350Z's I fund thread NOV 07

[350zCommTech]

The I fund starts out tonight with a +FVC of -15 cents.

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[350zCommTech]

Hey...uum, What happened to NOV ?:D:D

LOL!!!

Somebody please fix it for me....:embarrest:


Thanks...LOL.....

[ATCJeff]

Sure hope I made money in November....:D

[James48843]

There- it's fixed.

*(Although I do not know who did it- they did it within seconds of me going to see if I could do it. Another mystery in the background edit by the background editors- Thank you Mr. (or MS) Mysteryman!)

[James48843]

Quite a nice day, no?

Now, it's time to figure out what will happen tomorrow. My thought is at least one more day of a small rise as the bubbly good mood carries over till tomorrow.

[nnuut]

2399
wwwoooooooo yyyeeeeaaakkkkkksssssss!!!!!!
It's the Witching Night!!:eek::eek::eek:

[ATCJeff]

Quite a nice day, no?

Now, it's time to figure out what will happen tomorrow. My thought is at least one more day of a small rise as the bubbly good mood carries over till tomorrow.

Me, I'm 75% out tomorrow and probably 100% out Friday. Monday I start looking for the Christmas rally.

[James48843]

Yep- sorry I'm late- was handing out the candy. Darn brats cleaned me out of all the good stuff- I was hoping some of the full-size hershey bars would go unclaimed (buuurrrp), but no such luck.

[Birchtree]

Barton Biggs thinks we may have a stampede lurching forward. I'm not proud so I'll take a rampaging bull move anytime.

[whitemingo]

NIKKEI off to a decent start +.63% and traking up.

[Robo5555]

Nice day today!!!!

[350zCommTech]

Me, I'm 75% out tomorrow and probably 100% out Friday. Monday I start looking for the Christmas rally.

If the market pulls back tomorrow, I might get back in for Friday. I have a feeling the jobs number will be decent(130-140K). The Fed's statement today basically gives them a neutral bias. That was why the market's initial reaction was to sell the news. I'm actually still surprise that the market finished the way it did.

So, with the Fed now neutral, I think the markets will look at the decent jobs report as "Goldilocks" and maybe bounce from tomorrows pull back.

Opinions?

Btw, tomorrow we have ISM and pending home sales.

[Robo5555]

Japan is about one percent up so far.

[fabijo]

bfcwYWivb3w

What kind of dancing is that? :) Check out this little tot:

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[clester]

Looks like the EFA and MSCI EAFE have broken out of a cup and handle formation and to a new high. A very bullish sign.

[hessian]

If the market pulls back tomorrow, I might get back in for Friday. I have a feeling the jobs number will be decent(130-140K). The Fed's statement today basically gives them a neutral bias. Opinions?
Btw, tomorrow we have ISM and pending home sales.

Hello 350,
Assuming you're correct on jobs, I'm wondering too - wiil markets maintain uptrend or pullback. Its early still(0745), futures are red, modestly, but as seen before they end up closing just fine. I don't feel that reaction to the FED was really overdone (like last time). Looking back over the last maybe 5-10 days, it seems to me that C & S are generally looking as continuing in an established direction. Of course there are wildcards, as you noted (along w/ $oil). I'm wondering, but thinking C & S could simply continue gains.

As for "I", as noted, Nikkei closed nicely green, as did the Aussie funds. Its Europe thats showing mixed, and bothering me - w/ a good amout of red early this morning. If this is due to dollar, then going forward isn't likely to get better is my guess. Opinions? Best to bail I today?
Thanks

[weatherweenie]

Bloomberg quote -0.843%

[350zCommTech]

I just woke up.

Folks this is not you're typical profit taking after Fed cut. Don't let the media fool you. The Yen carry trade is unwinding. My guess is that it has to do with Credit Swiss and Citigroup.

[Robo5555]

Not looking good so far. Something is up.

[Robo5555]

has anyone had trouble logging into TSP this morning? It's timing out....

No problem at all.

[weatherweenie]

I just woke up.

Folks this is not you're typical profit taking after Fed cut. Don't let the media fool you. The Yen carry trade is unwinding. My guess is that it has to do with Credit Swiss and Citigroup.

And Exxon's earnings miss, and oil continuing to climb higher.

[James48843]

And the NYSE removed the trading curbs last week.

Want to see a 20% decline in one session?

Now it is possible again, thanks to the NYSE removing the circuit breakers that had been in place since 1987's crash.

(Not saying that will happen today, but I just wanted to point that out to people).

[James48843]

Alright- we have shaken off the weak ones.

Now, watch over the next hour as the market bottoms out, then begins a retrace that ends the day in the green....

(Come on baby, daddy needs a new pair of shoes...)

[Robo5555]

On the other hand, This might just be a setup for a major run up. We are down almost 200 points so far in the USM. Getting chaper by the second. Maybe smart buyers are getting ready to jump in.

[350zCommTech]

Down 39 cents, including a +FVC of 15.

[DCguy]

tsp.gov is down att. I can't get to account page... I guess ppl see red and start making ift's and the servers can't handle all requests.

[350zCommTech]

Hello 350,
Assuming you're correct on jobs, I'm wondering too - wiil markets maintain uptrend or pullback. Its early still(0745), futures are red, modestly, but as seen before they end up closing just fine. I don't feel that reaction to the FED was really overdone (like last time). Looking back over the last maybe 5-10 days, it seems to me that C & S are generally looking as continuing in an established direction. Of course there are wildcards, as you noted (along w/ $oil). I'm wondering, but thinking C & S could simply continue gains.

As for "I", as noted, Nikkei closed nicely green, as did the Aussie funds. Its Europe thats showing mixed, and bothering me - w/ a good amout of red early this morning. If this is due to dollar, then going forward isn't likely to get better is my guess. Opinions? Best to bail I today?
Thanks

Yes, I would not want to be in the I fund for tomorrow. A turn around in the USM this afternoon will cause a big +FV. Also, the dollar is bouncing off new lows. The dollar will continue to rise on a decent jobs number.

[Robo5555]

tsp.gov is down att. I can't get to account page... I guess ppl see red and start making ift's and the servers can't handle all requests.

I have no problems logging on.

[Robo5555]

I know I am!;)


12%....where are you??? James is stealing your thunder....lol!

I believe 12% is on this boat too. Look at his thread.

[350zCommTech]

Currently down 37 cents.

[12%ayear]

Perfect set-up for mega +++FV this afternoon.

