Vote Early, Vote Often !!!

[The HalfBreed]

Here's a prelude to Nov 4, 2008 and an introduction of the next President of the United States of America !!! :nuts:

Who will you vote for ? :nuts:

[James48843]

Ahhh...

My ballot is a secret.

In my area, we vote by optical scan cards.

One person once told me they filled in the little ovals...

until it made the shape of Mickey Mouse.




4973

Aaaarrrggggg....

Well, it's your vote.

HOWEVER you decide, please- remember that lots of Americans served our nation in order to give you that right.

Use it!

[tsptalk]

Did you mean for this poll to show who the voters picked?

[The HalfBreed]

Did you mean for this poll to show who the voters picked?


Y not ? Judging by some comments, it's apparent.....and not surprising. :)

[Show-me]

A vote not used is the only truly vote wasted. Send a real message and use the vote for a third party candidate.

[alevin]

:cool: Out of curiosity, here's a new question for everybody....How many 3d party candidates in YOUR state? Four here.:nuts:

[KevinD]

:cool: Out of curiosity, here's a new question for everybody....How many 3d party candidates in YOUR state? Four here.:nuts:

Only 1 third party candidate on the ballot here....Barr.

There were 6 choices for President on your ballot? :confused:

[alevin]

There were 6 choices for President on your ballot? :confused:

Truly! ;):D

[XL-entLady]

:cool: Out of curiosity, here's a new question for everybody....How many 3d party candidates in YOUR state? Four here.:nuts:
Five 3rd party candidates: seven (yep, count'em, seven) Presidential candidates in Utah. Republican, Democrat, Constitution, Libertarian, Green, Peace, and Socialist Parties, if I remember correctly. Still not causing the comments that were generated the year that Marilyn Chambers was on the ballot. :D

Lady

[Birchtree]

Oooh, I loved Marilyn. She was exceptional in "Behind The Green Door". That is also the name of a bar I used to go to in 1967 on the backside of Fort Bragg in Pinehurst, N.C.

[Show-me]

At least two here, Barr and Nader.

[Rod]

Well, I chose "I plan NOT to vote", to keep it a mystery.:D

I like a mystery, because I like my independence.

Actually, this election makes me wanna RALPH!:sick:

Is that a good enough clue for ya???;)

[Buster]

I don't care who you vote for....I have said this many times to some here that claimed they will not vote..because of ..http://www.jaguarforums.com/upfiles/smiley/icon_blah.gif



IT IS YOUR DUTY TO VOTE...
just do it!!!
http://www.hummeraddicts.com/Smileys/Lots_O_Smileys/evil5.gif

[alevin]

YAY BUSTER!!! :)

5002

Not only a duty, but a hard-won right and priviledge not available to citizens in many other countries.

[Silverbird]

VOTE! If you have use or lose you might want to take it tommorow and bring your lawn chair (especially if you are in a swing state). Remember most people who did not/can not vote absentee MUST vote either before or after work tommorow (Even if you don't like the Presidential picks, local elections matter, so that's not an excuse skip out).

[Viva_La_Migra]

Five 3rd party candidates: seven (yep, count'em, seven) Presidential candidates in Utah. Republican, Democrat, Constitution, Libertarian, Green, Peace, and Socialist Parties, if I remember correctly. Still not causing the comments that were generated the year that Marilyn Chambers was on the ballot. :D

Lady
I thought about voting for a third party candidate once for California Governor. Mary Carey! The way I saw it, if we were going to be screwed by the state, she was the only one with the skills, attributes, and desire to do the job correctly!:nuts:

[tsptalk]

A vote not used is the only truly vote wasted. Send a real message and use the vote for a third party candidate.
I agree - If you choose not to vote, a vote for a 3rd party may be the better way to go instead. But I don't believe you are doing yourself, or the country, a favor by voting 3rd party just for the sake of sending a message. Ala Perot - We're back to business as usual depsite his successful campaign.

Instead, a 3rd party vote will likely just hurt the candidate you are leaning toward (i.e. voting for Nader instead of voting for a democrat, or Barr instead of a republican). Just my opinion.

[Rod]

YAY BUSTER!!! :)

5002

Not only a duty, but a hard-won right and priviledge not available to citizens in many other countries.

Be informed...

Unfortunately, we do not have a federal constitutional right to vote in a presidential election. It is a priviledge though. One that is afforded by each individual state.


