutdown. According to the agency, functions funded solely by trust fund dollars have ceased, and the 4,000 employees paid out of the account, including engineers, safety inspectors and support personnel, have been furloughed (http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=48335&dcn=todaysnews).



more:
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=48348&oref=todaysnews

James48843
07-27-2011, 06:27 PM
FAA Furlough Stretches Into Day 4 With No End In Sight

WASHINGTON -- Nearly 4,000 federal employees (https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=12983) remained temporarily out of work for the fourth day in a row on Tuesday, as Congress appeared no closer to coming to an agreement on legislation reauthorizing the operating budget of the Federal Aviation Administration. Dozens of major construction projects (https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=12983) representing millions of dollars of work have also been halted, putting at risk thousands of construction jobs (http://blog.aflcio.org/2011/07/25/republican-faa-shutdown-costs-4000-jobs-threatens-90000/) and creating potential safety concerns.

While Washington remains focused on the looming deadline to raise the debt ceiling, the professionals responsible for the nation's air safety are wondering when Congress will break its stalemate and move beyond partisan politics to restore their jobs.

"This is a microcosm of the debt ceiling problem," said Robert Challender, president of American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) Local 200. "I've been telling everybody -- this 4,000 people in the FAA is nothing compared to what's going to happen to the federal government if both sides can't agree to extend the debt ceiling."

More partisanship bickering keeping 4,000 FAA workers off the job. Incredible.

More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/faa-furlough-aviation-workers_n_909984.html

James48843
07-28-2011, 07:34 AM
Rep. DeFazio tells it like it is when the republicans have failed to pass legislation to fund the FAA.

FOUR THOUSAND FAA EMPLOYEES ARE NOW WITHOUT JOBS FOR A FIFTH DAY, and projects all over the country employing tens of thousands of private workers are now ground to a halt over the republicans failure to renew FAA's funding.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQTyCnOD36k

Buster
07-28-2011, 08:30 AM
Not to mention the Airlines (except Alaska Air) is ripping travellers off for the difference from the Taxes not being collected right now...in other words, you are paying the same for tickets as if taxes were being collected, but the airlines are pocketing the pure profits.


The People involved in Washington that are responsible for this, should ALL be impeached and or fired...the lousy useless bastards!

I maybe a conservitive with central views on a lot of things..but I am washing my hands of the republican party..they are a bunch of ignorant arrogant scum!

burrocrat
07-28-2011, 09:26 AM
Not to mention the Airlines (except Alaska Air) is ripping travellers off for the difference from the Taxes not being collected right now...in other words, you are paying the same for tickets as if taxes were being collected, but the airlines are pocketing the pure profits.


The People involved in Washington that are responsible for this, should ALL be impeached and or fired...the lousy useless bastards!

I maybe a conservitive with central views on a lot of things..but I am washing my hands of the republican party..they are a bunch of ignorant arrogant scum!

That don't leave you many options then.

And how do you take your tea, sir?

Buster
07-28-2011, 09:45 AM
That don't leave you many options then.

And how do you take your tea, sir?

At this point..Kool-Aid is sounding better all the time....Take your tea and dump it please.

burrocrat
07-28-2011, 09:50 AM
At this point..Kool-Aid is sounding better all the time....Take your tea and dump it please.

You'll take it with a couple lumps, just like everybody else. Sorry, we're out of sugar, sugar. Straight up.

Boo, hoo. I want to go back to my old pretend reality where I thought everything was fine because I already got mine. Sniff sniff, Mommy the mean people are playing politics with the fiat money again.

Buster
07-28-2011, 10:26 AM
You'll take it with a couple lumps, just like everybody else. Sorry, we're out of sugar, sugar. Straight up.

Boo, hoo. I want to go back to my old pretend reality where I thought everything was fine because I already got mine. Sniff sniff, Mommy the mean people are playing politics with the fiat money again.

...just like everybody else???!??..where does that leave you? in a mormon commune, is your last name Smith?

You'd be sucking different air if you were one of those 4000 FAA employees and or one of the 10's of thousands off work because of collateral damage because of this ignorance in Washington...you maybe only be a G band, but at least you're working and can count on a paycheck this week...Hit the streets slick, and see what the real world has to offer you..NOTHING, because that's why your still sucking the hind tit of your Uncle Sam....Need your hypocrite security blanket fluffed?

jpcavin
07-28-2011, 10:38 AM
I think my Friends list is incompatible. :laugh:

clester
07-28-2011, 10:49 AM
...just like everybody else???!??..where does that leave you? in a mormon commune, is your last name Smith?You'd be sucking different air if you were one of those 4000 FAA employees and or one of the 10's of thousands off work because of collateral damage because of this ignorance in Washington...you maybe only be a G band, but at least you're working and can count on a paycheck this week...Hit the streets slick, and see what the real world has to offer you..NOTHING, because that's why your still sucking the hind tit of your Uncle Sam....Need your hypocrite security blanket fluffed?Forget it Buster, he has been brainwashed like the rest of the TEA partyers who think government workers, the poor, and old need to pay the price to get us out of this mess. He probably means what he says and would gladly be a martyr because he thinks he is being patriotic when it's the folks who got us here should pay. Congress, Wall Street, Big banks, and yes the wealthy who made out like bandits during the recession. Instead, they get a free pass.

nnuut
07-28-2011, 10:56 AM
When the going gets tough the cowards leave the herd to be devoured by the wolfs.:cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jXxtQRy47A

Frixxxx
07-28-2011, 03:18 PM
When the going gets tough the cowards leave the herd to be devoured by the wolfs.:cool:
So, when wolves go after the weak and sick it's good for the balance, but when humans do it, it's bad? {/insert TONGUE AND CHEEK SMILIE}

RealMoneyIssues
07-28-2011, 03:36 PM
Sanity missing from this thread. Should have known considering it's topic and the person pushing this thread's agenda...

tisk, tisk, I knew better :nuts:

burrocrat
07-28-2011, 07:39 PM
...just like everybody else???!??..where does that leave you? in a mormon commune, is your last name Smith?

You'd be sucking different air if you were one of those 4000 FAA employees and or one of the 10's of thousands off work because of collateral damage because of this ignorance in Washington...you maybe only be a G band, but at least you're working and can count on a paycheck this week...Hit the streets slick, and see what the real world has to offer you..NOTHING, because that's why your still sucking the hind tit of your Uncle Sam....Need your hypocrite security blanket fluffed?


Forget it Buster, he has been brainwashed like the rest of the TEA partyers who think government workers, the poor, and old need to pay the price to get us out of this mess. He probably means what he says and would gladly be a martyr because he thinks he is being patriotic when it's the folks who got us here should pay. Congress, Wall Street, Big banks, and yes the wealthy who made out like bandits during the recession. Instead, they get a free pass.

Au contraire mon frčres,

I was going to look up ad hominem on the google but I don’t think I’d find any better examples.

For the record, I tried the commune thing, but the line for the bad girls was too long and the nice girls were a dime a dozen, not my style, and last name is not Smith, thanks for asking.

About that furlough thing, the last time the issue came up recently I had 3 job offers lined up before they called it off and I had to come in to work that next Monday morning. I wish I’d gotten the chance to get out of the office for a couple of weeks while they actually worked on the budget problems instead of playing kick the can, maybe we wouldn’t be here now.

I currently am employed as a part time hired hand in addition to my day job, mainly as a way to put food in the freezer and involve my family in the country lifestyle since I’m not one of the landed gentry. And I’m putting in some good wheel time to get my CDL. Next step will be to upgrade to hazmat endorsement as an oil field services backup play, they rockin the bakken you know. Small matter to re-up welding certs if necessary.

I choose to work for the government because I believe and take pride in the mission I support and I like the people I work for (U.S. taxpayers). I am thankful for my ‘only’ G band. Although I’ll admit it’s much easier and better for the family thing too, and I’m getting old. But I guarandamtee you if I were to get furloughed today I will be working tomorrow. Suck that air.

It’s not my job, I didn’t do it, someone else should fix it. In the non-gov positions I’ve worked that attitude will get someone hurt and/or cost the employer money. Those types usually evolve themselves out of job rather quickly. If you see a problem, get on it, now, and debate about how to avoid the same situation from occurring again later. In my limited fed experience, the ‘not me’ attitude seems to be more prevalent, and more successful.

Life changes, promises get broken, things need fixed, get used to it. Pointing fingers about who should get the job done does not get the job done. I would gladly give up my spot at the table if it contributed to a reasonable, sustainable solution for my child to grow up with the opportunity to live in a free and great nation.

Maybe it’s a generational thing. It has always amazed me how folks who profess to willing diversify their investments begin shaking in their boots at the thought of having to diversify their careers. I know I didn’t pay that much attention in school so it must have been the quality of the math and civics instructors, but I realized early on that this was not going to pencil out in the long run, yet here we are still running.

I believe I am independently in control of my faculties, and I assure you I am not brainwashed, although it is a little dirty and could use a good cleaning from time to time. I am also quite happy with the security blanket I’ve stitched for myself, but I could always use a good fluffer. If you’re looking to pick up some side cash I’ve got a job for you.

James48843
07-28-2011, 07:45 PM
Meanwhile, partisanship continues to smack down Sally Secretary over at FAA, who has been without employment for a week now. She really is wondering what will happen if this bickering continues much longer. She has mouths to feed, you know.



"Among the PASS members impacted by the furlough are a single mother who has worked for the FAA for over 24 years who is already struggling to make ends meet; an engineering technician responsible for installation projects from Maine to Puerto Rico who is considering filing for unemployment if the furlough continues; and an aviation safety assistant who works with inspectors on special instrument procedures who calls the furlough ‘completely unexpected' and had to file for unemployment.

"These are real people suffering real hardships and the fact that their jobs have been taken away in this troubled economy due to controversial provisions in the House-passed FAA extension is beyond disturbing. Above all, these FAA employees want to return to work. They want to continue in their efforts to protect and promote the safe and efficient operation of this country's aviation system.


Stuck in the middle- the good working people who make up the United States government.

http://www.newsmgr.com/nm2/publish/pressrelease/PASS-APPLAUDS-LEGISLATION-TO-SECURE-PAY-FOR-FURLOUGHED-FAA-EMPLOYEES.shtml

clester
07-28-2011, 07:53 PM
I'm glad you think so highly of yourself and your abilities. So, I got mine or can get mine somewhere else, so I really don't care about the rest of you? Real nice!


Such arrogance.

clester
07-28-2011, 07:56 PM
Meanwhile, partisanship continues to smack down Sally Secretary over at FAA, who has been without employment for a week now. She really is wondering what will happen if this bickering continues much longer. She has mouths to feed, you know. Stuck in the middle- the good working people who make up the United States government. http://www.newsmgr.com/nm2/publish/pressrelease/PASS-APPLAUDS-LEGISLATION-TO-SECURE-PAY-FOR-FURLOUGHED-FAA-EMPLOYEES.shtmlThanks for putting a real face on the situation.

burrocrat
07-28-2011, 07:58 PM
Meanwhile, partisanship continues to smack down Sally Secretary over at FAA, who has been without employment for a week now. She really is wondering what will happen if this bickering continues much longer. She has mouths to feed, you know.