[Removed1]

Perfect set-up for mega +++FV this afternoon.
12 ...are you staying with S for Friday? TIA

[Cortez]

I read the posts regarding what FV is but I have a follow up question: What is the strategy used to play anticipated afternoon moves in the USM v. entering or exiting the I fund?

For example today, the Dow is -200 and presuming strength in the afternoon what action would you take by noon if:
1. you are not sitting in I fund
2. you are currently in I fund

[350zCommTech]

I read the posts regarding what FV is but I have a follow up question: What is the strategy used to play anticipated afternoon moves in the USM v. entering or exiting the I fund?

For example today, the Dow is -200 and presuming strength in the afternoon what action would you take by noon if:
1. you are not sitting in I fund
2. you are currently in I fund

If the +FV is anticipated:

1. Avoid the I fund
2. Go somewhere else

[Jethro]

Thanks to all:
-Tom - Great Site.
-ChemEng - Awesome utility (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=72358&postcount=1)
-350z - The best TSP forum
-12% and all for advice.
:)

[Cortez]

If the +FV is anticipated:

1. Avoid the I fund
2. Go somewhere else

Therefore, If a -FV is anticipated due to weakness in the afternoon, then:
1. Enter I fund if sitting elsewhere
2. Remain in I fund to collect extra value if already in I

[Jethro]

350z, I noticed that your FV estimates are different than ChemEng, are you using a different spreadsheet?

From ChemEng:
10:44 estimate: -27 cents from market change PLUS +FVC of -15 cents PLUS -10 cents from dollar change EQUALS -52 cent

fwiw going to the S fund.

[350zCommTech]

350z, I noticed that your FV estimates are different than ChemEng, are you using a different spreadsheet?

From ChemEng:
10:44 estimate: -27 cents from market change PLUS +FVC of -15 cents PLUS -10 cents from dollar change EQUALS -52 cent

fwiw going to the S fund.

Yes, I'm using my own.

I have it currently down 41 cents.

[Jethro]

Yes, I'm using my own.

I have it currently down 41 cents.
Ok thanks, btw great call to move to sideline today! :)

[350zCommTech]

Ok thanks, btw great call to move to sideline today! :)


Thank you.:)

[Jethro]

From ChemEng:
10:44 estimate: -27 cents from market change PLUS +FVC of -15 cents PLUS -10 cents from dollar change EQUALS -52 cent

Daylight savings estimate:
From ChemEng spreadsheet:
11:40 estimate: -22 cents from market change PLUS +FVC of -15 cents PLUS -4 cents from dollar change EQUALS -41 cents

Difference Equals +11 cents.

[350zCommTech]

350 did you make the move to S for tomorrow?

Yes, I did.

[350zCommTech]

Final:

Down 35 cents.

[TerpTrader]

Ok thanks, btw great call to move to sideline today! :)

Ditto!
You've really been nailing your moves lately, 350...
excellent timing - kudos to you.
You're movin' significantly up the Tracker ladder as well :D

[350zCommTech]

Ditto!
You've really been nailing your moves lately, 350...
excellent timing - kudos to you.
You're movin' significantly up the Tracker ladder as well :D

Thanks,

I'm ashamed to be behind any of the L funds, so I need to get moving.:D

[Stoplight]

Another thanks, too, from a noob !

Took your analysis on the I the other day and went all in yesterday....made a nice addition to my account balance !

Of course, I didn't flee totally back to G today like my gut told me to do, so I'll give a little back :( Guess that's the way it works....

Keep up the good work !

Stop....

[350zCommTech]

Another thanks, too, from a noob !

Took your analysis on the I the other day and went all in yesterday....made a nice addition to my account balance !

Of course, I didn't flee totally back to G today like my gut told me to do, so I'll give a little back :( Guess that's the way it works....

Keep up the good work !

Stop....

Thank you.

Btw, I like your avatar. Do you have yellow and green also?

[Stoplight]

Thank you.

Btw, I like your avatar. Do you have yellow and green also?



Of course ! :D

Stop...

[whitemingo]

Msci Eafe: -.90%

[350zCommTech]

Msci Eafe: -.90%

Down 38.5 cents.

[Jonathan]

Looking rather painful right now. With 1/2 hour left, we're down more than 310 points on the Dow. Looks like the bottom might have fallen out.

[SCHAGAN]

Down 38.5 cents.
Is that with or w/o -FV we are going to get from yesterday's +FV?

[350zCommTech]

Is that with or w/o -FV we are going to get from yesterday's +FV?

That includes a +FVC of 15 cents for yesterday.

[Griffin]

That includes a +FVC of 15 cents for yesterday.

Are you factoring in a -FV for today?

[350zCommTech]

Are you factoring in a -FV for today?

Not yet.

[Griffin]

Not yet.

My estimate is somewhere between ugly and down right gruesome.

[DCguy]

wow what a way to start a new day in Nov..

[Jethro]

30 Days has November......thank goodness :worried:

[tspgo_com]

My estimate is somewhere between ugly and down right gruesome.

It seems it is going to be more than -0.50. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

[350zCommTech]

My estimate is somewhere between ugly and down right gruesome.

Yup,

Here's how it looks:

1) If they go conservative, which they might since the dollar fell just a tad, we're look at a -FV of 18 cents for a total of -56 cents.

2) But if they go aggressive, we could see a -FV of 32 cents for a total of -70 cents.

[DCguy]

so can someone here tell me what the final closing prices are? thx

[SCHAGAN]

so can someone here tell me what the final closing prices are? thx
boxholder has estimates in his thread

[350zCommTech]

so can someone here tell me what the final closing prices are? thx

Closing price for the I fund could be 25.75 or 25.61.

[camper65]

I see another buying opportunity on the horizon! YEA!!!

[12%ayear]

Time to stay put in this market until the end of the year. We needed a day like today to shake out , too bad I was in it..lol. Stay strong and focus on that 14000s. We will break new highs before the year is out. The FED's statement is factored in now. S Fund is the place to be IMO. US DOLLAR will bounce hard and oil will drop.

[HAILSTORM]

I was fortunate enough to be 100% in "I" yesterday and 100% in "G" today...but I'm in 75% "I" and 25% "S" tomorrow. Have no idea what to do for Monday.

[caymanbrac12]

G -
F +.06
C -.45
S -.58
I -.72

[350zCommTech]

2) But if they go aggressive, we could see a -FV of 32 cents for a total of -70 cents.


Looks like they went aggressive.

Down 72 cents. -FV was 33 cents.

[mario]

Looks like they went aggressive.

