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teknobucks
03-21-2006, 10:11 AM
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/taylor/taylor031706.html


ron paul is an incredible fellow who does not fit into the mold of the typical washington politician at all.

guy goes right to the heart of every issue...no one in dc likes him. he is driven by logic not special interests!

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=90
http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=1246
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html

gotta love a guy who ran as a republican while the republican party supported his democratic opponent...LOL
the man is educated, down to earth, and right on top of the issues.

teknobucks
03-21-2006, 07:47 PM
Just a reminder of what kind of quality folks dc attracts...lol

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060321/ap_on_go_co/congressman_bribery

Ok off my political soapbox now.

Dave M
03-22-2006, 05:47 AM
I always thought the Great Depression was caused by a lack of cash money, forcing investors to resort to credit = margin accounts. Thus the cascading downward trend once it began and the credit ran out. Today, money is plentiful and easy so that worry does not exist. How does gold fit into that?

Dave

teknobucks
03-22-2006, 08:09 AM
hello wx dave!
you are correct, however many additional root causes seem to be implicated.

overall the lack of faith in the system breeding panic resulted.

dr paul along with many others is concerned that a "fiat" money supply in concert with a lack of monetary discretion has put us out on the limb once again. i do not believe we could ever tie the dollar back into a precious metal such as gold, but the fed's approach to monetizing our economy with this print and go like the day will never come when it all comes due has folks very scared.
the US fed, g8 central banks, and the imf all are pumping liquidity on a global basis. (counterfeiting is OK for the big banks and govts :) ). congressman is right the total lack of any responsible approach to debt is problematic to say the least.
most of us all know and accept the fact we have pumped our way thru many economic crises...it is the speed and furry of it all over the last few years that boggles the mind. yes our tangibles (stox, real estate, commodities) go up in price but not in value.




************************************************** ********
Political Perspectives on Causes and Cures of the great depression......
Economists do not agree on what caused the depression or what prolonged it.

The Stock Market Crash to blame
Most people at the time and since blame the stock market crash. The timing was right; the magnitude of the shock to expectations of future prosperity was high. The market was in a bubble with prices far too high compared to the real economy. Economists agree that somehow it shared some blame--but how much no one has estimated. Milton Friedman concluded, "I don't doubt for a moment that the collapse of the stock market in 1929 played a role in the initial recession"

Macroeconomists: debt to blame
Ben Bernanke has revived the debt-deflation view of the Great Depression originated by Arthur Cecil Pigou and Irving Fisher. People who are seriously in debt when a price deflation occurs are in serious trouble and risk default, perhaps bringing down their banks with them.

Trade Decline; Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act to blame
Many economists at the time argued that the sharp decline in international trade after 1930 helped to worsen the depression. .

Most historians and economists assign the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 part of the blame for worsening the depression by reducing international trade and causing retaliation.

In dollar terms American exports declined from $5.2 billion in 1929 to $1.7 billion in 1933; but prices also fell so the physical volume of exports did not decline as much. Hardest hit were farm commodities such as wheat, cotton, tobacco, and lumber.

Monetarism: Federal reserve to blame
Milton Friedman and Ben Bernanke stress the negative role of the Federal Reserve System. It cut the money supply by one-third from 1929 to 1932. There was much less money to go around, businessmen could not get new loans--and could not even get their old loans renewed. They had to stop investing. Not because they did not want to (as the Keynesian model said), but because banks could not lend them the money they needed. This interpretation blames the government and calls for a much more careful Federal Reserve policy. Bernanke became the Chairman of the Federal Reserve System in 2006. Friedman argues that: [A Program for Monetary Stability (1960) pp 18-19]

"The serious fault of the Federal Reserve dates from the end of 1930, when a series of bank failures... changed the monetary character of the contraction. Prior to that date, there was no sign of a liquidity crisis--the ratio of currency to deposits was relatively stable or falling. From then on, the economy was plagued by recurrent liquidity crises. A wave of bank failures would taper down for a while, and then start up again as a few dramatic failures or other events produced a new loss of confidence in the banking system and a new series of runs on banks

The Far Left: capitalism to blame
The revolutionary left, including some socialists, together with communists and anarchists, saw the Great Depression as the beginning of capitalism's final collapse. Their remedy was to build up their movements to take over the labor unions, and perhaps eventually the government.