Stuck in the middle- the good working people who make up the United States government.

http://www.newsmgr.com/nm2/publish/pressrelease/PASS-APPLAUDS-LEGISLATION-TO-SECURE-PAY-FOR-FURLOUGHED-FAA-EMPLOYEES.shtml

Silly Sally and First Clown were strolling in the forest, and amazed to watch a squirrel flit up and down the trees in a frenzy to haul nuts back to it's cache, how odd they thought, the nuts will always be there to collect for free later.

Suddenly, the squirrel turned and bolted up his leg.

Silly Sally laughed and laughed because she knew he didn't have any.

burrocrat
07-28-2011, 07:59 PM
see what you want to see. i was trying to provide an example of another way things can be done. thanks for giving it some thought.

nasa1974
07-28-2011, 08:25 PM
Alright everybody. Conversation has gotten off track. Stop making it about you and remember the thread is about the FAA employees. Stop throwing barbs at each other.

Buster
07-28-2011, 08:57 PM
About that furlough thing, the last time the issue came up recently I had 3 job offers lined up before they called it off and I had to come in to work that next Monday morning. I wish I’d gotten the chance to get out of the office for a couple of weeks while they actually worked on the budget problems instead of playing kick the can, maybe we wouldn’t be here now.

I currently am employed as a part time hired hand in addition to my day job, mainly as a way to put food in the freezer and involve my family in the country lifestyle since I’m not one of the landed gentry. And I’m putting in some good wheel time to get my CDL. Next step will be to upgrade to hazmat endorsement as an oil field services backup play, they rockin the bakken you know. Small matter to re-up welding certs if necessary.

I choose to work for the government because I believe and take pride in the mission I support and I like the people I work for (U.S. taxpayers). I am thankful for my ‘only’ G band. Although I’ll admit it’s much easier and better for the family thing too, and I’m getting old. But I guarandamtee you if I were to get furloughed today I will be working tomorrow. Suck that air.

http://www.rowox.com/Images/Good_Morning/images/yawn_good_morning.jpg

nnuut
07-29-2011, 08:46 AM
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James48843
07-30-2011, 05:44 PM
federal news radio-

"When Federal Employees get F*#%@ed."


When Feds Get F%*^#*%ed

July 28, 2011 - 11:10am


Depending on how the debt ceiling issue is settled - or not - furloughs could be just around the corner for hundreds of thousands of federal workers. If so, how would they work and are you ready? Would it be a dreamy surprise mid-summer dream or a pre-back-to-school nightmare?

(snip)
...
Last week approximately 4,000 FAA employees were told that because of an unrelated funding dispute in Congress, their services were no longer needed for the time being.

As one reader/listener put it, "...aren't all 4,000 feds, plus any contractors caught up in the mess entitled to unemployment benefits? And if the federal government furloughs more workers and contractors if an agreement is not met on the debt limit issue, wouldn't they be entitled to unemployment benefits as well, thus shoving a HUGE financial burden onto the states? I'm surprised I haven't seen anything in the media about this...I would think he states would be quite concerned..." - L. P.



So when will they be ordered back to work? Does the furlough have any impact on their health insurance coverage, their 401(k) plan. Can they apply for unemployment benefits? Will they get back pay when they finally return to work? Are you next?



a good read.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?sid=2471426

burrocrat
07-30-2011, 07:03 PM
federal news radio-

"When Federal Employees get F*#%@ed."

As one reader/listener put it, "...aren't all 4,000 feds, plus any contractors caught up in the mess entitled to unemployment benefits? And if the federal government furloughs more workers and contractors if an agreement is not met on the debt limit issue, wouldn't they be entitled to unemployment benefits as well, thus shoving a HUGE financial burden onto the states? I'm surprised I haven't seen anything in the media about this...I would think he states would be quite concerned..." - L. P.

a good read.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?sid=2471426

How do states plan to deal with the debt ceiling troubles?

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_1994cb2e-ba70-11e0-9628-001cc4c002e0.html

The Democratic governor announced Thursday that the state ended the fiscal year with a $340 million surplus, making Montana one of eight states not facing a shortfall ... I don't see a lot of legislative will to borrow any money or do anything to fund the entitlement programs

http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/26/news/economy/debt_ceiling_california/index.htm

Eight major financial institutions, including Goldman Sachs (GS (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=GS&source=story_quote_link), Fortune 500 (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2011/snapshots/10777.html?source=story_f500_link)) and Wells Fargo (WFC (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=WFC&source=story_quote_link), Fortune 500 (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2011/snapshots/2578.html?source=story_f500_link)), put up the funds, which will help the state with its daily cash flow needs. Also, the money will cover California in case the federal government delays payments for services such as health care and transportation ... Lockyer plans to issue the debt eventually and use the proceeds to pay off the bridge loan.

Hey everybody, let's all move out to that new state GoldmanFargonia, I hear they pay you for not working.

James48843
07-30-2011, 07:46 PM
"They will make on time and in full the payments to debt holders, and we believe that they will make on time and in full the payments to Social Security recipients. Beyond that, it's very difficult to say that anybody will be paid on time and in full," Bell said. "If I were a federal worker, I would be concerned that I would not get paid."


Bell also has a reminder to federal workers that unlike a continuing resolution, in which employees can be designated as essential, that distinction does not exist in this instance.



"We're in uncharted territory, and I would think most of the assumptions people are making about 'Am I essential, am I non-essential?' are pretty irrelevant when they start having to make this priority decision list," Bell said.


"If it goes on two or three weeks, in my view, there will be substantially more than 50 percent of the civilian workforce in the federal government laid off because that's the only remaining money," Bell said.

More:
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=15&sid=2474285

burrocrat
07-30-2011, 07:49 PM
whew, i could use some spare time, i thought they were going to make us work for free.

Boghie
07-30-2011, 11:29 PM
About a thousand (25% of the furloughed jobs) of the furloughed jobs are located in Washington D.C.. How many D.C. jobs are essential to the mission of the FAA nationwide?

A large reason for stopping the funding was an insistance to fund a Federal subsidy for small-town airports (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/faa-furlough-aviation-workers_n_909984.html):

The House bill also curtails a federal subsidy program that provides commercial air service to small-town airports. The program was created in 1978 after airline deregulation, with an expected 10-year life span. Three presidents — Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush — later targeted it for elimination, but it has been extended by Congress and now costs about $163 million a year.
There has been a bi-partisan effort to cut that program for two decades. Cut them. I don't want to pay a thousand dollars per ticket to fly someone anywhere.

The other major reason for CongressCritter Mica's poison pill was to slow down the unionization of FAA personel. Certainly the 1000 persons in the high rent district known as Washington D.C. must be unionized. Otherwise, they will be forced to dig cancer causing coal from ten mile deep mines. They will be oppressed government employees. See em' now. Even now, even when they are furloughed, their task masters are whipping them for 18 hour days sewing underwear in China. Oh, the humanity. What a joke.

And, when America didn't rise in anger, FedExec tells us that some of these folks are (http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0711/072511l1.htm):

Affected positions include civil, electronic and aerospace engineers; attorneys; staff assistants; secretaries and aviation safety inspectors.

Nearly 50 medical, engineering and facilities workers

engineering and electronics technicians, computer and logistics specialists and support staff
BTW, I love the use of engineering. What type? Medical? And, do these critical folk tasked to support the unfunded earmark in question?

This funding HAS NOT been authorized since 2007.

Folks THIS IS AN EARMARK:)


By the way, the city of San Diego has stated that their airport modernization project will be uneffected. How is that?

James48843
07-31-2011, 03:24 AM
By the way, the city of San Diego has stated that their airport modernization project will be uneffected. How is that?

City of San Diego airport modernization is unaffected, because they haven't yet submitting a request to be paid for it. As soon as they do, they will learn that there is no money, and so they will not be able to pay their contractors. Hundreds of projects around the country are in the same boat. You'll hear their airport officials say things like "FAA hasn't told us to stop, so we'll continue with our project unaffected. "

Truth is the FAA hasn't told them to stop, because the person responsible for telling them to stop isn't there anymore. When they request to get paid, they'll find out when the check doesn't come.

Warrenlm
07-31-2011, 09:02 AM
When the dust settles, federal employees will be paid retroactively for their time off and contractors will receive equitable upward adjustments, without even having to go into dispute. But meanwhile, a lot of breathless 'sky is falling' is all that some people know how to contribute, in addition to taking OPM. Just like it serves other evil people's inner self to alarm 85 year old grandmas about their social security check. Evil, not tactics, just evil.

clester
07-31-2011, 10:29 AM
Holding a gun to the country's head and threatening to shoot is immoral and evil.

Buster
07-31-2011, 10:30 AM
When the dust settles, federal employees will be paid retroactively for their time off and contractors will receive equitable upward adjustments, without even having to go into dispute. But meanwhile, a lot of breathless 'sky is falling' is all that some people know how to contribute, in addition to taking OPM. Just like it serves other evil people's inner self to alarm 85 year old grandmas about their social security check. Evil, not tactics, just evil.

Sad but true..some people here just thrive on gloom and doom..Good points and reps to you.

burrocrat
07-31-2011, 10:51 AM
Spending our nation into destruction and ruin is immoral and evil.

Buster
07-31-2011, 01:17 PM
Spending our nation into destruction and ruin is immoral and evil.How is that happening?..show where this country can do without Roads Bridges, defense, regulatons and law and order...quit spewing factless 'save the world' so I can live in my mud hut diatribe.

Boghie
07-31-2011, 02:42 PM
Oh, my...

You guys are defending Congressman Murtha's most notorious earmark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Murtha_Johnstown-Cambria_County_Airport) - The infamous 'Essential Air Service' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_Air_Service) program.

This garbage hasn't been funded via authorization for four years. If we cannot unfund a dead and corrupt Congressman's favorite earmark how are we ever going to pay for the welfare state? This pig funds the Ted Stevens Airport to nowhere (http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories/072911/loc_fsiwp.shtml) as well. Oink, oink.

Looks like a turd, smells like a turd, splats like a turd - IT IS A TURD!!!

Dudes (or Gals), this parrot is dead. Sponsor a wake.

Please, give his earmarks a breather:p

They are old and tired.



By the way James, I don't think the San Diego airport gets the Murtha Earmark. Pigs at the trough. Don't forget that the author of 'Pigs at the Trough' (the one and only Arianna Huffington) paid a whopping $700 in state tax on an income of $4 Million back in 2003 - when she was dumb enough to run for gubinator of Kalifornea. Her Federal tax forms also were quite aggressive. Yuk, yuk...

clester
07-31-2011, 03:13 PM
Spending our nation into destruction and ruin is immoral and evil.