Down 72 cents. -FV was 33 cents.

Somebody help me with this. If we just got -FV'd why would someone sell out and leave to something else like the S fund instead of staying to get the -FV back tomorrow? thanks

[tspgo_com]

Somebody help me with this. If we just got -FV'd why would someone sell out and leave to something else like the S fund instead of staying to get the -FV back tomorrow? thanks

At 11:30 am some of us were counting on a +FV instead of -FV. We were expecting the USM to rebound. It didn't. We were hit hard.

[350zCommTech]

Somebody help me with this. If we just got -FV'd why would someone sell out and leave to something else like the S fund instead of staying to get the -FV back tomorrow? thanks

Are you serious?

Did you know that there was going to be a 33 cents -FV today? It's a rhetorical question because....nobody knows.....It just a guess that we make before our 1100 central deadline. Most here, including our best, thought the market was going to rally and eventually causing a +FV. We guessed wrong. That's the way it goes.

If I had known it was going to be a -FV of 33 cents, I would have gone to I fund. But since I don't have a crystal ball, I play the probability game...

[Robo5555]

At 11:30 am some of us were counting on a +FV instead of -FV. We were expecting the USM to rebound. It didn't. We were hit hard.

That nails that one!

[Robo5555]

Are you serious?

Did you know that there was going to be a 33 cents -FV today? It's a rhetorical question because....nobody knows.....It just a guess that we make before our 1100 central deadline. Most here, including our best, thought the market was going to rally and eventually causing a +FV. We guessed wrong. That's the way it goes.

If I had known it was going to be a -FV of 33 cents, I would have gone to I fund. But since I don't have a crystal ball, I play the probability game...

I would of bet the farm on a strong come back. Got hit hard as well. In a year we will not remember this! Booyah!

[buda]

right now the Tsplookup is showing -.49 FV. Does that mean that we are starting .49 cents in the hole for Friday and need to climb out? Just want to make sure I'm reading the Tsplookup correctly....

buds

[whitemingo]

Sorry I did not understand your question when I answered it. I see that you are asking if we are in the hole before any numbers are figured. I don't know. I deleted my first response.

[Jethro]

right now the Tsplookup is showing -.49 FV. Does that mean that we are starting .49 cents in the hole for Friday and need to climb out? Just want to make sure I'm reading the Tsplookup correctly....

budsNo, -.15 is payback from yesterday's FVC(Fair Value Correction) and -.33 was todays -FV.
So the I Fund will pay back .33 tomorrow. I'm not sure where the extra penny is coming from, we are showing a total FV of -.48.

[ChemEng]

Premarket estimate:
7:57 estimate: -32 cents from market change PLUS -FVC of +33 cents PLUS +7 cents from dollar change EQUALS +8 cents.

[ctkling192]

Hi everybody--newbie here. Jobs report looks good. Better than expected. Europe took off. Will it be enough to pull us up?

[Jethro]

Futures are flying, looks like a green day. :)
S&P futures vs fair value: +9.2. Nasdaq futures vs fair value: +21.3.

[nnuut]

Welcome to the Message Board ctkling192. Yes, I think it will help the Markets this morning.
Norman:D

[Pilgrim]

Futures are flying, looks like a green day. :)
S&P futures vs fair value: +9.2. Nasdaq futures vs fair value: +21.3.

How far into the day before the street figures out that these number kill any chance of further rate cuts this year? Will it sell off when it does? I suspect: open big, then take a dive.

[fabijo]

How far into the day before the street figures out that these number kill any chance of further rate cuts this year?

It depends on the Fed's focus. If some really bad news about banks and the subprime crisis keep coming, we could get another decrease. I think another decrease this year is unlikely, but we never know with these people.

[Boxholder]

I sure hope the poor earnings report by Chevron this morning doesn't affect the market as much as Exon's did yesterday!

[frokker]

Anyone have an early estimate? Thinking about jumping back in for Monday.

[350zCommTech]

Up 6 cents.

[Robo5555]

I'm in the S fund today.....anyone jumpong in the I?

[ChemEng]

11:08 estimate: -33 cents from market change PLUS -FVC of +33 cents PLUS +7 cents from dollar change EQUALS +6 cents.

[qibovin]

11:08 estimate: -33 cents from market change PLUS -FVC of +33 cents PLUS +7 cents from dollar change EQUALS +6 cents.

ChemEng, RU keeping a penny for your services?

[CopterDoc]

I'm in 100% (I Fund) Monday
Scott

[ChemEng]

ChemEng, RU keeping a penny for your services?

Thats a great idea!! ;)

The occassional penny differences are due to rounding to the number of pennies. If you round up on one number and then down on the total number, sometimes you end up with a penny lost.

I suppose I could change the total to show the 4 digit gain instead of the penny gains to correct it. But I thought it would cause some confusion. OMG I fund should have gotten 3.2537 cents today and only got 3!!!

Hope that clears helps.

[qibovin]

Thats a great idea!! ;)

The occassional penny differences are due to rounding to the number of pennies. If you round up on one number and then down on the total number, sometimes you end up with a penny lost.

I suppose I could change the total to show the 4 digit gain instead of the penny gains to correct it. But I thought it would cause some confusion. OMG I fund should have gotten 3.2537 cents today and only got 3!!!

Hope that clears helps.

I suppose these discrepancies will disappear when they add two decimal places to our account balances. Then I'll keep wondering until the end what they're going to do when I ask to withdraw my 0.37 cent.

[Minnow]

OK... one more knock on the floor today and then how's about a finish in the green for the USMarkets? just a little +FV for a weekend snack? thoughts?

[350zCommTech]

Up 9 cents, including a -FVC of 33 cents.

[weatherweenie]

eafe -0.96%

[350zCommTech]

eafe -0.96%

Up 8 cents.

[Minnow]

OK... one more knock on the floor today and then how's about a finish in the green for the USMarkets? just a little +FV for a weekend snack? thoughts?

next time I'll try and proclaim it with exclamation points instead of question marks.... maybe we'll knock sooner and finish greener :D hope everyone has a great weekend!!!

[phillyfed]

Despite all the ugliness around Noon I went 100 I for Monday. We have been here a few times before. Subprime concerns, credit crunch...blah,blah,blah. We always bounced after a few bad days. March, August, now October/November.

Hopefully the trend continues. Im seeing a 2% up day Monday in I. The bull runs again!