New Dealers: Business to Blame
Roosevelt and most of the New Dealers primarily blamed the excesses of big business for causing an unstable bubble-like economy.

Keynesianism: public behaviour to blame
The British economist John Maynard Keynes coined the term "the paradox of thrift" to describe the deepening of the Great Depression after 1929. The paradox of thrift indicates that when people decide to save more this may end up causing people to save less. The increased savings (reduced spending) due to the panic following the stock market crash of 1929 left markets saturated, contributing to price deflation, perpetuating the Great Depression. When people decided to save more (spend less) businesses responded by cutting back on production and laying off workers. Businesses, cutting back on investment spending because they were pessimistic about the future as well, were also doing their share of causing a reduction in aggregate expenditures, reducing their investments, setting in motion a dangerous cycle: less investment, fewer jobs, less consumption and even less reason for business to invest.


The New Deal and Keynesian economics
In the early 1930s, before John Maynard Keynes wrote The General Theory, he was advocating public works programs and deficits as a way to get the British economy out of the Depression.

As the Depression wore on, Franklin D. Roosevelt tried public works, farm subsidies and other devices to restart the economy, but he never completely gave up trying to balance the budget. As a result, unemployment remained high throughout the New Deal years; consumption, investment, and net exports-- the pillars of economic growth-- remained low. With fiscal policy, however, government could provide the needed increased spending by decreasing taxes, increasing government spending, increasing individuals' incomes. As individuals incomes would increase, they would spend more. As they spent more, the multiplier effect would take over and expand the effect on the initial spending. Expansionary fiscal policy thus involves decreasing taxes or increasing government spending to counteract cyclical unemployment and slow growth during a recession.

It was World War II, not the New Deal, that finally ended the crisis. Nor did the New Deal substantially alter the distribution of power within American capitalism; and it had only a small impact on the distribution of wealth among the American people.

Keynes's visit to the White House in 1934 to urge President Roosevelt to do more deficit spending was a debacle. A dazed, overwhelmed Roosevelt complained to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, "He left a whole rigmarole of figures-- he must be a mathematician rather than a political economist." Keynes, equally frustrated with the encounter, later told Secretary Perkins that he had "supposed the President was more literate, economically speaking."


The recession of 1937 and recovery
The Roosevelt administration was under assault during FDR's second term, which presided over a new dip in the Great Depression in the fall of 1937 that continued through most of 1938. Production declined sharply, as did profits and employment. Unemployment jumped from 14.3% in 1937 to 19.0% in 1938. It was, in the largest measure, a result of a premature effort by the administration to balance the budget by reducing federal spending.

The administration reacted by launching a rhetorical campaign against monopoly power, which was cast as the cause of the new dip. The president appointed an aggressive new direction of the antitrust division of the Justice Department, but this effort lost its effectiveness once World War II, a far more pressing concern, began.

But the administration's other response to the 1937 deepening of the Great Depression had more tangible results. Ignoring the vitriolic pleas of the Treasury Department and responding to the urgings of the converts to Keynesian economics and others in his administration, Roosevelt embarked on an antidote to the depression, reluctantly abandoning his efforts to balance the budget and launching a $5 billion spending program in the spring of 1938, an effort to increase mass purchasing power. The New Deal had in fact engaged in deficit spending since 1933, but it was apologetic about it, because a rise in the national debt was opposite of what the Democratic party had always preached. Now they had a theory to justify what they were doing. Roosevelt explained his program in a fireside chat in which he finally acknowledged that it was therefore up to the government to "create an economic upturn" by making "additions to the purchasing power of the nation."

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fabijo
11-02-2007, 02:35 AM
Go, Ron Paul!

Teknobucks, you were way ahead of the Ron Paul bandwagon. I only joined it late by accident. I was browsing Youtube earlier this year when I stumbled on a video of him. WOW! That's all I could think. He immediately had my vote.

The sad thing is that most people still seem to not even know who he is.

FundSurfer
11-02-2007, 07:26 AM
Ron Paul's problem is that he sometimes comes across as a whacko. I like what he says sometimes. Unfortunitely there is too much whacko material out there that if he did start gaining some momentum, his opponents could chew him up with it. I think that is really why he isn't getting the donations needed to run a campaign with a chance. Big money donors know he doesn't really have a shot.