I agree but don't shoot yourself in the foot to spite your face.

clester
07-31-2011, 03:19 PM
I remember how republicans whined about Rom Emanual's quote about not letting a crisis go to waste. Now, they just created one and aren't letting it go to waste and then say let us fix it, while they hold a gun to your head.

But it's ok if they do it. Hypocrites. Btw, democrats are no better.

Boghie
07-31-2011, 03:35 PM
Come on guys...

Congressman Murtha is in Earmark Heaven.

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He no longer cares about mundane earmarks here on earth.

The more I look into this fiasco the more funny it gets. These employees have been funded by earmarks (Only!) since 2007. If your job is funded by earmarks than you might consider it to be a bit less safe than other gubmint jobs. I guess this snuck up on them.

I hate to see folks lose their jobs. But, if these gubmint employees are actually engineers, doctors, and laywers - as is incestantly stated - than my guess is that they can land on their feet.

Boghie
07-31-2011, 04:38 PM
Federal Earmarks Never Die

The Champions of the 'Essential Air Service' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_Air_Service) Earmark may no longer be with us

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But, their progeny is...

Every earmark is sacred (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8):p

burrocrat
07-31-2011, 05:46 PM
Ok, so this is a thread about FAA folks, not the debt cieling fiasco, but they seem to be connected. I will withdraw budget commentary out of respect. If I may, a closing remark;

quit spending, 'no', quit spending, 'no', clu-click quit spending, 'geez, we were going to quit spending, you didn't have to go holding a gun to our heads'.

everybody it's this simple: spend less than you earn. didn't your momma teach you nothing?

so we each got a choice, listen to your momma, or trust the congress critters.

not many of us will get a chance to break bread with a member of congress, but the next time you are at the supper with your mother be sure to let her know what you think of her advice.

James48843
07-31-2011, 06:13 PM
You all totally miss the point.

This destruction of FAA Employees has nothing to do with saving money. It has nothing to do with balancing the budget. In fact, the republicans have INCREASED, not decreased the debt, as a result of their actions.

Read this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/opinion/28thu2.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

If they were interested in balancing- they would not have let the appropriations lapse. They aren't. They are interested in destroying the American worker. THAT is what this is all about. About destroying the ability of the American worker to form a Union.


That is what this is all about.

Boghie
07-31-2011, 06:30 PM
James,

This pig has been funded ONLY by earmarks since 2007.

In 2007 the House was controlled by Democrats and the Senate was controlled by Democrats. Even budget unconscious Democrats didn't fund this pig.

IT IS AN EARMARK.
IT IS AN EARMARK FROM A DEAD GUY.
IT IS ACTUALLY AN EARMARK FROM TWO DEAD GUYS.
THOSE BLOATED PIGS ARE DEAD, LONG LIVE THEIR EARMARKS.

To fund the rest of it all that has to happen is that the earmark dies an inglorious death and all the lawyers and engineers mentioned in the articles don't get to super easily form into a white collar union.

If we cannot defund a dead politicians earmark where are we to find the money to feed the poor?

James48843
07-31-2011, 06:52 PM
The fight has nothing to do with the earmarks.

This is all about breaking the ability of Unions to form. Congressman Mica put the language defunding EAS into the bill, in order to blackmail and extract concessions from Senate Democrats to accept language changing Unionization rules.

If you don't understand that, then you are ignorant of the real power play going on over this FAA bill. It isn't about Essential Air Service. It's all about breaking Unions.

ONE MORE TIME LET ME EXPLAIN IT:

The Obama Administration last year, supported a change to a labor organizing rule. Due to the rules dating back to pre-world-war II, airline workers had different rules for organizing than everyone else. The National Mediation Board (NMB), until last year, had had the policy that when it came to Union elections, that someone NOT VOTING was counted as a NO VOTE. Companies were notorious for instilling threats and fear to their employees, saying if they voted, they would be fired. So many employees did not vote due to fear and intimidation.

Last year, the NMB changed their interpretation, and said from now on, they would count the votes for airline workers just like any other Union election held under other laws. From now on, they would count ONLY THE VOTES ACTUALLY CAST. If the majority of votes cast were in favor of Unionization, then NMB would certify the unit.
It made one-man-one vote the rule.

Here is Piedmont Airlines worker and union organizer Abdur Dilal speaks to CWA convention. Piedmont is the first group to utilize the new interpretation. If they had been under the old laws, then they would not be a Union today.

Three thousand baggage handlers and passenger service agents at Piedmont Airlines, based in Charlotte, N.C. and Phila., Pa., voted "Union, yes!" last year after the federal National Mediation Board remedied a rule that favored employers.

Instead of counting the votes cast in a union election and allowing the majority to rule, the NMB counted all the workers in a bargaining unit whether they voted or not. That meant a "stay at home" vote was then counted as a "No."

The Obama administration NMB remedied the blatant pro-employer bias in the Railway Labor Act, which regulates labor relations in the nation's railroads and airlines, in July 2010.

And these workers finally have a say in their place of work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cufuNWXuZg4

Congressman John Mica, and the republicans, are trying to change this. They have written into the regular FAA reauthorization bill, language which would GUT those workers rights, and put the rule back to the old anti-worker way. THIS Is what the fight is about. Mica then stuck that anti-EAS language into the continuing bill, in order to FORCE his will on the backs of workers who have voted for a Union.

THIS is why 4,000 Federal Aviation Administration workers are now unemployed. It has NOTHING to do with EAS, except that makes it LOOK like the fight is over spending.

It's not. If it were over spending, then why would they blow $200 million a week in lost tax revenue?

WAKE UP- It's attacks on workers- the little guys. That is the blood MICA is after.

Boghie
07-31-2011, 07:29 PM
James,

We can meet far more than halfway. I will huzzah in the streets. Actually, I'm more complacent.

I have looked more closely (using your link and others off it) and determined that we are talking not about unionizing Federal white collar workers - but instead private blue collar workers. This is probably biased, but it is at least clear (http://labornotes.org/2011/07/republicans-shut-down-aviation-agency-over-union-election-rules) (which is far more than I can say for other sources):


The old NMB rules counted everyone who didn’t vote as a “no” vote, translating apathy or inattention into anti-union votes.

The new rules bring voting into line with other private sector and federal government union voting rules, where the majority of ballots wins.

The rule change has made a difference in some cases. Voting under the new rules, 2,800 fleet and passenger service workers for regional carrier Piedmont Airlines easily won representation last November with the Communication Workers (CWA).I don't think Federal white collar tax collection specialists, engineers, lawyers, etc. should unionize. But I have no problem with private sector blue collar unions. And, all collective bargaining should be treated the same.

Here is my more than halfway spot:

Cut the whole 'Essential Air Service' program.
Allow equal unionization rights to airline/railroad personel.
Fund the FAA only through the proper authorization process.


BTW, equal unionization rights must respect 'right to work' legeslation as well.

James48843
08-01-2011, 11:23 PM
Congress is going to leave town, leaving 4,000 FAA workers, and some 70,000 private sector construction workers OUT OF A JOB FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT MONTH.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/01/1001957/-Congress-leaves-town-without-reopeningtheFAA?via=blog_1

Sad, sad day for America.

James48843
08-02-2011, 01:24 AM
Meanwhile, 40 FAA Airport Inspectors are continuing their jobs WITHOUT PAY,and are having to pay their own travel expenses, because there is no money to either pay them, or pay their expenses.



According to FAA Deputy Administrator Michael Huerta, 40 airport safety inspectors still are on the job but are paying travel and work-related expenses out of their own pockets. Inspectors would have been furloughed, but were deemed excepted because of their safety responsibilities, he said, adding that they will be reimbursed when Congress passes an extension.

I think that's an awful lot to ask of an employee, don't you think? Especially an un-paid one.

CONGRESS--- PUT THEM BACK TO WORK.

More: http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=48407&oref=todaysnews

James48843
08-02-2011, 01:36 AM
"We've completely shut down the NextGen operation," Randy Babbitt, FAA Administrator said. "That's come to a complete halt." Additionally, construction and modernization projects at airports nationwide have been sidelined, he said, putting as many as 70,000 construction workers out of a job. Replacing aging equipment and research projects have also taken a hit, he said.

...

Babbitt was quick to lay blame at the feet of a squabbling Congress, which has previously approved 20 short-term FAA funding measures without incident.
"This is a political fight," he said. "And if people want to have a political fight, they should go rent a ring, get in it and have it. But to take 4,000 innocent FAA employees and literally tens of thousands of construction workers and put them out of work, I find just unconscionable."


The funding breakdown is surprising, Babbitt said, because for years FAA has been one of the last preserves of bipartisanship in a divided Washington."And for some reason, we lost that compass heading on this one," he said.

More at Federal News Radio-
http://federalnewsradio.com/?nid=35&sid=2474363

James48843
08-02-2011, 06:28 AM
Senate plan to end FAA shutdown falls apart


WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans late Monday blocked a bipartisan Senate plan to end the partial shutdown of the Federal Aviation Administration, making it increasingly likely Congress will be unable to resolve the legislative standoff before September.

Having resolved the federal debt crisis, Congress is expected to leave at the end of the week for its August recess. If that happens, lost revenue from uncollected airline ticket taxes could exceed $1.2 billion before lawmakers return to work a month later, senators said. The Democratic-controlled Senate and the Republican-controlled House are at odds over proposals to cut rural air service subsidies and to change a federal labor rule to make it more difficult for airline workers to unionize. Unable to resolve their differences, the FAA's operating authority was allowed to expire at midnight on July 22.

On Monday, Sens. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., chairman of the committee that oversees the FAA, and Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas, the senior Republican on the committee, floated a proposal to restore full operating authority to the FAA while cutting air service subsidies $71 million. The plan fell apart when Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., said he would use parliamentary procedures to tie up the Senate in an effort to prevent a vote on the measure.




See? It's NOT about the money of the Essential Air Service Program. Republicans don't care about the money, or they would have taken the deal.

No- It's about the republicans preventing American workers from having the opportunity to form Unions. And the republicans are now willing to let a BILLION dollars in lost tax revenue, and the jobs of 4,000 Federal Aviation Administration employees, and 70,000 private construction workers go by the wayside, all for their republican purity anti-labor stance.

More:
http://news.yahoo.com/senate-plan-end-faa-shutdown-falls-apart-233254352.html

Show-me
08-02-2011, 06:34 AM
Change you can believe in!

nasa1974
08-02-2011, 07:18 AM
Congress is going to leave town, leaving 4,000 FAA workers, and some 70,000 private sector construction workers OUT OF A JOB FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT MONTH.

14762

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/01/1001957/-Congress-leaves-town-without-reopeningtheFAA?via=blog_1

Sad, sad day for America.

Even more reason to vote these folks out of office when they come up for re-election.

Here in Cleveland they have been doing a lot of construction work on one of the runways at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. I noticed yesterday that construction is still going on.

