How low can it go??

[Pilgrim]

Attached spreadsheet for DWCP year to date, as of yesterday. Index is at about 587 at time of this post.

[FundSurfer]

Look a little further back and you'll see another trend. We are at the bottom of the current trading channel. I think we will likely bounce from here, but if we don't look for us to head to the next tradig channel lower.

[Pilgrim]

Can somebody clear something up: What is the difference between DWCP and DWCPF?? These two always differ a little. DWCPF is what shows on the YAHOO page we link to, but both CNN Money and Marketwatch find that no such symbol exists while YAHOO says that there is no info for DWCP. I like Marketwatch because it lets me set up a default portfolio and those symbols show in a sidebar with live return that updates every few seconds, but I can only get DWCP, not DWCPF. Which best tracks our S fund and where do we monitor it?

[Pilgrim]

Anyone know why YAHOO restricts charts and data for DWCPF to 5 days?? Every other offering gives data back as far as five years. Has anyone seen an explanation anywhere?

[tsptalk]

I don't know why that is. And I'm not exactly sure of the dwcp and dwcpf difference. Sorry - Not much help, but I wanted to respond.

[James48843]

That "S" fund being first out of the box for recovery is an interesting theroy.

This may be the place to be for the next week or so.

I may move more into "S" as the market shakes off the recent downside.

[Spaf]

Reply - Two items, somewhat hear-say>

Been told that there is a lot of spy-ware over there at Yahoo. So I've been shying away from that site. True or untrue??

Small caps may not have the baggage larger caps do. It's a small business vs big business thing. Think of it as GM having to feed the thousands of VPs plus transportation costs, etc., etc.

[Griffin]

Can somebody clear something up: What is the difference between DWCP and DWCPF?? These two always differ a little. DWCPF is what shows on the YAHOO page we link to, but both CNN Money and Marketwatch find that no such symbol exists while YAHOO says that there is no info for DWCP. I like Marketwatch because it lets me set up a default portfolio and those symbols show in a sidebar with live return that updates every few seconds, but I can only get DWCP, not DWCPF. Which best tracks our S fund and where do we monitor it?

Pilgrim, I recently stumbled upon the answer. The difference is that the DWCPF is a float adjusted index versus the DWCP is a full capitilazation index both of the Dow Jones Wilshire 4500. In english, it's easier to describe by example: if Company A and Company B each have ten million shares in existence and Company C has 20 million shares then under the full capitilzation index, company C will have twice the weight as A and B and A and B will have the same weight. Under a free float index, the weighting is a function of the number of shares available, so if company A is sitting on 50% of it's stock and company B is sitting on 60% of it's stock, company A will have greater weight. The S-fund is based on the floating index according to the fund sheet at TSP.gov

The DWCPF is the more accurate index to follow. I still don't know the answer to the Yahoo question, bugs the hell out me too.:)

[Pilgrim]

Pilgrim, I recently stumbled upon the answer. The difference is that the DWCPF is a float adjusted index versus the DWCP is a full capitilazation index both of the Dow Jones Wilshire 4500. In english, it's easier to describe by example: if Company A and Company B each have ten million shares in existence and Company C has 20 million shares then under the full capitilzation index, company C will have twice the weight as A and B and A and B will have the same weight. Under a free float index, the weighting is a function of the number of shares available, so if company A is sitting on 50% of it's stock and company B is sitting on 60% of it's stock, company A will have greater weight. The S-fund is based on the floating index according to the fund sheet at TSP.gov

The DWCPF is the more accurate index to follow. I still don't know the answer to the Yahoo question, bugs the hell out me too.:)

Thanks Griffin. This is what makes this board so great. I looked everywhere for that and didn't find it. A hundred heads are better than one!

[Pilgrim]

Support for the S&P is at 1245. If we want to buy at support, where is it for DWCP??

[FundSurfer]

I see 3 possible support levels for the S-fund. $16.80 (retest of previous lows and where we are about now), $16.50 and $16.00. See attached chart.

Just my best wild guess.

[FUTURESTRADER]

Support for the S&P is at 1245. If we want to buy at support, where is it for DWCP??

DWCPF support..maybe todays close??...562.93, if not, wed, 5/24 close 559.02. 5/24 closes on most indices is support that needs to hold

DWCP support..todays close, 567.21, 5/24 close 563.23

5/30 close might offer some support in between

[Rod]

My my... where's ALL my buds in (S)???:D

This one may outperform them all today when prices are posted any minute!:cool:

[Robo5555]

yesterday was an awesome day for the S fund and all other stock funds. Hope this pony rides for a while

[Birchtree]

Has the shift arrived?
From TWSJ 6/19 by Alistair MacDonald.

Stock-market turmoil has claimed victims the world over, but some of the worst damage has been suffered by small companies'shares, which had seen the biggest run-ups in recent years. Some strategists now are calling time on the five-year bull run in small companies' stocks, as interest rate rises world-wide crimp their borrowing and prompt investors to reduce the risk in their portfolios.

Since the start of 2003, so-called small-cap stocks have soared. The Russell 2000, which tracks smaller U.S. companies, had doubled by the time it hit its peak in May, compared with a rise of 64% in the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Europe's DJ Stoxx small and midcap indexes rose 113% and 125%, respectively, compared with a 43% rise in the large-capitalization stocks over the same period. But since May 9, the reverse has happened, with small and midcap indexes in the U.S. and Europe posting double-digit declines while the Dow industrials have dropped 5.4%. What you've seen over the kast month is a shift that favors big stocks over smaller ones.

The fate of small stocks is part of a broader trend of investors bailing out of riskier assets. Investors are selling off the stocks that made them most money. In some places, smaller stocks have been suffering for a while. In Japan, small stocks have underperformed for much of the year; the Tokyo Stock Exchange's Mothers small-cap index has slumped 43%. Declines in Japanese technology stocks heralded the global collapse in the technology investment bubble in 2000, and some strategists say the fall in Japanese small caps now signals the end of the smaller company bull market.

Just thought I'd share this with you S fund lovers. If I could see a $15.00 price on the S fund I would be tempted to bite that apple myself.

[Birchtree]

Bite the apple - you crazy!

Although a price of $16.11 brings us right back to the June low of $16.10. The recovery took the price to $17.34 before correcting back for the retest - and here we are. Time for the S fund game to start again.

[vectorman]

Bite the apple - you crazy!

Although a price of $16.11 brings us right back to the June low of $16.10. The recovery took the price to $17.34 before correcting back for the retest - and here we are. Time for the S fund game to start again.

With the belief that Fed will finally pause, the S fund has some catching up to do. POP^, POP^, POP^.....

[vectorman]

With the belief that Fed will finally pause, the S fund has some catching up to do. POP^, POP^, POP^.....


How about that S fund Tommmm.:D

[tsptalk]

Nice V-man!