Show-me
11-02-2007, 07:39 AM
I remember the Ross Perot elections and the odd way he was able to straight talk to the public and the public still could not hear because of the obvious non-cookie cutter mold that Ross did not fit in.

Are we that afraid of having some one that is a little wacky on the surface to be our President. We elected a C student and look were that got us. Not exactly the cream of the crop in the White House now.

“That loud sucking noise you hear is the sound of American jobs going south to Mexico.” Ross Perot

James48843
11-02-2007, 11:03 AM
Ross Perot was the last real third party type guy who I think really had a shot at it. John Anderson in 80 had a shot (I voted for him), and then Ross Perot in 92, were the only 3rd party guys who had real national campaigns and double-digit results.

Ross blew it in 92 about three months before the election when one day he said, after being attacked by both republicans and democrats, that he didn't have to put up with that crap, and he was dropping out of the race. I couldn't believe my ears! That ruined his credibility -Then a couple days later he decided to stay in. That didn't help.

After that- the two parties got together and decided they would set up debate rules between themselves to ensure that no third candidate ever again would get airplay or be on stage with them. End of outside challenges.

So people like Ralph Nader never stood a chance of having his ideas heard. Nor Ron Paul, when he ran as a Libertarian Candidate. Republicans and Democrats wouldn't let any of them on stage with an open debate.

FUTURESTRADER
11-02-2007, 01:49 PM
Ross blew it in 92 about three months before the election when one day he said, after being attacked by both republicans and democrats, that he didn't have to put up with that crap, and he was dropping out of the race. I couldn't believe my ears! That ruined his credibility -Then a couple days later he decided to stay in. That didn't help.
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His choice of running mate was unfortunate. A General or Admiral? That guy really came off as whacky. I voted 'Ross for Boss' anyway to 'send a message' :)

Show-me
11-02-2007, 07:21 PM
His choice of running mate was unfortunate. A General or Admiral? That guy really came off as whacky. I voted 'Ross for Boss' anyway to 'send a message' :)

Wow, I almost completely purged him from my memory. :nuts:

fabijo
11-04-2007, 01:13 AM
I think that is really why he isn't getting the donations needed to run a campaign with a chance. Big money donors know he doesn't really have a shot.

He's getting plenty of donations, but he refuses to accept donations from interest groups. So that pretty much rules out the huge donations.

saturneptune
11-09-2007, 09:42 AM
I am not very political, but this is the first President in my life that is inept in every area of governing, from foreign policy, to economics, to border control, to helping the middle class, to creation of meaningful jobs, to helping more realize the American dream in general. It is time for him and his retarted Vice President to leave.

Miss_Piggy
11-09-2007, 10:33 AM
Ron Paul, Bernanke, Congressional Economic Committee >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAwvlDJgJbM

VirginiaBob
11-09-2007, 11:18 AM
I am not very political, but this is the first President in my life that is inept in every area of governing, from foreign policy, to economics, to border control, to helping the middle class, to creation of meaningful jobs, to helping more realize the American dream in general. It is time for him and his retarted Vice President to leave.

You must be only 7 years old then.

charmed855
11-09-2007, 01:14 PM
You must be only 7 years old then.

...and already has a TSP account! My kids are slackers! :laugh:

budnipper1
11-09-2007, 04:37 PM
I am not very political, but this is the first President in my life that is inept in every area of governing, from foreign policy, to economics, to border control, to helping the middle class, to creation of meaningful jobs, to helping more realize the American dream in general. It is time for him and his retarted Vice President to leave.

Nixon? Carter? CLINTON???

robo
11-09-2007, 05:56 PM
I am not very political, but this is the first President in my life that is inept in every area of governing, from foreign policy, to economics, to border control, to helping the middle class, to creation of meaningful jobs, to helping more realize the American dream in general. It is time for him and his retarted Vice President to leave.

I agree and I voted for him twice. Now, who do we put into office next? I'm not very excited about any candidate on either side of the isle.

poolman
11-09-2007, 05:58 PM
I agree and I voted for him twice. Now, who do we put into office next? I'm not very excited about any candidate on either side of the isle.