James48843
08-02-2011, 07:48 AM
From FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt:


Colleagues,
 
We are in our tenth day of FAA employee furloughs and project stoppages. Secretary LaHood and I have not stopped our outreach efforts to raise public awareness and convince Congress to pass an FAA extension before they go home for their August vacation. It would simply be unacceptable for members to leave Washington when our employees and thousands of construction workers are off the job.

I was at LaGuardia Airport today for a press conference (https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=12986) with Secretary LaHood, furloughed FAA employees, labor leaders and local construction workers. We had to stop work on the $6 million project to demolish the old LaGuardia tower because we were forced to furlough the FAA employees who oversaw the project. The contractor for the project talked about how tough this was for the workers, his company and him personally. He said in his 28 years in the construction business, he had never seen anything like this.

I can’t tell you how touched I was to see so many furloughed FAA employees show up to the LaGuardia event. They embody the dedication and professionalism that is the FAA. Secretary LaHood and I assured them we are doing everything possible to get them back to work. We will work nonstop until this happens. I also highlighted the financial challenges that the lack of an authorization poses for the limited number of safety-critical staff who are excepted from the furlough, such as the need for airport safety inspectors to incur travel costs without knowing when the government will be able to reimburse them.

I know a number of you may be receiving questions from your furloughed colleagues about issues such as unemployment benefits, health insurance, and outside employment. I would like to highlight the FAA Furlough Information page (https://employees.faa.gov/news/focusfaa/story/index.cfm?newsId=64217) that is regularly updated with new information, including the answers to many of these questions.

Ending this furlough and passing an FAA reauthorization is our number one priority, and I know it weighs heavily on your minds too. Our message is clear, Congress should pass an FAA bill before getting on airplanes and flying home for their August vacation - anything less would be unconscionable.

Thank you again for your patience and your overwhelming concern and support for your furloughed colleagues.

Best-

Randy

RealMoneyIssues
08-02-2011, 08:35 AM
You all totally miss the point.

This destruction of FAA Employees has nothing to do with saving money. It has nothing to do with balancing the budget. In fact, the republicans have INCREASED, not decreased the debt, as a result of their actions.

Read this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/opinion/28thu2.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

If they were interested in balancing- they would not have let the appropriations lapse. They aren't. They are interested in destroying the American worker. THAT is what this is all about. About destroying the ability of the American worker to form a Union.


That is what this is all about.

Unions Rock !!!

James48843
08-02-2011, 09:26 AM
At LaGuardia and airports across America, construction workers clamor for Congress to give them back their jobs

Last week began with the hustle and bustle of any other work week at New York's LaGuardia Airport–except among the workers hired to demolish the old air traffic control tower. Luca Toscano of Paul Scariano, Inc., had to deliver a painful message to his 40 employees: "Congress didn’t do its job. So, you are barred from doing yours."

At airports across America, the same story has been taking place. With unemployment in the construction sector running in the double digits, Congress' failure to reauthorize the Federal Aviation Administration forced the FAA to issue stop-work orders on dozens of control tower construction projects already underway.

http://usdotblog.typepad.com/.a/6a00e551eea4f58834014e8a4c25ba970d-500wi (http://usdotblog.typepad.com/.a/6a00e551eea4f58834014e8a4c25ba970d-popup)
Meeting with workers at LaGuardia



More :
http://fastlane.dot.gov/2011/08/laguardia.html

Khotso
08-02-2011, 09:49 AM
More :
http://fastlane.dot.gov/2011/08/laguardia.html

You rock James!

James48843
08-02-2011, 12:12 PM
Sickening Simply sickening.


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/08/01/faa.funding.impasse/index.html



But on the Senate floor Monday evening, senators argued over an issue they said was the real subject of the dispute -- new National Mediation Board rules that make it easier for airlines to unionize. Democrats favor the new rules; Republicans oppose them.
Rockefeller decried Mica's tactics of sticking policy issues in a funding extension bill, and blamed Mica for "sticking it to" the nearly 4,000 furloughed FAA employees.

"It's a tragedy that never had to happen," Rockefeller said. "It's a tragedy about ego, about bullying, about proving that one side is willing to cave," he said.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, defended Mica's bill, saying he shared Mica's frustration about operating FAA through a series of 20 temporary funding bills, instead of a permanent bill. Hatch said Congress needed to take a stand against the mediation board rules.

Just sickening.

James48843
08-02-2011, 01:50 PM
LaHood: FAA funding failure has 'enormous' ripple effects

By Althea Fung National Journal (http://www.nationaljournal.com/) August 2, 2011
With the debt deal almost shored up, Congress has dashed off to enjoy the summer sun. But what about the Federal Aviation Administration? (http://topics.govexec.com/Federal+Aviation+Administration/)

For more than 10 days now, the FAA has been limited in its ability to do its work after both chambers of Congress failed to agree (http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/house-to-leave-faa-in-limbo-20110801) on an extension of funding for the reauthorization bill that expired in 2007 and has been temporarily extended 20 times since.

Without the reauthorization, the FAA has put about 4,000 employees on unpaid leave and is unable to collect taxes on airline tickets. Analysts estimate the government is losing $200 million a week in airline revenue because of the shutdown, according to Consumer Reports (http://news.consumerreports.org/money/2011/07/airline-ticket-taxes-faa-reauthorization.html).


More than $277 Million lost tax income so far, and 75,000 people thrown out of a job.

More:
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=48414&oref=todaysnews

Viva_La_Migra
08-02-2011, 03:01 PM
You all totally miss the point.

This destruction of FAA Employees has nothing to do with saving money. It has nothing to do with balancing the budget. In fact, the republicans have INCREASED, not decreased the debt, as a result of their actions.

Read this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/opinion/28thu2.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

If they were interested in balancing- they would not have let the appropriations lapse. They aren't. They are interested in destroying the American worker. THAT is what this is all about. About destroying the ability of the American worker to form a Union.


That is what this is all about.

By the same token, the Democrats only care about their union campaign contributors. If they cared about these people earning a paycheck, they'd agree to fund the program. The truth is, they want their campaign money. The unions provide that, but they can't give more unless they have more union dues paying members.

FAB1
08-02-2011, 03:11 PM
I agree with Viva. Paying union dues is no different than giving money to the D-party. What was one of the first things Obama did in office, raise the minimum wage. Looks like a nice thing to do but it was Union payback as their wages are based of a formula on the MW. When it goes up so does their pay and more dues into the D-system. Nice game ya got going there. ya Crooks.

RealMoneyIssues
08-02-2011, 03:56 PM
I agree with Viva. Paying union dues is no different than giving money to the D-party. What was one of the first things Obama did in office, raise the minimum wage. Looks like a nice thing to do but it was Union payback as their wages are based of a formula on the MW. When it goes up so does their pay and more dues into the D-system. Nice game ya got going there. ya Crooks.

Unions Rock !!

James48843
08-02-2011, 04:12 PM
List of "STOP WORK" orders issued so far:


http://www.faa.gov/news/media/workstop/

FAA Stop Work Orders that have been issued



| Updated: 1:40 pm ET August 2, 2011




Jacobs Engineering

California, Oregon, Texas, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, D.C., Florida, Minnesota, Illinois, Virginia

Architect & engineering, construction for en route centers and combined en route and approach facilities

$370,000,000



Reliant Contractors

Greenville, MS

Construction of remote communications air-ground facility

$97,500



Flintco, Inc.

Gulf Port, MS

Tower construction

$11,845,620



Daniel J. Keating Co.

Wilkes Barre, PA

Tower construction

$14,721,356



Paul J. Scariano Inc

New York

Demolition of LGA tower

$6,324,387



Sheckler Contracting, Inc.

Leesburg, VA

Roof replacement at en route center

$363,000



Nationwide Construction Group

PA, NY

Construction, physical security

$718,000



M&M Enterprises

Dulles, VA

Fence construction

$56,000



Jones Morgan Inc

Rochester, NY

Construction

$346,000



Boykin Contracting Inc

Greenwood, MS

Construction

$56,000



KOBO Utility & Electric

Hyannis, MA

Construction of Precision Approach Path Indicator lights

$37,000



Flintco, Inc.

Memphis, TN

Tower construction

$55,953,326



Patriot Electric Inc

Providence, RI

Fire alarm, construction

$237,000



Standard Builders Inc

Memphis, TN

Painting

$18,000



Corinthian

Warrenton, VA

Construction of new Command Center

$24,338,718



6K Systems Inc.

Burlington, MA

Computer services

$234,000



Chappy Corp.

Baltimore, MD

Site preparation for installation of BWI ASDE-X

$2,279,576



AKAL Security Inc.

Baltimore, MD

BWI ASDE-X

$91,500



Limbach Co. Inc.

Oakdale, PA

Boiler, construction

$205,000



Construction and Service Solutions

Rochester, NY

Roof construction

$316,000



Peachtree Mechanical Inc

VA

Construction at Washington en route center

$631,000



Sheckler Contracting Inc.

NY

Construction at JFK tower

$155,000



S&E Services, Inc.

Garden City, NY

Construct a catwalk in NY TRACON

$1,781,000



Limbach Company LLC

Pittsburg, PA

Plumbing, construction

$175,000



CUSA Consulting Corp.

Erie, PA

Fire life safety, construction

$112,000



Postier & Jaeckle Inc.

Rochester, NY

Construction

$27,000







(MORE)

James48843
08-02-2011, 04:14 PM
STOP WORK ORDERS:



Peachtree Mechanical Inc

VA

Construction at Washington en route center

$631,000



Sheckler Contracting Inc.

NY

Construction at JFK tower

$155,000



S&E Services, Inc.

Garden City, NY

Construct a catwalk in NY TRACON

$1,781,000



Limbach Company LLC

Pittsburg, PA

Plumbing, construction

$175,000



CUSA Consulting Corp.

Erie, PA

Fire life safety, construction

$112,000



Postier & Jaeckle Inc.

Rochester, NY

Construction

$27,000



Petersen-Dean Inc.

Jacksonville FL

Construction at Jacksonville en route center

$55,000



Marathon Electric Inc.

Memphis, TN

Construction at Memphis en route center

$88,500



Moulison North Corp.

Portland, ME

Electrical project

$9,000



Cornerstone Construction Services

Lawrence, MA

Roof construction

$47,000



Pine Tree Elevator

Portland, ME

Elevator project

$163,000



CGMC Building Corp.

Poughkeepsie, NY & Danbury, CT

Seismic upgrade

$488,000



Prow’ess Construction Corp.

Lawrence, MA

Facility modernization Construction

$123,700



Atlantic Defense Contractor

Portland, ME

Seismic upgrade

$935,000



Synthesis Inc.

Ronkonkoma, NY

Drain project

$10,000



McKercher Corp.

Miami, FL

Electric project, construction

$133,900



Synthesis Inc.

Ronkonkoma, NY

Construction upgrade

$256,700



CMGC Building Corp.

Nashua, NH

Mechanical room construction

$88,500



LVI Services

New York, NY

Construction

$1,100,000



Security Construction Services

Nashua, NH

Construction, attic rehab.