[350zCommTech]

F = 3
C = 1
S = 2
I = 10 ($25.69)


The I fund got 2 extra pennies! It should have been 8 cents.:)

[McDuck]

Are these the correct numbers? Three days straight of +UfV

10/31/07 I-fund 1.47% MSCI 0.89% <= UV 0.58%
11/01/07 I-fund 1.06% MSCI -0.90% <= UV 1.96%
11/02/07 I-fund 0.38% MSCI -0.96% <= UV 1.34%

[350zCommTech]

God I'm glad this week is over...I should have bought stock in Rolaids:D

I know...this was the best 2 cents I've ever made.:D

[Robo5555]

Am I glad this week is over! Going to go lick my wounds over the weekend over a couple of cocktails. I've got the first round.....my treat!

[hessian]

F = 3
C = 1
S = 2
I = 10 ($25.69)
The I fund got 2 extra pennies! It should have been 8 cents.:)

Hey 350,
Might those 2 extra pennies be a couple of those that may have rolled off the table a couple days ago? ("got robbed" of).:suspicious:
No chance they showed up a day or two later - like maybe when sweeping up the floors? :D

[350zCommTech]

Hey 350,
Might those 2 extra pennies be a couple of those that may have rolled off the table a couple days ago? ("got robbed" of).:suspicious:
No chance they showed up a day or two later - like maybe when sweeping up the floors? :D

No, and since I don't keep track of the actual I fund price(8 or so decimal places) anymore, it's hard to say for sure. My best guess is that I was off by .4 of a penny on the I fund price and Thursday's -FV was actually 34 cents.

The important thing now is that the I fund is now even.

[Robo5555]

We need a good week!!!!

[hessian]

We need a good week!!!!

Actually for 350Z,
Sir, thanks for reponse on the pennies (purely academic, 100% accepted).

But below relavant to Robo, quoted, and as they say on Monty Python's: "On a completely different subject,"
many questions/concerns are being raised on the freefalling dollar and anticipated effects worldwide (even 12% related concern today). I found an article seems to add another log to the fire (some interesting charts too), quoted below, on the dollar...

"In all the years I've been trading I've never seen such a one-sided position against the dollar," said Dennis Gartman, publisher of the Gartman letter, speaking at a Euromoney foreign exchange conference in New York on Thursday.
"It is absolutely shocking how overtly bearish the world is."
He also reports that classic sign of a market mania, a variation of the shoeshine boy giving stock tips, saying that a doctor had told him on the golf course that he'd opened an account in order to short the dollar.
...And even though he thinks the medium term direction of the dollar will be down, he thinks the sheer weight of people all betting the same way opens up the possibility of a vicious short covering rally, as the herd all get caught trying to get out of positions at the same time if sentiment against the dollar changes, even slightly."
More, plus charts on other subjects at, http://aheadofthenews.com/ (http://aheadofthenews.com/)

Any thoughts/opininions on this?
Additionally, my primarily confusion is confidence in, and thinking to bail "I" - in favor of "S/C" for next week!
VR

[merlin]

Nikkei 225 is down -134.37 and 300 is -2.18.

[easyrydr]

does anyone have the igoogle chart address?

[budnipper1]

does anyone have the igoogle chart address?

http://www.google.com/ig/directory?hl=en&url=http://mytspportfolio.googlepages.com/mytspportfolio.xml
This is the link to set up the igoogle gadget called "My TSP Portfolio".
Is this what you are looking for?

This link is for google finance, which offers charts and market quotes.
http://finance.google.com/finance?tab=we&hl=en

[easyrydr]

thanks buddnipper

[350zCommTech]

And even though he thinks the medium term direction of the dollar will be down, he thinks the sheer weight of people all betting the same way opens up the possibility of a vicious short covering rally, as the herd all get caught trying to get out of positions at the same time if sentiment against the dollar changes, even slightly."

Any thoughts/opininions on this?
Additionally, my primarily confusion is confidence in, and thinking to bail "I" - in favor of "S/C" for next week!
VR

I highlighted the important part of that paragraph. Unless you think the Feds are going to start raising rates again, the sentiment against the dollar will really change when something bad is happening. In which case, you don't want to be anywhere near the markets.

Having said that, both the BOE and the ECB will hold their respective rates on Thursday. I expect the dollar to move up from now until Thursday. The dollar might do a sell the news on Thursday.

[Jethro]

Having said that, both the BOE and the ECB will hold their respective rates on Thursday.Any chance they will cut to boost the dollar?

damn: have a meeting in 10min. later

[350zCommTech]

Any chance they will cut to boost the dollar?

damn: have a meeting in 10min. later

I don't think so. They have inflation problems of their own. Also, The ECB usually telegraphs their moves, and they have not given any hints. Besides, our Fed just went neutral.

[James48843]

Japan, CAC, DAX, FTSE all red this morning.

Not looking good for the "I".

[James48843]

Now showing down -.29 cents this morning-

Did we have any FV to add into the figure- or are we all even up this morning? Anybody remember?

[mtzfam]

Now showing down -.29 cents this morning-

Did we have any FV to add into the figure- or are we all even up this morning? Anybody remember?

should be even. James what's ur take on today n 4 d rest of d week.

[Robo5555]

No fv from last week.

[Jethro]

crude oil has slipped 1.7% to $94.30.
Just reported, October ISM Services came in at 55.8. Economists were expecting a reading of 54.0. A reading over 50 indicates expansion.

[Jethro]

S fund is now down 5.5% from its intramonth high.
The last time it hit this level, it bounced back 4%.

fwiw going to ride out the S, too late to bail now.

[James48843]

I'm now showing down .29 cents.


James what's ur take on today n 4 d rest of d week

My take on the rest of the week?

I have NO idea what-so-ever.

If you had asked me friday at noon, I would have said that I thought we were going to rebound on Monday.

Chrystal ball is now offically fogged up. Can't see a thing.

At this point, I already lost a bunch in "I" since last week, and I might as well just go along for the rollercoaster ride.

I still have a dozen or more years till retirement, so I am not going to bail out now.

Markets seem to be fighting this morning to recover some of their losses at the open. I figure by the end of this week, either we will have made some solid footing here, and headed back up, OR we plunge this week.

Who knows.....

[350zCommTech]

Down 25 cents.

[350zCommTech]

Good chance of a +FV today.

[Robo5555]

Good chance of a +FV today.

I see it coming.

[Jonathan]

OK, so has the cutoff time changed? Is it now 10:36 AM EST, or still 11:36 AM (EST)?

[350zCommTech]

OK, so has the cutoff time changed? Is it now 10:36 AM EST, or still 11:36 AM (EST)?