I did not vote for him. He xxxxxx sucks xxx. And Clinton was the best out of all 4.:worried:

Tempest
11-09-2007, 08:57 PM
I was talking to someone while walking to lunch the other day.
Man I was on a tear [if I do say so myself] blah,blah,blah...
basically I told this woman back in the early 1960's ('61 or '62 thereabouts) my father-a lowly E-6 in the U.S. Army was able to pay for a new car, buy a house and save enough to put me through colleges (I was the only child, lazy in school and thus no scholarship.). My late mother aside from a few small jobs was a housewife (and a Great mom). I suppose we were part of the lower middle class. We didn't get a color TV till 1972. And you had to get up to change the channel.
Credit cards? Ha!!!! I still remember my dad coming home on pay day (they paid you in cash in the US Army back in the day) and he would put the money on the dining room table. She would collect it and I can close my eyes and still hear her say in her German accent "now this is for commissary (food), we'll set this aside (savings) here....." He made the money-my mom managed it. I got what I wanted-sometimes -other times -"We [we?] don't need that" "Get it out of your mind"

Fast forward about 40+ years later.

You know any couple with one income, a stay at home mom (or dad) who can put a down payment on a house AND put -at least-one kid-through college- while not being knee deep up to their eyeballs in debt?
How about a home equity loan for that Big screen TV, 4-wheeler and trip to Europe?

We blew it.

Those days are NOT COMING BACK.

No matter what party you vote for.

nnuut
11-09-2007, 09:30 PM
I did not vote for him. He xxxxxx sucks xxx. And Clinton was the best out of all 4.:worried:
Hey, you said the "C" word!!!:embarrest:

Show-me
11-10-2007, 06:41 AM
I think Tempest nailed it. No matter which party you vote for we, the little people, are screwed. Dem's and Repub's are all members of the same Country Club behind the scenes.

I voted for Bush and what a disappointment he has been. History will not be kind to him.

A war in Iraq that was later found to be unjustified because of bad intelligence and the guy in charge of the intelligence agency gets a medal and a fat retirement. BRILLIANT!


Soaring inflation.
Weak dollar.
Increasing dependence on oil.
A over whelming National debt.
Additional debt from the Medicare Prescription plan we can not afford.
No reform for Social Security.
A load of veteran in the system and poor service for them.
The start of the Baby Boomer's retiring.
Immigration................nothing.
Manufacturing base is gone to China.
Created another agency called Homeland Security.Can someone tell me what he did that was great and don't say the war. The guy that is the ring leader is still at large.

Wait he sent us that tax refund check after he was elected. I forgot about that. Gone to inflation! Hell he vetoed the bill to upgrade the lock system on the Mississippi because it was to costly. LOL Veto OVERRIDE!!! IDIOT!

Please someone send me a list of the great things he has done as President and you can not use protect the American people from terrorist.

And, I will add that all of our current front runners suck, IMO.

budnipper1
11-10-2007, 07:54 AM
I think Tempest nailed it. No matter which party you vote for we, the little people, are screwed. Dem's and Repub's are all members of the same Country Club behind the scenes.

I voted for Bush and what a disappointment he has been. History will not be kind to him.

Please someone send me a list of the great things he has done as President and you can not use protect the American people from terrorist.

And, I will add that all of our current front runners suck, IMO.
#1 on my list: Bush defeated JOHN KERRY!
Can you imagine how SCREWED we'd be if Kerry had won?????

#2 - Saddam Hussein is now taking a DIRT NAP, thanks to George "Dubya"

#3 - So far, no complaints from the White House INTERNS!!!:D

But, I am also dissappointed in Bush's lack of leadership and inability to fix the illegal immigration problem. He is finished and I'm ready for somebody else to take the reins. ANYBODY, BUT NOT ANOTHER CLINTON!:mad:

charmed855
11-10-2007, 08:25 AM
#1 on my list: Bush defeated JOHN KERRY!
Can you imagine how SCREWED we'd be if Kerry had won?????

Not to menion Al Gore. We'd be paying carbon off-sets just to take a crap!

CountryBoy
11-10-2007, 10:52 AM
I was talking to someone while walking to lunch the other day.
Man I was on a tear [if I do say so myself] blah,blah,blah...
basically I told this woman back in the early 1960's ('61 or '62 thereabouts) my father-a lowly E-6 in the U.S. Army was able to pay for a new car, buy a house and save enough to put me through colleges (I was the only child, lazy in school and thus no scholarship.). My late mother aside from a few small jobs was a housewife (and a Great mom). I suppose we were part of the lower middle class. We didn't get a color TV till 1972. And you had to get up to change the channel.
Credit cards? Ha!!!! I still remember my dad coming home on pay day (they paid you in cash in the US Army back in the day) and he would put the money on the dining room table. She would collect it and I can close my eyes and still hear her say in her German accent "now this is for commissary (food), we'll set this aside (savings) here....." He made the money-my mom managed it. I got what I wanted-sometimes -other times -"We [we?] don't need that" "Get it out of your mind"

Fast forward about 40+ years later.