$4,670,000



Peachtree Specialty Group

Atlanta, GA

Construction at Atlanta en route center

$133,900



Louis Berger & Associates

New York

Asbestos removal, construction

$168,500



TJB Air Conditioning and Heating

19 Terminal Doppler Weather Radar facilities

HVAC renovations

$1,030,000



Swinterton Builders

Palm Springs, CA

Construction of tower

$14,229,775



Devon Construction, Inc.

Oakland, CA

Construction of tower

$31,000,304



Cobalt Construct.

Palmdale, CA

Construction(86% complete), modernization of 2d floor of automation wing and control floor, attic

$12,146,449



Bara Infoware

Sacramento, CA

Replace roof and visitor entrance wall panels at Tracon

$759,567



E Corp

Auburn, WA

2d floor automation wing

$2,294,220



Ahtna Engineering Services LLC

Bethel, AK

Airport Approach and Runway Entrance Lights installation

$843,816



Archer Western Contractors

Las Vegas, NV

Construction of new tower

$43,429,116



Imperial Construction Weatherford TX

Houston, TX

Construction of replacement TRACON

$25,085,257



Imperial Construction Weatherford TX

Chicago, IL

Parking lot replacement at en route center

$1,500,000



Skanska

Kalamazoo, MI

Construct new tower

$14,422,975



Skanska

GFK

Install new radio transmitter receiver

$848,500



Skanska

Walnut Ridge, AR

Install new Medium-Intensity Approach Lighting System for runway

$587,000

James48843
08-02-2011, 04:15 PM
STOP WORK ORDERS:




Concept Solutions, LLC
Reston, VA
Business Management Support for Joint Planning and Development Office
$1,447,999


CGH Technologies, Inc.
Washington, DC
Various projects per Work Order. Support for Aeronautical Information Management (AIM) Obstruction Evaluation
$54,075,701.00


CGH Technologies, Inc.
Washington, DC
Various projects per Work Order. Current WO for development support for Airports Geographic Information System
$54,075,701.00


Network Designs, Inc. (NDI)
Vienna, VA
Security Engineering Support for FAA's Alaska Flight Service Modernization (AFSM) Program.
$914,961.54


Lockheed Martin
Washington, DC
Program Management Support for ATO Technical Operations
$233,000


AST Eng
Multiple locations
ERAM support services will be halted at all locations except Seattle and Salt Lake City
$3.5M


Science Applications International
Las Vegas, Minneapolis, Dulles, Charlotte, Chicago O’Hare, Ft. Lauderdale, Newark, LaGuardia, Phoenix, Houston, Seattle, Los Angeles
Engineering support for runway status lights
$37M


Sensis Corp
Las Vegas, Minneapolis, Dulles, Charlotte, Chicago O’Hare, Ft. Lauderdale, Newark, LaGuardia, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Houston, Seattle, Los Angeles
Runway Status Lights
$214M


Sensis
Multiple locations
ASDE-X
$390M


SAIC
Multiple locations
ASDE-X Program Management Office (PMO) Support
$104M


Arcon Corporation
Multiple locations
Terminal Automation IV&V
$14.1M


Regulus Corp **
Multiple locations
Terminal Surveillance Special Technical
$31.8M


Boeing
Multiple locations
Future Air Navigation System Interoperability Team (FIT) Program
$200k


Lockheed Martin **
Multiple locations
HOST Sustainment
$619M


L3 Communications **
Multiple locations
Oceanic Integrated Services (OIS) Contract
$57.5M


TASC **
Multiple locations
TAC2
$384M


Apptis **
Multiple locations
ATO-Terminal Support Services
$20.6M


MCR **
Multiple locations
ATO-T Support Services
$25M


TASC/NG **
Multiple locations
ATO-T Support Services
$21.8M


SAIC **
Multiple locations
ATO-T Support Services
$21.1M


ITT **
Multiple locations
ATO-T Support Services
$34.3M


Technology Service Corp **
Multiple locations
Radar Support System
$1.7M


A3 **
Multiple locations
ATO-T Support Services
$3.7M


Enterprise **
Multiple locations
ATO-T Support Services
$2M


S&K **
Multiple locations
ATO-T Support Services
$2.9M


JMA Group
Washington, DC
Support to Aeronautical Information Management (AIM) Office
$3M


CNA Group
Alexandria, VA
Analysis, Systems Engineering and Operations Research for the AIM Office
$6.2M


Jacobs Facilities Group, Inc
ZOA Modernize
Curtain Wall Replacement and Mod. 4 Renovation
$5,838,000


Jacobs Facilities Group, Inc
ZHU Admin Wing
Administration Wing Renovation
$6,960,000


Jacobs Facilities Group, Inc
San Juan CERAP
Seismic Upgrade
$11,500,000


Jacobs Facilities Group, Inc
ZJX Curtain Wall
Curtain Wall Replacement
$1,770,000


Jacobs Facilities Group, Inc
ZDC Curtain Wall
Curtain Wall Replacement
$2,530,000


Jacobs Facilities Group, Inc
ZAU Curtain Wall
Curtain Wall Replacement
$2,200,000


Jacobs Facilities Group, Inc
ZMP Major Mechanical
Major Mechanical Upgrade
$6,230,000


Jacobs Project Mgmt Co
LiHue ATCT, HI
Seismic Modernization Upgrade
$3,700,000


Jacobs Project Mgmt Co
Livermore ATCT, CA
Seismic Modernization
$505,000


Jacobs Project Mgmt Co
Palo Alto ATCT, CA
Seismic Modernization
$479,000


Jacobs Project Mgmt Co
Santa Maria ATCT, CA
Seismic Modernization
$497,000


Jacobs Project Mgmt Co
Anchorage ATCT, AK
Seismic Modernization
$563,000


Jacobs Project Mgmt Co
Salem ATCT, OR
Seismic Modernization
$340,000


Jacobs Project Mgmt Co
Hillsboro ATCT, OR
Seismic Modernization
$140,000


Jacobs Engineering Group
BACNet Upgrade
BACNet Upgrade
$900,000


The Matthwews Group
ARTCC Miami
Major Mechanical & Seismic Upgrade
$4,200,000


Belfour Beatty
ARTCC Jacksonville
Major Mechanical & Seismic Upgrade
$8,800,000


Jacobs Engineering Group
NextGen
NextGen Facilities Design and Prototype
$9,800,000


RW Armstrong
San Juan CERAP
Major Mechanical
$4,200,000


Burton Construction
ARTCC Denver
Piping Upgrade
$250,000


Burton Construction
Guam CERAP
FY12 Consolidated Projects
$700,000


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Abilene, TX
Work Release 156 - ABI LOC
$386,000


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Abilene, TX
Work Release160 - NEXCOM Radio Replacement
$1,007,032


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Abilene, TX
Work Release 164 - ABQ FAA Telecommunications Infrastructure (FTI)/ Microwave Links
$235,600


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Abilene, TX
Work Release 179 - Abilene ATCT
$430,000


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Abilene, TX
Work Release 194 - NEXCOM Abilene RTR Relocation
$210,000


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Dallas Fort Worth
Work Release 167 - NEXCOM Radio Replacement
$1,096,066


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Hobby Field
Work Release 176 - Hobby Remote Transmitter/Receiver (RTR)
$268,987


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Houston, TX
Work Release 178 I90 TRACON
$1,000,000


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Alamogordo, TX
Work Release 185 - NEXCOM
$325,927


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Alamogordo, TX
Work Release 187 - Fiber Optics Transmission System (FOTS) Engineering
$400,018


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
San Antonio, TX
Work Release 188 - Relocation of San Antonio (SAT) Backup Emergency Communications Systems to Stinson Field (SSF) RTR
$124,914


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
San Antonio, TX
Work Release 193 - NEXCOM
$103,127


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Beaumont, TX
Work Release 199 - NEXCOM Beaumont RTR
$68,664


Parsons Infrastructure & Technology Group
Woodford, CT
Work Release CT-11-0128 HVAC Modifications F Mills
$1,003,784

James48843
08-02-2011, 04:19 PM
Just some of the jobs lost as a result of the bullying by right-wingers.

James48843
08-02-2011, 04:21 PM
Since 2007, lawmakers have been unable to reach agreement on a broad measure to finance the Federal Aviation Administration, so they have passed 20 temporary ‘extensions.’ Yes, you read that correctly. Twenty. But, as of 10 days ago, Congress couldn't even agree on another extension. Compromise […] can't come soon enough. Like spoiled children, members of Congress have stamped their feet and scored their points while other people pay for their inaction. If the lawmakers were back in school, they'd deserve to be in the time-out corner.”
--USA Today, August 2, 2011

“The FAA is “another victim of partisan politics in Congress... And here we are. A prolonged halt to needed airport modernization is not in the country’s interest.”
--Washington Post, July 26, 2011

“Now Congress has managed to bring much of the Federal Aviation Administration to a standstill… locally, needed expansion and resurfacing projects at Orlando's two commercial airports could atrophy mirroring the inertia of Republican and Democratic congressional leaders who can't — or won't — move their way around the labor issues and subsidies for rural airports that separate them. Pathetic.”
--Orlando Sentinel, July 27, 2011


“The F.A.A. has also had to furlough some 4,000 workers. Needed airport construction projects — to maintain runways, build new traffic control towers and upgrade other facilities — have been halted across the country. The only good news is that the air traffic control system is still working because traffic controllers are paid from the Aviation Trust Fund, which still has a positive balance.”
--New York Times, July 27, 2011

“At a time when jobs are scarce and the construction industry is ailing, this is the worst time possible for a halt in funding…The real problem is Congress’ inability to iron out partisan disputes, a failure of governance at the most basic level…These are serious issues, but surely reasonable lawmakers can come to an agreement without shutting down a vital government agency.”
--Miami Herald, July 27, 2011


“The way the FAA shutdown has come about is anything but good government. And it could damage the fragile economic recovery… Federal lawmakers need to step up and continue funding for the agency.”
--The Denver Post, July 28, 2011

“Americans are frustrated with our congressional representation, and holding the world's best air travel system hostage magnifies just how inept and ineffective Washington has become.”
--Charleston Daily Mail, July 26, 2011

“One of the greatest strengths of the U.S. economy has long been its transportation system… But how much longer will that be true if petty political differences can't even be put aside long enough to keep an agency that is critical to that system on the job?”
--Reno Gazette Journal, July 26, 2011

“Congress’ failure to act and pass a short-term extension is preventing critical improvement projects from getting off the ground – projects that support and create good-paying jobs in Colorado and across the country.”
--The Denver Post, July 28, 2011

“Failure to pass a clean extension bill is needlessly putting Americans out of work in a fragile economy.”
--The Sacramento Bee, July 29, 2011

“Pass an extension, and get to work on negotiations for a new, long-term FAA authorization. Failure to make a deal represents nothing less than a failure to govern. Yeah, we know ... what else is new?”
-- The Herald, July 28, 2011

“…It is simply outrageous that members of Congress would put an ideological argument above the important work the FAA does… And how, as our nation sluggishly continues to try to recover from the recession, can you throw 4,000 FAA employees, and an unknown number of contractors, out of work? They are all just victims of the current political climate, where an inability to compromise has become an inability to govern.”
--Press of Atlantic City, July 29, 2011

Just some of "What they are saying".
http://www.dot.gov/affairs/2011/dot9811.html

James48843
08-02-2011, 08:07 PM
Reid Says FAA Shutdown Will Continue; Blames House, Delta Airlines (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/08/02/138936549/reid-says-faa-shutdown-will-continue-blames-house-delta-airlines) Categories: Business (http://www.npr.org/templates/archives/archive.php?thingId=127747535), National News (http://www.npr.org/templates/archives/archive.php?thingId=127602855)

05:16 pm
August 2, 2011



by Bill Chappell (http://www.npr.org/people/14562108/bill-chappell)


http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/08/02/faa_tower_custom.jpg?t=1312319356&s=3 Enlarge Justin Sullivan/Getty Images Construction equipment sits idle in front of the half-completed new control tower at Oakland International Airport. Thousands of construction workers on aviation projects have stopped work, as a standoff over funding of the FAA continues.