As stated by the Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore (2000), "The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote." Americans deserve an affirmative right to vote protected by the U.S. Constitution.

Because there is no right to vote clearly stated in the U.S. Constitution, individual states set their own electoral policies and procedures in areas such as ballot design, polling hours, voting equipment, voter registration requirements and ex-felon voting rights. As a result, our electoral system is divided into 50 states, more than 3000 counties and approximately 13,000 voting districts, all separate and unequal.




http://www.fairvote.org/?page=72

[Miss_Piggy]

I agree - If you choose not to vote, a vote for a 3rd party may be the better way to go instead. But I don't believe you are doing yourself, or the country, a favor by voting 3rd party just for the sake of sending a message.....
A Christian has a duty to vote probably more than any other citizen because of the biblical principles that are out there relating to nations. The Scripture tells us, Proverbs 14:34, that "Righteousness exalts a nation”

For those who have a perspective out of the Bible, it is more incumbent on them—as a duty—to be involved to choose leaders who will enact policies that God can bless in a community, state or nation; to choose leaders that will make decisions that God can honor.

PS And Shame on you if you don't.

[Frixxxx]

Be informed...

Unfortunately, we do not have a federal constitutional right to vote in a presidential election. It is a priviledge though. One that is afforded by each individual state.
http://www.fairvote.org/?page=72
I never understood why that case (Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore (2000)), ever went to the Supreme Court. Amendment 15 states:

Amendment 15 - Race No Bar to Vote.
1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Does that not clearly state there IS a right and it shall not be impeded? I can't believe it.:blink:

[clester]

A vote not used is the only truly vote wasted. Send a real message and use the vote for a third party candidate.
AMEN!

[Buster]

A Christian has a duty to vote probably more than any other citizen because of the biblical principles that are out there relating to nations. The Scripture tells us, Proverbs 14:34, that "Righteousness exalts a nation”

For those who have a perspective out of the Bible, it is more incumbent on them—as a duty—to be involved to choose leaders who will enact policies that God can bless in a community, state or nation; to choose leaders that will make decisions that God can honor.

PS And Shame on you if you don't.Well bless your heart..that was wonderfully put..:)

[Rod]

I never understood why that case (Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore (2000)), ever went to the Supreme Court. Amendment 15 states:

Amendment 15 - Race No Bar to Vote.
1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Does that not clearly state there IS a right and it shall not be impeded? I can't believe it.:blink:

That is not a "blanket" right to vote. In context, this amendment prohibits states from preventing former slaves from voting. In other words, when a state permits someone to vote, they cannot deny that permission based on the mere fact that they were once a slave.

The phrase, "right to vote" is used flippantly.

Essentially, we are in need of a clearly defined constitutional right to vote.

I'm all for it so there can be some form of clarity within the system.

[Frixxxx]

That is not a "blanket" right to vote. In context, this amendment prohibits states from preventing former slaves from voting. In other words, when a state permits someone to vote, they cannot deny that permission based on the mere fact that they were once a slave.

The phrase, "right to vote" is used flippantly.

Essentially, we are in need of a clearly defined constitutional right to vote.

I'm all for it so there can be some form of clarity within the system.
Thanks Rod, I'll look at all the other flippant amendments out there and take out all the parts of the constitution I disagree with.

The sentence starts out clearly in the text of English "The right of citizens of the United States to vote" and in the English class I took means you boil the subject down to "The right to vote" (gerund?). Hence why I said, the Supreme Court should NEVER had to listened to the Gore V Bush 2000 case.

Next you'll say that "We the people" means a flippant remark the select few that can read and write.

This form of interpretation is slowly degrading what the American society has stood for. Please remember that smarter people than us came up with this document. Sorry for the rant, Rod, but that flippant statement doesn't add up for me.

[Buster]

Was the word 'Flippantly' a word back around the time of the writing of the Constitution?...I don't know, That's why I'm asking....Did they use words like that to disclaim the words previously written in the Constitution?..was the whole document written with a flippant twist in mind...these are questions plaguing me now...:confused:

Did the US government really blow up the WTC on 9-11 and not by some poor Arabs that were victims of racial profiling???

Questions, conspiracy, when will it end...aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhheeeeeee!!!!!

[Miss_Piggy]

Just a Little Humor on the Subject


Nudist group wants clothing-optional polling site Nov 3 04:14 PM US/Eastern

LAND O’ LAKES, Fla. (AP) - A nudist community on Florida’s west coast wants to establish the first clothing-optional polling site. The Caliente Resorts, located in Pasco County north of Tampa, has approached election officials about the idea.