It's back to normal at 11:36 EST.

[Jonathan]

Looks like we're down quite a bit on the Dow from 11:36 EST. Still time for an afternoon rally, of course, though I think there are a lot of nervous people out there waiting for more shoes to drop.

[mario]

Dont know just how significant or how long lived this will be but it looks bad short term for china. Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said his government may delay allowing mainland investors to buy Hong Kong stocks.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&sid=aOZEefzp93Sk&refer=china

[charmed855]

Whoa - here come the buyers.

[Jethro]

Dont know just how significant or how long lived this will be but it looks bad short term for china. Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said his government may delay allowing mainland investors to buy Hong Kong stocks.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&sid=aOZEefzp93Sk&refer=china So far, no panic here.
gold (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/cq?s=AAUK,ABX,AEM,AU,DROOY,GFI,GG,GOLD,HMY,KGC,LIH R,MDG,NEM,^XAU&d=v1)

[350zCommTech]

MSCI EAFE = -.98% or -25 cents.

[ou81200]

Oh well---The damage could have been worse. How are we set up for tomorrow???

[McDuck]

MSCI EAFE = -.98% or -25 cents.

No fudging the numbers today.

11/05/07 I-fund -0.97% MSCI -0.98%

[frokker]

5 Nov

G 12.19
F 11.74
C 16.88
S 20.31
I 25.44

[350zCommTech]

5 Nov


You might want to do some editing for G and S funds.:)

[frokker]

You might want to do some editing for G and S funds.:)

whooops. corrected. ty

[James48843]

FINALLY!

We're getting a little bit of green tonight out of Japan.

Nikkei 300 now showing UPhttp://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif2.56(+0.80%) as of 9:32 pm.

Nice open.

[James48843]

See Dennis- isn't this fun?

After a while you learn to discipline yourself. Sometimes, after you have lost a lot of money, it may be better to just let it ride.

If you are lucky enough to make the right call and get out on a high, it's nice to buy back in at lower.

But if you screw up and fall down, (like I did last week), sometimes you just let it ride and hope for better times ahead.

Win some, lose some.

At least it is more exciting than just leaving it in the G fund all year. !

[merlin]

Nikkei down -17.36 at 11:48pm.

[James48843]

Europe has some nice splashes of green as well this morning, although Japan lost it's luster at the close.

And the dollar is weaker this morning, which is good for our "I".


Now showing the "I" as up .14 cents.
as of 5:51 a.m.

[Show-me]

European Central Bank Policy Meeting, Bank of England Policy Meeting on tap. Thursday will be the release of the BoE and ECB policy.

Anyone have a opinion?

[Robo5555]

Bet we have an overall green day today. Its buy in day for contribution alocations. Seems like we have a lot more green days than red on this day. So we pay a lil bit more for the shares.

[Boxholder]

European Central Bank Policy Meeting, Bank of England Policy Meeting on tap. Thursday will be the release of the BoE and ECB policy.

Anyone have a opinion?
From everything I have read, they are saying that there is a better than not chance that they will increase the ECB rates this time since they have increased inflation. They probably would have last time had not Ben cut our rate.

[Jethro]

OK History buffs, is this true?

``The dollar is no lower today than it was in 1997,'' Rosenberg wrote in a Nov. 2 research note. ``We don't remember that being a particular Armageddon-type time period.''
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aFm80TAo6kGw&refer=economies

The falling dollar isn't cause for alarm, according to David Rosenberg, chief North American economist at Merrill Lynch & Co. in New York.

[HAILSTORM]

OK History buffs, is this true?

``The dollar is no lower today than it was in 1997,'' Rosenberg wrote in a Nov. 2 research note. ``We don't remember that being a particular Armageddon-type time period.''
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aFm80TAo6kGw&refer=economies

The falling dollar isn't cause for alarm, according to David Rosenberg, chief North American economist at Merrill Lynch & Co. in New York.


If that was true, the Canadian Dollar wouldn't be worth more than ours!

[DCguy]

In 1997, I remember $1k canadian was worth only $600 US.

[DCguy]

and Mcdonalds cheeseburger was only $.30

[Jethro]

If that was true, the Canadian Dollar wouldn't be worth more than ours!


and Mcdonalds cheeseburger was only $.30LOL
So much for chief North American economists.

[350zCommTech]

Currently up 24 cents.

[fabijo]

OK History buffs, is this true?

``The dollar is no lower today than it was in 1997,'' Rosenberg wrote in a Nov. 2 research note. ``We don't remember that being a particular Armageddon-type time period.''
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aFm80TAo6kGw&refer=economies

The falling dollar isn't cause for alarm, according to David Rosenberg, chief North American economist at Merrill Lynch & Co. in New York.

He is right if you consider the dollar averaged against all currencies. But if you look at the dollar against major currencies, we are a good deal lower.

Here are the weighted dollar index values (against major currencies) for the past few days:


31-OCT-07 72.6281
1-NOV-07 72.6561
2-NOV-07 72.2171
5-NOV-07 72.1612


Here are the weighted dollar index values (against major currencies) for the lowest days in 1997:

2-JAN-97 88.7042
3-JAN-97 89.2399
6-JAN-97 89.1699
7-JAN-97 88.7306


I got the numbers here:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h10/summary/indexn96_b.txt

You can find more ways to look at the dollar here:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h10/summary/

[Jethro]

You can find more ways to look at the dollar...Wow, thanks fabijo nice to know someone has their glasses on strait. :)

[350zCommTech]

Up 18 cents.

[Griffin]

Are we into an FV yet?

PS - EAFE .77%

[350zCommTech]

Are we into an FV yet?

PS - EAFE .77%


Oh YEah....:)

[350zCommTech]

I funders, this is your lucky day...:D

[Show-me]

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/05/18/PH2006051801101.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:void(popitup('http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/postphotos/orb/asection/2006-05-21/index.html?imgId=PH2006051801109&imgUrl=/photo/2006/05/18/PH2006051801109.html',650,850)))

[DCguy]

sorry for asking a noob question here. If my money goes into tsp today, will it buy an I share at today's price, tomorrow's price or yesterday's price?

[350zCommTech]

sorry for asking a noob question here. If my money goes into tsp today, will it buy an I share at today's price, tomorrow's price or yesterday's price?

Tonight's price after 6:00pm central.

[Show-me]

sorry for asking a noob question here. If my money goes into tsp today, will it buy an I share at today's price, tomorrow's price or yesterday's price?