The Federal Aviation Administration has been in a partial shutdown mode since July 22. And Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says the shutdown will continue, with some 4,000 federal workers remaining on furlough.


"It'll be closed until... maybe not September, maybe more than that," he tells All Things Considered co-host Michele Norris.



An AP story reports that the "Senate continues to object to legislation approved by the House to fully fund the FAA. The bill includes cuts to certain subsidies for rural air service." But Reid says the problem actually lies with one airline: Delta.



"The House has tried to make this a battle over essential air service," he says. "It's not a battle over essential air service. It's a battle over Delta Airlines, who refuses to allow votes under the new rules that have been passed by the NLRB [National Labor Relations Board]." The issue, Reid says, is Delta's "non-union" stance. The bill to fund the FAA, as crafted by House Republicans, includes language that sets new rules for aviation workers' votes on labor representation.



More: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/08/02/138936549/reid-says-faa-shutdown-will-continue-blames-house-delta-airlines

Boghie
08-02-2011, 10:07 PM
James,

You and the articles seem to state that airline workers find it hard to unionize. After reading everything posted it sounded real.

However, airline workers are always going on strike. I know the mechanics at my uncle's airline were unionized. He had great pension benefits till the airline collapsed. And, not even one day after you convinced me that airline workers could not unionize I noticed that a bunch of 'em went on strike.

These goobers strike all the time.

Sensei
08-03-2011, 01:21 AM
I wish the stewardesses on United Airlines would go on strike.

James48843
08-03-2011, 05:04 AM
James,

You and the articles seem to state that airline workers find it hard to unionize. After reading everything posted it sounded real.

However, airline workers are always going on strike. I know the mechanics at my uncle's airline were unionized. He had great pension benefits till the airline collapsed. And, not even one day after you convinced me that airline workers could not unionize I noticed that a bunch of 'em went on strike.

These goobers strike all the time.

Until last year, Airline workers had a much more difficult job of forming Unions than other types of workers. If you were a truck driver or a manufacturing worker, then you only needed 50% plus one of the people voting in the Union election. But if you were an airline worker (or a railroad worker, by the way), then you needed to get 50% plus one of all the workers there are, NOT just the ones casting ballots. It had been that way since the 1940's, when the National Railway Labor Act made it more difficult for those workers to form a Union . Yes, some airlines DO have Unions, but not all.

And please don't call American workers "goobers". "goober" is n offensive term referring to those from the south, especially Georgia or Arkansas. Delta Airlines workers in Atlanta might be "goobers", but the majority of airline workers are not. http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/goober?region=us

Show-me
08-03-2011, 06:47 AM
Just like the left-wing health care reform bullies.

James48843
08-03-2011, 08:13 AM
Some Federal Aviation Administration employees will foot the bill for work-related expenses -- including airfare and hotel rooms -- for weeks without pay if lawmakers fail to pass legislation extending the agency's funding.

Nearly 4,000 FAA (http://topics.govexec.com/faa/) employees have been on furlough since July 22 after Congress failed to pass a stopgap bill to prevent a partial shutdown. In addition, 40 airport safety inspectors still are on the job but are paying travel and work-related expenses (http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=48407&oref=todaysnews) out of their own pockets. These inspectors would have been furloughed, but were deemed excepted because of their safety responsibilities. According to FAA, these employees are using their own credit cards to cover costs related to flying or driving to inspection sites around the country and they are not receiving their paychecks. They will be reimbursed when Congress passes an extension.

"It shows you the dedication these folks have," FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt told reporters Tuesday. "We're relying on their professional attitudes and professional pride to continue the work they're doing, but it's simply outrageous for us to ask them to carry the burden of hotel rooms and airline tickets. But you know what? They're doing it."

Would you continue working, without pay, and putting the work related expenses on your personal credit card, if your employer laid you off, and Congress told you that you weren't worth holding a vote about before going on summer vacation?

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=48422&dcn=todaysnews

Warrenlm
08-03-2011, 09:31 AM
I wish the stewardesses on United Airlines would go on strike.

Especially the 40 year vets on the transpac flights? :)

Warrenlm
08-03-2011, 09:34 AM
Would you continue working, without pay, and putting the work related expenses on your personal credit card, if your employer laid you off, and Congress told you that you weren't worth holding a vote about before going on summer vacation?

Technical question for the lawyer. What authority was used to "deem them excepted" yet was not sufficient to be able to pay them (and reimburse expenses). With regard to the expenses I thought everyone used the govt cards and depended on claim reimbursement, which comes later. Are they really using their own Visas or is that part of the "story" of awfulness? :)

Silverbird
08-03-2011, 10:24 AM
I half-listened to Joe Scarborough this morning, there was a long segment on the FAA mess. During that report, he mentioned that FAA aircraft inspectors have to work even though they aren't going to get a paycheck, and they have to use their own personal credit card for travel and related expenses.

Next is the the FY 2012 budget, folks, to be fought after Labor Day since Congress is on recess until then. By the way, none of the Budget Bills have found their way to the Floor. The Continuing Resolution bill will star as the next Drama King/Queen/Jester - there's going to be another round of hot air coming out of Congress if things go the way they've been going.

James48843
08-03-2011, 10:27 AM
...With regard to the expenses I thought everyone used the govt cards and depended on claim reimbursement, which comes later. Are they really using their own Visas or is that part of the "story" of awfulness? :)

Yes, you are legally required to use the government contractor issued charge card. However, at the moment, there is no legal authority to use the card, therefore, if they use the contracor issued charge card, they would be in violation of the law, so they can't. Besides- the contractor-issued charge card is NOT the property of the government, it is a card that is issued to an employee personally, and is the debt obligation of the employee, not the employer. IN short, if you default (where have we heard that word default before??) the credit card company comes after the INDIVIDUAL, not the government.

And individual employees do not have the 14th Amendment saying the full faith and credit of the individual shall not be questioned.



14th Amendment, section 4: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

James48843
08-03-2011, 11:25 PM
Message tonight:


This is PASS National President Tom Brantley with a broadcast message for August 3, 2011.

Since our last message on congressional feuding over another extension of FAA funding, several significant things have happened. The most crucial change is that around 4,000 FAA employees have been furloughed. Approximately 350 of those employees are represented by PASS.

Incredibly, Congress decided to begin their summer vacations early, with the House recessing on Monday and the Senate following suit on Tuesday. While Congress was scheduled to work through the rest of this week, congressional “leadership” apparently feels that working to resolve their differences and end the partial FAA shutdown was not worth their time when weighed against an early exit to vacation. I suspect they would feel differently if they or their own staff employees were put out of work for at least six weeks.

Worst of all, Republican leadership continues to portray the quarrel between the House and Senate as a dispute over funding for the Essential Air Service (EAS) program. Despite the public posturing, these claims couldn’t be further from the truth. This fight is also not about funding the FAA in general or balancing the federal budget. This fight is about House Republicans attacking unions through the legislative process when they have lost the ability to do so through the executive branch. Since Republicans are no longer in the White House, they cannot force federal agencies such as the National Mediation Board (NMB) to establish rules to make it harder for unions to organize. As such, they are attempting to enact changes within the executive branch through legislation dealing with the FAA. This unprecedented backdoor assault is a shameful way for Republicans to subvert the legislative process and use it as a weapon to force an extreme ideology on the American people. Even more disturbing, House Republicans have chosen to promote their agenda on the backs of about 4,000 FAA employees and an estimated 70,000 construction workers around the country who were forced to stop working on airport projects when funding was no longer available.

Here are the facts regarding the House’s chosen method of getting their way:


Congress has passed 20 consecutive temporary funding measures since the FAA’s authorization expired in 2007. It was not until the current 21st extension that House Republicans decided to go after the EAS program.



The changes to the EAS program proposed by House Republicans were designed to target three particular areas: Nevada, home of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid; West Virginia, home of Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller; and Montana, home of Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus.



Speaking at an American Association of Airport Executives conference in July, Rep. John Mica, chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, assured airport executives that the House provision is a bargaining chip to gain concession on changes to NMB rules covering union organizing elections. Mica was quoted as saying, “It’s just a tool to try to motivate some action to get this resolved,” and that if the NMB provision were resolved, “the rest can fall into place within 20 minutes.”



The FAA is losing about $30 million a day it normally takes in on airline ticket sales. With the FAA remaining unfunded through September 7, which is when Congress is due to return from vacation, the FAA will lose more than $1 billion in revenue.

These actions by a Congress that is supposed to work for the American people, rather than the CEOs of anti-union airlines, cannot go unchallenged. Over the coming days, every PASS member must weigh in and be heard on behalf of our Brothers and Sisters who have become the target of the House Republicans’ assault on unions. We must make it clear to Congress that any party’s political dogma must not become more important than the continued safety and efficiency of our nation’s air traffic control system. We must also make clear that using hard-working Americans as leverage in bargaining over legislation is cowardly and disgraceful and has no place in conducting the business of the American people.

We will need every PASS member to take the time to contact their representative and senators and tell them that Congress must PASS an FAA extension bill now! We must tell them that failure to do so will cause increasing harm to furloughed employees with every day that passes, and that modernization of the National Airspace System will remain on hold until they correct this offensive abuse of authority. Members of Congress must uphold their duty to put the welfare of America before their party’s political agenda.

We will very shortly send out specific information, continuing until FAA funding is restored, giving specific guidance on contacting your members of congress. We will ask our chapter leaders and representatives around the country to help spread the word and mobilize every member to take an active role in fighting for our Brothers and Sisters whose ability to support their families is being held hostage to partisan politics. When you receive this information, please follow our recommendation and make your voice heard!