Nothing in state law would prohibit it, but the supervisor of elections says he is opposed to creating any new precincts before redistricting in 2010. Copyright 2008 The Associated Press.

[Buster]

Just a Little Humor on the Subject




Nudist group wants clothing-optional polling site Nov 3 04:14 PM US/Eastern

LAND O’ LAKES, Fla. (AP) - A nudist community on Florida’s west coast wants to establish the first clothing-optional polling site. The Caliente Resorts, located in Pasco County north of Tampa, has approached election officials about the idea.

Nothing in state law would prohibit it, but the supervisor of elections says he is opposed to creating any new precincts before redistricting in 2010. Copyright 2008 The Associated Press.
Polling site---> Nudist colony..isn't that sort of an oxymoron?:D

[alevin]

A Christian has a duty to vote probably more than any other citizen because of the biblical principles that are out there relating to nations. The Scripture tells us, Proverbs 14:34, that "Righteousness exalts a nation”

For those who have a perspective out of the Bible, it is more incumbent on them—as a duty—to be involved to choose leaders who will enact policies that God can bless in a community, state or nation; to choose leaders that will make decisions that God can honor.

PS And Shame on you if you don't.

I like your perspective, MP. Kinda like I had the first time I ever voted-in 76-as well as since-who says people always vote for the probable winner? I've voted for hopeless causes more than once, just to send a message if for no other reason, as Show-Me advocates. Birch would have a cow if he knew who I voted for that first time tho-a winner for once (seldom seen Birchie in the lounge tho so maybe he won't notice this comment. Ya think?) :cheesy:

[budnipper1]

Polling site---> Nudist colony..isn't that sort of an oxymoron?:D

Not sure about that, but it would surely give a whole new meaning to the term, "hanging chads".

[James48843]

Dixville Notch has spoken:
It's Obama in a landslide




NEW: It's an Obama landslide -- 15 votes to 6 for McCain
Dixville Notch, New Hampshire, residents cast the first votes on Election Day
Voters begin casting their ballots at 12 a.m. Tuesday morning
The town has hardly been a reliable bellwether for picking the president



DIXVILLE NOTCH, New Hampshire (CNN) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama emerged victorious in the first election returns of the 2008 presidential race, winning 15 of 21 votes cast in Dixville Notch, New Hampshire.

People in the village in New Hampshire's northeast corner voted just after midnight Tuesday.

It was the first time since 1968 that the village leaned Democratic in an election.

Obama's rival, Republican John McCain, won 6 votes.

A full 100 percent of registered voters in the village cast ballots. And the votes didn't take long to tally.

The town, home to around 75 residents, has opened its polls shortly after midnight each Election Day since 1960, drawing national media attention for being the first place in the country to make its presidential preferences known.

However, since 1996, another small New Hampshire town -- Hart's Location -- reinstated its practice from the 1940s and also began opening its polls at midnight.

The result in Dixville Notch is hardly a reliable bellwether for the eventual winner of the White House -- or even the result statewide.

While New Hampshire (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/new_hampshire) is a perennial swing state, with 4 Electoral College votes at stake, Dixville Notch consistently leans Republican. The last Democrat it picked was Hubert Humphrey over Richard Nixon in 1968.
President Bush won the town in a landslide in the past two elections: He captured 73 percent of the vote in 2004 (19 residents picked Bush while six preferred Sen. John Kerry), and secured 80 percent of the vote in 2000 (21 votes for Bush, five votes for Al Gore.) http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gifWatch the results being posted in Dixville Notch » (http://cnn.site.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Dixville+Notch+has+spoken%3A+It%27s+Obama+in +a+landslide+-+CNN.com&expire=-1&urlID=32192297&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2008%2FPOLITICS%2F1 1%2F04%2Fdixville.notch%2Findex.html%3Fsection%3Dc nn_latest&partnerID=211911#cnnSTCVideo)

But villagers expected the results to be close this year given Democrats now outnumber Republicans there.

The town picked both John McCain (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/john_mccain) and Barack Obama (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/barack_obama) for the New Hampshire Democratic and Republican primaries in January. McCain ultimately won the state of New Hampshire, while Sen. Hillary Clinton upset Obama there.

[Show-me]

Well there you have it folks no sense in the rest of you Democrats going out to vote.