Todays closing price.

[tspgo_com]

I funders, this is your lucky day...:D

Does this sounds right to you?

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=129875&postcount=11

Thanks

[350zCommTech]

Does this sounds right to you?

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=129875&postcount=11

Thanks

Just using my eyeball, it could be more than that.:)

[tspgo_com]

Last I-Fund Share Price ==>> 25.44
Today % Change ==>> 0.77%
Current Share Price ==>> 25.64
FV Correction ==>>
Today FV (+ or -) ==>> 0.24
Today Expected I-Frund Share Price ==>> 25.88
Total Change ==>> 0.44

Final answer?

[350zCommTech]

Today FV (+ or -) ==>> 0.24
Today Expected I-Frund Share Price ==>> 25.88
Total Change ==>> 0.44

Final answer?

I have the +FV at 22 cents. Final price at 25.86.:)

[tspgo_com]

I have the +FV at 22 cents. Final price at 25.86.:)

Thanks. That's close enough for me.

Keep up the good work!

[350zCommTech]

Thanks. That's close enough for me.

Keep up the good work!

Thank you.

[RPM]

I have the +FV at 22 cents. Final price at 25.86.:)

Excellent! TYVM :D

[Griffin]

I have the +FV at 22 cents. Final price at 25.86.:)

That would be 1.65% about equivalent to the EFA's 1.51% - Outstanding!

[McDuck]

Last I-Fund Share Price ==>> 25.44
Today % Change ==>> 0.77%
Current Share Price ==>> 25.64
FV Correction ==>>
Today FV (+ or -) ==>> 0.24
Today Expected I-Frund Share Price ==>> 25.88
Total Change ==>> 0.44

Final answer?

$25.82

[350zCommTech]

$25.82

18 cents +FV.

They went conservative and used the EFA today. It proves that they like to keep up guessing.

[ATCHUNTman]

Nice day!

[350zCommTech]

What the h....The dollar just fell of a cliff.

Emergency rate cut??????

[Show-me]

What the h....The dollar just fell of a cliff.

Emergency rate cut??????

Armageddon.

[350zCommTech]

Armageddon.


I don't know yet, but by the looks of the other USD crosses, maybe somebody or something in the US just exploded? Maybe CFC? Nah...I'm just dreaming...:D

[Show-me]

This is starting to look real ugly for the U.S. as far as being the currency of choice. Commodity and currency is beating down the consumer right before the Christmas shopping season and the next bubble will be credit cards. Food inflation is running hard, $100 oil. Another rate cut or FED infusion of cash will not change a thing.......................It will make it worse.

[Show-me]

I'm showing a recovery on INO.com, but would like to know what the blip was. Is Japan dumping our worthless bonds that they are loosing money on?

[350zCommTech]

This is starting to look real ugly for the U.S. as far as being the currency of choice. Commodity and currency is beating down the consumer right before the Christmas shopping season and the next bubble will be credit cards. Food inflation is running hard, $100 oil. Another rate cut or FED infusion of cash will not change a thing.......................It will make it worse.

$4.00/gallon gas? or $5.00/gallon gas?

Please sign the petition if you haven't already done so..:)

[Show-me]

I'm going there now.

[350zCommTech]

I'm showing a recovery on INO.com, but would like to know what the blip was. Is Japan dumping our worthless bonds that they are loosing money on?


We probably won't find out until tomorrow morning or maybe a month from now, but if anybody is doing that, I would guess China. They did it back in June causing the F fund to tank.

The Nikkei won't like what has just happened, when they open after lunch.

[Show-me]

My chart just dropped of the screen. WOW!!! Learn Mandarin, resistance is futile.

http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX&v=s&w=1&t=l&a=0

[Show-me]

ATCJeff just posted this link.

Australia Central Bank Raises Rates

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=AP&Date=20071106&ID=7773454

[budnipper1]

We probably won't find out until tomorrow morning or maybe a month from now, but if anybody is doing that, I would guess China. They did it back in June causing the F fund to tank.

The Nikkei won't like what has just happened, when they open after lunch.

Chinese Comments Send U.S. Dollar Tumbling Against Major Currencies
4 minutes ago
(RTTNews) - The U.S. dollar fell to a new low against the Euro and also fell significantly against other major world currencies. The fall was partly attributed to a Chinese officials comments about foreign currency holdings. The greenback is trading at 1.4618 against the euro, 2.0921 vs. the British pound sterling, .9133 against the Canadian dollar and .9346 against the aussie.

The greenback has bounced back in the past 15 minutes following a "clarification" by the Chinese official.
http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=110620071700 (http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=110620071700)
For comments and feedback: contact editorial@rttnews.com

[Show-me]

Chinese Comments Send U.S. Dollar Tumbling Against Major Currencies
4 minutes ago
(RTTNews) - The U.S. dollar fell to a new low against the Euro and also fell significantly against other major world currencies. The fall was partly attributed to a Chinese officials comments about foreign currency holdings. The greenback is trading at 1.4618 against the euro, 2.0921 vs. the British pound sterling, .9133 against the Canadian dollar and .9346 against the aussie.

The greenback has bounced back in the past 15 minutes following a "clarification" by the Chinese official.
http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=110620071700 (http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=110620071700)
For comments and feedback: contact editorial@rttnews.com

Nice job! Is someone flexing a little muscle?

[350zCommTech]

Chinese Comments Send U.S. Dollar Tumbling Against Major Currencies
4 minutes ago
(RTTNews) - The U.S. dollar fell to a new low against the Euro and also fell significantly against other major world currencies. The fall was partly attributed to a Chinese officials comments about foreign currency holdings. The greenback is trading at 1.4618 against the euro, 2.0921 vs. the British pound sterling, .9133 against the Canadian dollar and .9346 against the aussie.

The greenback has bounced back in the past 15 minutes following a "clarification" by the Chinese official.
http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=110620071700 (http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=110620071700)
For comments and feedback: contact editorial@rttnews.com

OH....****!!!!!!

This is bad for bonds. As I said before, the last time they dump our bonds, back in June, the F fund took a big dump. Can you guess which fund I just went into?:mad:

[350zCommTech]

The Nikkei won't like what has just happened, when they open after lunch.

Check out the cliff dive on the Nikkei at the open of their second half.:D

[Jethro]

What The....
http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX&v=s&w=5&t=l&a=0 :worried:

[merlin]

Nikkei dropped to -136.03

[Boxholder]

European Central Bank Policy Meeting, Bank of England Policy Meeting on tap. Thursday will be the release of the BoE and ECB policy.