PASS will continue to use every path available to ensure that this travesty sees the light of day and that Congress is held accountable for this disgraceful attempt to use the welfare of hard-working FAA employees to hide a partisan political agenda. We will look for every opportunity to share our message with the public and the news media around the country until Congress acts responsibly and passes an FAA extension. We ask that every member support our efforts as they unfold.

PASS will also continue to pass along any information that is made available to help furloughed employees during this crisis. It is vital that every resource that can help furloughed employees, no matter how small it may seem, be shared with them.

While PASS does not have a fund established for members who are not receiving a paycheck due to congressional irresponsibility, we will quickly find out what legal restrictions, if any, there are to PASS’s ability to help impacted members. I ask furloughed members who truly need help to send a statement to me at the PASS national office describing the impact the furlough is having on you or family, and I will work with the PASS Executive Board to offer whatever assistance that PASS can.

PASS will continue the fight until every member has returned to work and Congress does everything possible to restore what has been lost by furloughed employees.

James48843
08-03-2011, 11:29 PM
FAA EMPLOYEE UNIONS ASK CONGRESS TO PASS FAA EXTENSION NOW
Calls on Congress to Return to Capitol Hill to Act Now


WASHINGTON, DC - Today, the unions representing the approximately 4,000 furloughed FAA employees expressed disappointment that Congress was unable to pass an extension of FAA funding prior to recessing. The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE), American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), National Air Traffic Controllers Association (NATCA), and Professional Aviation Safety Specialists (PASS) released the following statement regarding the continued furloughs and partial shutdown of the FAA:

"We are extremely frustrated and discouraged that members of Congress have left Washington for recess without passing an FAA extension. If the FAA continues on partial shutdown for the month of August, it will lose $1.5 billion in revenue. Every day this impasse continues is another day that major airport projects are delayed and work is stopped on important Next Generation Air Transportation System (NextGen) initiatives. Included among projects and programs impacted are long-term runway safety initiatives, NextGen air traffic control research and testing, modernization of control towers and other aviation infrastructure, and weather research.


"Of utmost concern, this shutdown is putting thousands of critical employees out of work. Nearly 4,000 FAA employees have been forced to go without a paycheck for almost two weeks. These employees provide essential services and perform a variety of functions critical to the safe and efficient operation of the aviation system. In addition, due to the FAA having to issue dozens of stop-work orders, 70,000 construction workers nationwide are without employment. These employees and their families have been suffering for weeks now. This suffering cannot continue another day, let alone another month.


"AFGE, AFSCME, NATCA and PASS ask members of Congress to pass an FAA extension immediately. The air traffic control system cannot wait and neither can the families of the thousands of impacted employees across the nation. To protect this country's aviation system and secure jobs throughout the country, Congress must act now."

#

American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE), American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), National Air Traffic Controllers Association (NATCA) and Professional Aviation Safety Specialists (PASS), represent over 30,000 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) employees.


http://www.newsmgr.com/nm2/publish/pressrelease/FAA-EMPLOYEE-UNIONS-ASK-CONGRESS-TO-PASS-FAA-EXTENSION-NOW.shtml

burrocrat
08-03-2011, 11:35 PM
We will very shortly send out specific information, continuing until FAA funding is restored, giving specific guidance on contacting your members of congress. We will ask our chapter leaders and representatives around the country to help spread the word and mobilize every member to take an active role in fighting for our Brothers and Sisters whose ability to support their families is being held hostage to partisan politics. When you receive this information, please follow our recommendation and make your voice heard!

So was I supposed to be getting some kind of secret message or something here soon? I've been listening but I only hear static?

And where was I supposed to stash the decoder ring again?

Cornfused.

James48843
08-04-2011, 05:33 AM
Senator Boxer joined Senate and House Democrats to support a clean reauthorization of the Federal Aviation Administration, which would end a Republican FAA shutdown that is hurting thousands of American workers.

She said among other things: "They made up this crisis because they want to get their way on a number of issues."

"It is time that the put the interest of jobs ahead of their own petty agenda....This is government by hostage taking....This is government by threat."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibpRblw5Vsg

James48843
08-04-2011, 06:50 AM
Update


Dear Colleagues,

As you by now know, the United States Congress has adjourned for its August recess without meeting its responsibilities to reauthorize the Federal Aviation Administration and put 4,000 of our coworkers back on the job.

This astonishing failure is outrageous and disappointing. It causes significant hardship for many members of our DOT and FAA family. And although the situation has reached a stalemate, we want to assure you: We will not give up our fight for a solution until our team is back at full strength. Our supporters in Congress are working diligently to find a fix, too.

Many of you have asked how you can help our colleagues that are out of work. The Federal Employee Education and Assistance (FEEA) Fund stands ready to assist FAA employees who are furloughed. You can donate money to this recognized CFC charity and our colleagues in need can apply for emergency no-interest loans of up to $1,000. Be sure to designate your gift under the "FAA Relief Fund." For more information about the charity, or to apply for a loan, visit the FEEA website: http://www.feea.org/gethelp (http://www.feea.org/GETHELP).

Many of you also have asked if the FAA will be forced to do a reduction-in-force, or RIF, should the furlough go longer than 30 days. You can be assured that this will not happen. Unlike other furlough situations under OPM regulations, this furlough results from Congress’ failure to extend the FAA’s authorization; it was not initiated by the Agency to save money. Therefore, this furlough will not be converted to a RIF.

Please know that President Obama joins us in thanking you for your exceptional dedication and your ongoing patience. Each of you is essential. Each of you plays an essential role in our department and for the American people.

We will continue to provide regular updates as circumstances evolve.


Secretary Ray LaHood

Administrator Randy Babbitt

nasa1974
08-04-2011, 07:03 AM
From what I have heard one of the other issues is that the republicans want to stop partially funding the airlines for flying into smaller cities that would not normally have commercial air traffic.

jkenjohnson
08-04-2011, 07:09 AM
Senator Boxer joined Senate and House Democrats to support a clean reauthorization of the Federal Aviation Administration, which would end a Republican FAA shutdown that is hurting thousands of American workers.

She said among other things: "They made up this crisis because they want to get their way on a number of issues."

"It is time that the put the interest of jobs ahead of their own petty agenda....This is government by hostage taking....This is government by threat."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibpRblw5Vsg

I wish we could fire every damn member of the house and senate and start over. They are a bunch of self serving hipocrits. Every time I see one of them on TV it makes me sick.

nasa1974
08-04-2011, 07:22 AM
I wish we could fire every damn member of the house and senate and start over. They are a bunch of self serving hipocrits. Every time I see one of them on TV it makes me sick.

We can, it’s called the ballot box. Talk to all your friends and relatives so that any of the incumbents get voted out when they come up for re-election. If they are running unopposed for their party then you have to vote for the other guy or gal.

clester
08-04-2011, 07:31 AM
This is all about political payback. Unions support dems. Just like in Wisconsin and the teachers. All the issues here can be boiled down to this. The elections will be interesting and the stakes are high.

Warrenlm
08-04-2011, 09:36 AM
Speaking at an American Association of Airport Executives conference in July, Rep. John Mica, chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, assured airport executives that the House provision is a bargaining chip to gain concession on changes to NMB rules covering union organizing elections. Mica was quoted as saying, “It’s just a tool to try to motivate some action to get this resolved,” and that if the NMB provision were resolved, “the rest can fall into place within 20 minutes.”


Is there any independent confirmation that the US Rep actually said these words?

clester
08-04-2011, 10:14 AM
I don't know about these comments but Mica is an idiot.

He has already done harm to controllers and caused many of us to retire. I believe he was behind the illegal forced working conditions without good faith bargaining that occurred about 4 years ago. It replaced the contract we had. He is part of the faction that would like to privatize all air traffic functions.

James48843
08-04-2011, 10:21 AM
Is there any independent confirmation that the US Rep actually said these words?

What do you want for "independent confirmation"?

How about an Aviationweek news article:
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=aviationdaily&id=news/avd/2011/07/20/03.xml

James48843
08-04-2011, 11:04 AM
FAA engineers head to Capitol HillBy Lisa Rein (http://www.tsptalk.com/lisa-rein/2011/03/04/ABdrNsN_page.html) and Steve Vogel

Fred Rasche, a 49-year-old engineer who has worked for the FAA for 27 years, was frustrated.

“The people in my office do work, and they work hard. This Congress isn’t able to work. It doesn’t seem like government is working anymore. It’s certainly not working for us.” Rasche said. He works as a lead engineer for a Chicago-based team overseeing the replacement of out-of-date computer systems in air traffic control towers at airports across the central United States. “We’re expected to get the job done,” he said. “We commission these towers on schedule and on budget.” All seven of the electronics engineers on his team have been furloughed, as have many other colleagues. “They’re all scared,” he said. “A lot of us live paycheck to paycheck.”

Rasche has four children, including a 17-year-old due to start college and a 14-year-old starting high school. After getting a call Saturday informing him that he had been furloughed, Rasche sat down with his wife to review which bills had to be paid and which can wait. They have enough to pay their August mortgage and maybe their September payment on their Arlington Heights home. They have already cashed in several life insurance policies and are planning to run up their credit card debt.

“We’re probably going to have to run through the college savings plan,” he said. His wife, who works for a medical office, is considering taking a second job. “I’m going to start looking at what’s out there,” Rasche said. “I hate to walk away from 27 years at the FAA.”



With nothing else to do, the unemployed from FAA are heading up to Capitol Hill to beg for their jobs back.

more:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/faa-engineers-head-to-capitol-hill/2011/03/23/gIQABQP2sI_blog.html

Viva_La_Migra
08-04-2011, 11:28 AM
Unions Rock !!
Don't get me wrong, I am a dues paying member myself. I was also an elected national level union officer at one time. I believe in the right of employees to bargain collectively, but I don't like that the unions only support one party. Working in law enforcement, it also bothers me that so many unions lobby for illegal immigrant's rights.

clester
08-04-2011, 11:34 AM
Don't get me wrong, I am a dues paying member myself. I was also an elected national level union officer at one time. I believe in the right of employees to bargain collectively, but I don't like that the unions only support one party. Working in law enforcement, it also bothers me that so many unions lobby for illegal immigrant's rights.
Why would unions support repubs when all they want is to tear them down. I guarantee if a repub supported uniosn they would them. It's really that simple.

Warrenlm
08-04-2011, 11:45 AM
or install pay toilets as a way of raising revenues, Mica says. That's it. Down with Mica. Where's that avatar of Che?

James48843
08-04-2011, 01:30 PM
Chris Weigant at his site (http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/03/no-faa-bill-no-fly-list) (sent by a reader), with a proposed (fantasized?) new "this is bullshit (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/time-for-a-this-is-bullshit-speech/242404/)" speech by Obama:

>>This is unacceptable. This is beyond dysfunctional. This is, in fact, an outrage. So I'm giving Congress a grace period of precisely two days, to get their butts back to Washington to fix this problem immediately. If I don't have a bill on my desk by the end of this Friday, I will instruct my Attorney General to immediately put every member of Congress on the "no-fly" list. To be blunt, if they can't find the time to fund the F.A.A. and prefer to take weeks off on vacation instead, then they will not be allowed to use the F.A.A.'s services in the meantime. Period.