[Guest2]

If Wall Street determined the election (like our Poll Above) we'd have
a Republican President come 9pm tonight. But Main Street is calling all
the shots in this one. I just hope we have some checks and balances
left over and everyone doesn't vote based on party lines. The possibility
of a Republican House or Senate would be a strong victory of sorts. It
would keep that checkbook from opening for those $6000 hammers we've
heard so much about. But even that doesn't seem likely according to the
polls. In any case, lets hope we're all surprised and Obama has more to
him then just being a eliquent speaker. Our Nation and Safety depend on
it. The whole thing gives me more reason to add to the definition of the
following word; AntiTrust. An upset will be hard to overcome the odds.

[KevinD]

Polling site---> Nudist colony:D


Dixville Notch has spoken:


Coincidence? I think not. :D

[Guest2]

Are You Packed Yet !
5010
No, well I'm Packing (a 9mm)

[fabijo]

Woohoo! Ron Paul got two write-ins in Hart's Location, New Hampshire. :D
The Libertarian and Independents got no votes there.

other votes were 10 McCain, 17 Obama
http://www.hartslocation.com/results.jpg

[Rod]

Thanks Rod, I'll look at all the other flippant amendments out there and take out all the parts of the constitution I disagree with.

The sentence starts out clearly in the text of English "The right of citizens of the United States to vote" and in the English class I took means you boil the subject down to "The right to vote" (gerund?). Hence why I said, the Supreme Court should NEVER had to listened to the Gore V Bush 2000 case.

Next you'll say that "We the people" means a flippant remark the select few that can read and write.

This form of interpretation is slowly degrading what the American society has stood for. Please remember that smarter people than us came up with this document. Sorry for the rant, Rod, but that flippant statement doesn't add up for me.

This may help you:


The United States is one of the eleven nations in the world that doesn't provide an explicit right to vote in its Constitution.

http://www.house.gov/jackson/VotingAmendment.htm

Until "We the people" wake up and realize what is lacking, our collective voice will not be heard to implement change.

[Frixxxx]

This may help you:



http://www.house.gov/jackson/VotingAmendment.htm

Until "We the people" wake up and realize what is lacking, our collective voice will not be heard to implement change.
Rod,

I think we are talking about two different things. I have a "right to vote", however, because of the electoral college system, I don't "vote" for the president directly. I cast a nomination to the electoral college with my choice. The nominations are tallied and presented to the Electoral College.

Is this what we're arguing about?:blink:

[PessOptimist]

None of us have a right to vote by the US constitution. As to congress:



Article I. - The Legislative Branch

Section 4 - Elections, Meetings
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of Chusing Senators.


As to president:




Article II. - The Executive Branch

Section 1 - The President

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

So it's in your state constitution, laws or statutes that you can or cannot vote for the US congress or president. True, US constitutional ammendments do clarify/confuse the issue depending on your point of view.
The bottom line is that, with all it's warts and problems, it works.
I hope you all had a pleasant experience today and enjoyed voting!

[Frixxxx]

Well, my history and constitution studies are complete and I have to concede the point, Rod, you are correct. I spent three hours in the Constitution last night and I have had to cross-reference about 32 cases to figure out what the hell our founding fathers did to us. (Thanks PessO for your input)

I am now joining the ranks to "officially" petition an amendment to withdrawal the 15th, 19th, 26th amendment in favor of 1 amendment.

The right to vote amendment.

Rod, I sincerely apologize and thank you for opening my eyes....!:cool:

[The HalfBreed]

Well Run campaigns....but I'm glad it's all over.
It's been a long run, and it's Time to move on.
The best man has won......
call it a Mandate or a Landslide by the American People.......
let's see how this country can move forward.

[Buster]

Agreed..I said the same on another thread..time to look forward..

TOM, this thread is dead. bury it please.:)

[Rod]

Rod,

I think we are talking about two different things. I have a "right to vote", however, because of the electoral college system, I don't "vote" for the president directly. I cast a nomination to the electoral college with my choice. The nominations are tallied and presented to the Electoral College.

Is this what we're arguing about?:blink:

My contention is that we are only afforded a state priviledge to vote. A right to vote is not clearly stated within the Constitution. An amendment to fix that is outlined in the House Joint Resolution Res. 28, The Right to Vote Amendment:

http://fairvote.org/?page=205

http://fairvote.org/?page=214

http://www.house.gov/jackson/VotingAmendment.htm

That's all I have.

Until... 2012!;)