Anyone have a opinion?
Europe, U. K. expected to hold key interest rates steady on Thursday.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119437534473184179.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

[airlift]

Someone at CNBC worlwide is talking about Central Banks intervening to strengthen the dollar (either publicly or quietly). I don't know how this will impact the funds. Any views?

[350zCommTech]

Someone at CNBC worlwide is talking about Central Banks intervening to strengthen the dollar (either publicly or quietly). I don't know how this will impact the funds. Any views?

Was that just a guess on their part? Rumor?

The only way is to convince other countries to lower their interest rates, which would be bullish for the markets.

[airlift]

I suppose so.

[James48843]

Wow. Dollar takes a hit, and now futures down big.

"I" fund is showing it's UP seven cents right now- ONLY because the dollar tanked. The stock markets in Japan and Europe are showing lower- but the dollar's fall is offsetting. I'm going while the going's good.

I'm bailing out today- I'm TDY and can't watch any more today- so I am going while I can.

[hessian]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Show-me http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?p=129769#post129769)
European Central Bank Policy Meeting, Bank of England Policy Meeting on tap. Thursday will be the release of the BoE and ECB policy.
Anyone have a opinion?


Europe, U. K. expected to hold key interest rates steady on Thursday.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119437534473184179.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

Does anyone think this all might be a show...to get the BoE & ECB to LOWER interest rates?? Just thinking out loud here/just a guess, but isn't this all similar to the way "we" do it here in the US to get rate cuts (Institutions talk losses/spark fear)?? - BoE ECB rate cuts would have the effect of closing some of the gap btwn the Overseas vs US dollar, would it not??

[Show-me]

IMO, they can play games all they want and all it will do is make the problem worse. UK and EZ both have high inflation and growing economies. Lowering the rate will have a effect on the exchange rate but over heat the growth and inflation.

Is it effect or affect?

[Jonathan]

With the dollar dropping like a stone today, I'd think tomorrow could see a rebound, meaning the I-fund could be a bad deal tomorrow (especially if there's a late afternoon rally here).

[Robo5555]

This rollercoaster ride is not much fun at all.

[350zCommTech]

Currently down 5 cents, including a +FVC of 18 cents.

[350zCommTech]

Currently down 11 cents, including a +FVC of 18 cents.

[hessian]

This rollercoaster ride is not much fun at all.

You can say that again, Robo!
Sure hope this "thing" whatever it is, works itself out - early (this AM)!:blink::sick:

[350zCommTech]

Currently down 14 cents.

[easyrydr]

Which fund is everyone running off to?
and can I join in the chase to?

[Cortez]

You can say that again, Robo!
Sure hope this "thing" whatever it is, works itself out - early (this AM)!:blink::sick:

Agreed. Can't decide if this is a buyer's dip that will reverse later on or just a full breakdown that will retest lows from friday and monday.

[easyrydr]

If I moved my accounts around yesterday before 11:15 am EST, does that mean I will get what is calculated for that day or do I have to wait the 2 days for the account to show the true amounts?

[Cortez]

If I moved my accounts around yesterday before 11:15 am EST, does that mean I will get what is calculated for that day or do I have to wait the 2 days for the account to show the true amounts?

Typically a move before noon will take effect at the end of day 4pm price.

[easyrydr]

Well I moved all my shares around in to all the different funds yesterday but it only shows that I moved them into the I and S funds. Why is that?

[Cortez]

Well I moved all my shares around in to all the different funds yesterday but it only shows that I moved them into the I and S funds. Why is that?

So you got your Interfund Transfer but it did not distribute correctly?

[Show-me]

Anyone else see the FTSE chart. Is yahoo screwed up again?

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EFTSE&t=1d

[350zCommTech]

If I moved my accounts around yesterday before 11:15 am EST, does that mean I will get what is calculated for that day or do I have to wait the 2 days for the account to show the true amounts?

Please post these kind of questions in your account talk thread. Especially around this time, near the deadline.

Thanks

[RPM]

What's happening in Europe? It's just suddenly turning green again :) Go I!!

[easyrydr]

So you got your Interfund Transfer but it did not distribute correctly?
I distributed as so it would equal out to 100% in all funds but it does not show them that way.

[350zCommTech]

So you got your Interfund Transfer but it did not distribute correctly?


I distributed as so it would equal out to 100% in all funds but it does not show them that way.


I'll ask again...

Please post these kind of questions in your account talk thread. Especially around this time, near the deadline.

Thanks

[easyrydr]

Please post these kind of questions in your account talk thread. Especially around this time, near the deadline.

Thanks

Sure and very sorry about that.

[350zCommTech]

Anyone else see the FTSE chart. Is yahoo screwed up again?

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EFTSE&t=1d


What's happening in Europe? It's just suddenly turning green again :) Go I!!

It's messed up everywhere. My final estimate is down 14 cents.

[nnuut]

FTSE chart +.21
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$FTSE&p=D&yr=0&mn=9&dy=0&id=p41413033978

[350zCommTech]

FTSE chart +.21
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$FTSE&p=D&yr=0&mn=9&dy=0&id=p41413033978

I see that but I don't believe it since the rest of Europe didn't move up with them.

We need somebody in the UK to confirm. What about CNBC? Anybody have it on? CNBC should have mentioned the FTSE closing price at 1100 central.

[Boxholder]

Wallstreet's chart shows U.K. FTSE up +37.50 at this time.

[350zCommTech]

Wallstreet's chart shows U.K. FTSE up +37.50 at this time.

Stole this from tickerforum.org.