I am sick of the partisan bickering in Washington, and I believe most Americans are just as disgusted by what Congress normally does as well -- or, more to the point, what they do not do. I blame all of them, which is why every single one of them will be on the "no-fly" list starting this Saturday morning. They can just take the bus to get to their corporate-sponsored junkets in the sunshine -- but they will not fly to get there. As every teenager in the country eventually discovers, when you don't do your homework, then you get grounded. Literally "grounded," in this case.

Members of Congress will just have to figure out another way of returning to Washington after this Saturday, because the airports will be closed to them. Folks in Congress who live out West should plan enough travel time to cross the country on the ground. Hawaiian legislators should look into boat schedules. My only regret in taking this action is that some members of Congress live close enough to Washington for this not to affect them -- because, ideally, I'd like to punish all of them.<<


Put members of Congress on the "NO FLY" list, and

Let them take the bus.


I like that idea.


Source:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/08/faa-stalemate-plan-make-congress-travel-by-bus/243099/

tsptalk
08-04-2011, 03:26 PM
Senator Reid just announced an agreement to reopen the FAA.

James48843
08-04-2011, 03:31 PM
Senator Reid just announced an agreement to reopen the FAA.

Got it!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-majority-leader-reid-announces-agreement-to-reopen-faa/2011/08/04/gIQANCbfuI_story.html


Good news. Hope it works!

nasa1974
08-04-2011, 03:49 PM
We could use some good news after a day like today.

James48843
08-04-2011, 05:48 PM
NO details out of Harry Reid yet.


I'm not going to believe it until I see a vote.

Scout333
08-04-2011, 06:02 PM
NO details out of Harry Reid yet.
I'm not going to believe it until I see a vote. Compromise reached on FAA Budget. Extension until mid-September?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44023626/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

Buster
08-04-2011, 11:41 PM
I guess most of the 74,000 Fed and civilian workers that were affected, will be back to work Monday..and Airlines will have some s'plaining to do..I hope!

Imagine the money/revenue lost because of this stupid crap game they played!..$30 Million dollars a day in lost taxes..over 17 days total, that's a loss of $510,000,000.00....a half a Billion in just 17 days!..it boggles the mind how frickin Stupid the people we elected are...sickening:sick:

Anyway, I bet they all get back-pay too..how much ya wanna bet?

Warrenlm
08-05-2011, 09:54 AM
Full back pay for feds, including matching TSP for FERS, and upward equitable adjustments for contractors, although they had to mitigate if they could. Betcha.

Why isn't the headline on FAA "Senate finally approves House bill and ends Democrat histrionics"? Or is that perspective anti left, anti what passes for truth in the media and around here?

I'm listening to the Labor Secretary explain that unemployment benefits need to be extended again because millions are unemployed through no fault of their own and corporations are sitting on piles of cash. I know I'm with Alice under the new thinking.

James48843
08-05-2011, 09:59 AM
There is no back-pay for the missing two weeks for the FAA employees.


They are hosed.


Here is the Senate on CSPAN-2 - they will be in "pro-forma" session this morning around ten, and then doing the vote "by unanimous consent" shortly-


there is no back-pay included in what they are going to approve today. The FAA employees will be out two weeks worth of pay, but at least they should be able to go back to work on Monday.

http://www.cspan.org/Events/Congress-Agrees-to-Short-Term-FAA-Authorization/10737423353-2/

Birchtree
08-05-2011, 10:00 AM
I saw a guy yesterday that was middle aged and well dressed out in 97 degree heat walking door to door trying to sell magazine subscriptions - I thought at the time this guy is my hero. He's out trying to take care of his family by trying to be productive.

Warrenlm
08-05-2011, 10:56 AM
I saw a guy yesterday that was middle aged and well dressed out in 97 degree heat walking door to door trying to sell magazine subscriptions - I thought at the time this guy is my hero. He's out trying to take care of his family by trying to be productive.

I hope you took the opportunity to tell him he is out of step with the society that is being hope and changed to level out everyone except the rich. See my list of new entitlements, inspired by the cub reporter. I need to add two items....cellphones with 250 free minutes and also subsidized internet service. What a country. Food stamps, AFDC, TANF, programs to end all programs. And a whole portion of the population taught to use their creative talents on how to milk programs rather than be productive.

James48843
08-05-2011, 11:13 AM
Senate passed it by unanimous consent.

Those FAA employees return to work on Monday.

The extension is good...until Sept 16.


September 16- When the authority to levy the ticket tax again expiress, and the employees again are subject to layoff- it happens all over again.


What a country.

James48843
09-14-2011, 09:32 PM
Here we go again. Four thousand FAA employees lost two weeks pay back in August due to republican intrazigence. Now Republican Seantor Tom Coburn (R-Oklahoma) is doing it again. This time he has placed a hold on an FAA extension bill, because he does not like the fact that the House put funding for bike paths in the House version of the transportation extension. As a result- the FAA will have to lay off those same 4,000 employees again on Friday of this week. Without funding, those same 80,000 private sector construction workers will be out a job effective midnight friday night as well .

More:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63496.html

and

http://thehill.com/blogs/transportation-report/aviation/181681-coburn-reid-continue-their-fight-over-faa-highway-funding-on-senate-floor

nnuut
09-14-2011, 09:40 PM
Our never ending EARMARKS are at it again!

burrocrat
09-14-2011, 09:59 PM
If you want a bike path then go buy one, with your own money. That would be a great feel-good thing to do, with your own money.

Quit spending mine on bacon, I don't like and didn't want bacon anyway.

burrocrat
09-14-2011, 10:03 PM
oh man that's just mean burro, why do you want to go and take the little kiddies free bike paths away, you big meany, what a jerk, kids need bike paths you know.

James48843
09-14-2011, 10:30 PM
Our never ending EARMARKS are at it again!

No, it's not earmarks.

It's the line item for "transportation enhancements" that has always been a part of the highway bill. this allows money to be spent for the following purposes:
http://www.enhancements.org/12_activities.asp

Those 12 activities are a part of the highway bill. He's not asking to cut the funding- he's saying that he doesn't want the money to be allowed to be spent on those items, and if he doesn't get his way, he's going to ensure 4,000 FAA employees don't get paid, again, and 76,000+ private contract employees lose their jobs, again.

Nice guy.

Warrenlm
09-15-2011, 05:38 AM
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0911/091411kl1.htm "FAA back pay bill is still alive"

nnuut
09-15-2011, 09:07 AM
No, it's not earmarks.

It's the line item for "transportation enhancements" that has always been a part of the highway bill. this allows money to be spent for the following purposes:
http://www.enhancements.org/12_activities.asp

Those 12 activities are a part of the highway bill. He's not asking to cut the funding- he's saying that he doesn't want the money to be allowed to be spent on those items, and if he doesn't get his way, he's going to ensure 4,000 FAA employees don't get paid, again, and 76,000+ private contract employees lose their jobs, again.

Nice guy.
That's funny as hell James, I thought we might be building bridges and overpasses, or repairing existing interstate highways or something stupid like that?:laugh:COMMONCOMMON!:)

James48843
09-15-2011, 09:28 AM
While it is true that there is a proposed "back pay" bill in the House, there is no such bill in the Senate, and Senator Coburn (R-0klahoma) has already said on more than one occasion that he is not interested in paying people that did not work those two weeks. I am currently sitting two feet from an employee that already is down $4,500 from the pay for those two weeks missed, and is going to be laid off again, tomorrow at midnight, if Senator Coburn has his way. Although it is possible that he'll get paid if that back[-pay bill passes, the longer we are past the payday for that (payday was two weeks ago) the less likely the chance that the bill gets passed in both houses. We'll see.

PessOptimist
09-17-2011, 12:49 AM
Not good if anyone loses income for whatever reason.

This has been on my mind since you posted this, James.

You said "down $4,500 from the pay for those two weeks missed ". Wow. Was that net or gross? 4500x26 pay periods=$117k. I sure hope the poor person managed to put away a few pennies just in case.

Is this in Michigan?

Buster
09-17-2011, 01:55 AM
Why are we still glooming over this? Nobody is getting furloughed.. It passed last night and Coburn Compromised in good faith for the 4000 gov't employees and the private contractors it would have affected..

I agree with Tom Coburn's stand on the issue and am glad he had the good SENSE to recognize the bullsh!t that was attached..Let's not attach crap that don't apply to the appropriation...Like a squirrel sanctuary for Christ sakes..what the hell is that?!..

KevinD
09-17-2011, 06:57 AM
...Like a squirrel sanctuary for Christ sakes..what the hell is that?!..

Had one of those in my attic till the siding guys ran them off. I wonder if I could get $ for providing habitat for the little creatures?

burrocrat
09-17-2011, 08:27 AM
Had one of those in my attic till the siding guys ran them off. I wonder if I could get $ for providing habitat for the little creatures?

No $ for habitat, but if you can design an experimental generator that transforms their poop into green energy then there's tons of grants and low interest loans available for that.

Now if it was racoons on the other hand, there's already a market for those.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thzUR_mq6OY

James48843
09-17-2011, 09:09 AM
You said "down $4,500 from the pay for those two weeks missed ". Wow. Was that net or gross? 4500x26 pay periods=$117k. I sure hope the poor person managed to put away a few pennies just in case.

Is this in Michigan?

No, that's a DC guy's gross. And that's a low salary for most of the DC guys. That's maybe missing a rent payment. You can't afford to buy a house in DC on just a $117K salary. That only gets you rent money for an apartment that is pretty far out in the sticks. $117K gross salary in DC, for a family, where houses cost $500,00 or $600,000, is pretty tough. A family needing just a two bedroom apartment in the city can easily set you back $3,000 a month in rent, or more. http://www.apartmentguide.com/apartments/District-of-Columbia/Washington/Avalon-at-Gallery-Place/88233/

James48843
09-17-2011, 09:15 AM
Why are we still glooming over this? Nobody is getting furloughed..

Until the NEXT time it comes up again.... but those who WERE furloughed are out the two weeks of pay still. Not good.

Buster
09-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Until the NEXT time it comes up again.... but those who WERE furloughed are out the two weeks of pay still. Not good.

There will always be a next time...

why don't you worry more about when the next megga Asteroid will hit the Earth..

nnuut
09-17-2011, 02:47 PM
Moving should be seriously taken into consideration.

Warrenlm
10-04-2011, 07:45 PM
Until the NEXT time it comes up again.... but those who WERE furloughed are out the two weeks of pay still. Not good.
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=530&sid=2571214FAA workers furloughed in shutdown get back pay

RealMoneyIssues
10-04-2011, 09:26 PM
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=530&sid=2571214FAA workers furloughed in shutdown get back pay
That shouldn't surpise anyone...