LSE extends closing auction due to data problems Wed
Nov 7, 2007 4:44 PM GMT

LONDON, Nov 7 (Reuters) - The London Stock Exchange said on Wednesday it was extending its closing auction due to problems with data dissemination.
"We're going to extend the closing auction," an LSE spokesman said, adding that trading systems were operating normally but that there were problems with the interactive gateway, which is used to disseminate data to the market.
http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=allBreakingNews&storyID=2007-11-07T164400Z_01_L07100581_RTRIDST_0_LSE-CLOSE-URGENT.XML

[12%ayear]

Morgan Stanley May Be Next to Write Down Assets http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/bu...l?ref=business (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/business/07morgan.html?ref=business) http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...WzI&refer=home (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=axg.wjYzfWzI&refer=home) Bloomberg) -- Morgan Stanley may be the next big Wall Street firm to post losses on mortgage-related securities, writing down their value by as much as $6 billion, said David Trone, an analyst at Fox-Pitt Kelton Cochran Caronia Waller.
__________________

[12%ayear]

just out... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119445202560685328.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Fed's Lacker Says Policy Is Just Right

[12%ayear]

CHICAGO, Nov 7 (Reuters) - Six in 10 U.S. consumers say a recession is likely in the next three to six months, according to a survey on holiday spending released on Wednesday. http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...N-UPDATE-1.XML (http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2007-11-07T132626Z_01_N07486633_RTRIDST_0_RETAIL-RECESSION-UPDATE-1.XML) Wall Street firms see recession nearing http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/...ECONOMY-DC.XML (http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&storyID=2007-11-06T093547Z_01_N05540668_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESS-FINANCE-SUMMIT-ECONOMY-DC.XML)

[350zCommTech]

just out... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119445202560685328.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Fed's Lacker Says Policy Is Just Right

What a F#@$%% IDIOT! They're all idiots...

[wv-girl]

What a F#@$%% IDIOT! They're all idiots...
Hmmm. I wonder if they are allowed to own stocks? I would not think so since it would be a conflict of interest to line their own pockets. Anyone know?

tia
Debbie

[CountryBoy]

Hmmm. I wonder if they are allowed to own stocks? I would not think so since it would be a conflict of interest to line their own pockets. Anyone know?

tia
Debbie

Their holdings are probably in trusts, but I did read a while back that Burknuckle is a Mutual Funds guy.

And yeah they need to learn to keep their mouths shut.

CB

[wv-girl]

LOL....look a the line....:nuts::laugh:Who said that? Fed slacker?
Good catch. Now THAT is funny!!!:D

[Silverbird]

just out... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119445202560685328.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Fed's Lacker Says Policy Is Just Right
Great, now we've got the Fed Porridge Tester saying the policy is juuusssttt right :) to go with the Fed Cheerleader trying to cheer oil prices down. :nuts: I guess it's safer than trying to figure out what to do with interest reates.:blink:

[350zCommTech]

MSCI = .19% or -13 cents, including an 18 cents +FVC.

[GGal]

FWIW, IMHO, the market is simply too volatile to be jumping in and out.....I'm still waiting for the end of the year rally (I hope not in vain).....seriously, who can time this market? Let me know, and we'll bottle him and sell him (or her).

GGAL

[12%ayear]

FWIW, IMHO, the market is simply too volatile to be jumping in and out.....I'm still waiting for the end of the year rally (I hope not in vain).....seriously, who can time this market? Let me know, and we'll bottle him and sell him (or her).

GGAL
It is getting really bad. I also thought we were on the road to a huge rally. Bottom-line, the economy is in serious trouble. Recession defines this. Next stage is layoffs. Homebuilders,retailers,and banks are hurting big-time. No reason for the public to go out and spend $$$. The FED is also in trouble, they cannot keep on cutting or we will have the PESO worth more than the USA. I am G FUNDING IT!!!

[12%ayear]

I'll bet there will be some sort of positive spin put out before the end of next week...re-calculated September/October figures to make things look rosy again so consumers will use their plastic for holiday spending. How much longer is the public going to fall for this, when they've been feeling the hurt in their pockets for two years? Of course, there's the underground economy of illegal immigrants pumping some cash into the economy, so maybe it won't be so bad.:rolleyes:
On guard against recession http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/International__Business/On_guard_against_recession/articleshow/2523464.cms

[350zCommTech]

FV situation:

1) If they go the conservative route like yesterday, it's a -27 FV + -13 = -40 cents total.

2) If they go aggressive, it's a -43 FV + - 13 = -56 cents total.

I'll bet on number 2.

[12%ayear]

Holy smokes.....Futures are ugly....NASDAQ-27.00 or-1.24% and SP-15.20 or-1.03% capitulation might occur tomorrow, if any one confesses like Morgan Stanley it will be another huge sell-off

[James48843]

Nasty days ahead.

I fear the breakdown below 1490 on the S&P in the last hour today bodes bad news for the days ahead.

I feel lucky I bailed out today. Will lick my wounds, and wait for a better opportunity to buy back in.

[12%ayear]

Breaking News.......Morgan Stanley to Take $2.5B Writedown http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071107/morga...ey_losses.html (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071107/morgan_stanley_losses.html)

[12%ayear]

Holy smokes.....Futures are ugly....NASDAQ-27.00 or-1.24% and SP-15.20 or-1.03% capitulation might occur tomorrow, if any one confesses like Morgan Stanley it will be another huge sell-off
They just confessed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ............Breaking News.......Morgan Stanley to Take $2.5B Writedown http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071107/morga...ey_losses.html (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071107/morgan_stanley_losses.html)

[sugarandspice]

Closing PRICE $25.29. Down 53 cents.

[budnipper1]

G even
F even
C -.49 (-2.87%)
S -.52 ( -2.53%)
I -.53 (-2.05%)

[James48843]

ouch.

[James48843]

Japan nosedive-

Opens down big.

Japan now showing down

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/down_r.gif 7.19 (-2.28%)

as of 8:55 p.m.

[Show-me]

Room for nothing but improvement. LOL

[eccougar]

Now down 2.75%.

[350zCommTech]

Closing PRICE $25.29. Down 53 cents.

That's a -40 FV.

[James48843]

All overseas markets showing blood red- Except FSTE.

Is the FSTE on Yahoo still screwed up? Or is it really green?

[easyrydr]

Does this mean that I bailed at the rite time to the G fund? Whewwww......
I guess I will go back to bed and dream of what could of been.

[Show-me]

I got green for the DAX and FTSE on both Yahoo and CNN. So far so good for the kitty.

[Show-me]

Waiting for BoE and ECB to make the call.

[DCguy]

hm.. showing green to me..

[Robo5555]

Another rollercoaster week so far. Does not want to let up.

[offtrack]

Waiting for BoE and ECB to make the call.


both held interest rates

[350zCommTech]

Currently up 16 cents, including a -40 FVC.

[350zCommTech]

Currently up 18 cents, including a -40 FVC.

The 200 held on the Dow. Japan and the rest of Asia should rebound tonight. I don't want to deal with a +FV, so I'll avoid the I fund for tomorrow.

[350zCommTech]

Up 15 cents.

[camper65]

(Mr. B has his head up his ---------!)
There is a word for this, Now I don't know what that word is, All I remember is that it starts with a "D", ends with a " B" and there is a " U M " inbetween!

[sugarandspice]

EAFE down .97%