You know any couple with one income, a stay at home mom (or dad) who can put a down payment on a house AND put -at least-one kid-through college- while not being knee deep up to their eyeballs in debt?
How about a home equity loan for that Big screen TV, 4-wheeler and trip to Europe?

We blew it.

Those days are NOT COMING BACK.

No matter what party you vote for.


I know one couple, me. Wife stayed home to raise our one child, cause we didn't want to source the raising out. I did it working for the Feds also. And I was raised just like you, from the sound of what your childhood was like.

We got everything you mentioned above, no credit card debt, child in college. I really don't understand why more people can't do it, unless they just live way beyond there means. So I have no sympathy for people who think they DESERVE handouts from the government. Let'im work for it, like I had to. I'm sick to death of all the whiners and complainers. Take the fricking thumb outta your mouth and deal with it.

Sorry for the rant, I don't normally do this, but I'm so sick and tired of people bad mouthing America. And this wasn't directed to Tempest in particular, I just could meet his requirements of a one income family making it life without taking handouts form the gov't.

Oh yeah I wonder if I can get any carbon credits for my farm, I'm looking to sell the to get in on this carbon credit scam. :)

CB

Show-me
11-10-2007, 11:09 AM
#1 on my list: Bush defeated JOHN KERRY!
Can you imagine how SCREWED we'd be if Kerry had won?????

#2 - Saddam Hussein is now taking a DIRT NAP, thanks to George "Dubya"

#3 - So far, no complaints from the White House INTERNS!!!:D

But, I am also dissappointed in Bush's lack of leadership and inability to fix the illegal immigration problem. He is finished and I'm ready for somebody else to take the reins. ANYBODY, BUT NOT ANOTHER CLINTON!:mad:

I'll defiantly give you number one. That's worth 50% in my book. I new there was something that could redeem him somewhat.

Number three is a no brainer.

Number two I feel very neutral about. Ya he's dead and he deserves it, but there are a lot of leaders that should be dead with him. Kim Jong Il, Hugo Chavez, Putin, etc. My point is we spent a lot of lives and money getting this guy only to find out that he was really a toothless lion.

I suppose given the choices that we had, he was it. The "C" student. :(

Tempest
11-10-2007, 11:49 AM
No offense CountryBoy. Your rare.
You can take that to the bank.

CountryBoy
11-10-2007, 12:08 PM
No offense CountryBoy. Your rare.
You can take that to the bank.

And my rant was no way directed at you or anyone. I'm just sick and tired of the politics and liars who call themselves politicians. :D

CB

nnuut
11-10-2007, 12:55 PM
I like you guys, my wife was a stay at home Mom and still is. If you're smart you can make it on one salary, depends where you live, but where you live is your decision. I wouldn't live in a high cost area, it's unfortunate that some have to.:cool:

Callme_CO
11-10-2007, 03:53 PM
I do believe Bush is one of the worse presidents in out countries history. that's all i'm going to say about that.

CountryBoy
11-11-2007, 07:19 AM
Yeah I just yearn for those good old Carter days. :laugh:

On a more worthwhile note, I just want to give my thanks and respect to the men and women that made the ultimate sacrifice, which provides us with the freedom and security to have such a great country. Amen

CB

saturneptune
11-15-2007, 05:47 PM
You must be only 7 years old then.
No, actually a vote for Nixon was the first President. You must be a democrat. If in fact you think this President is doing a fine job, you are not a conservative.

I voted for Bush twice, but that does not change the fact. He has failed miserably with any similance of a conservative agenda, and has zero leadership ability.

fabijo
11-19-2007, 02:17 AM
I don't own a house yet, but I'm building up the equity. I'm married with two young children. I live in New York City (expensive). My wife stays home. I pay tuition for my younger son to go to school, the other one is in public school. I put money into savings every pay check. I act like savings is a bill. I have not used my credit card in almost two years. It's the credit card that ruins you.

Two years ago, I had over $4,000 (not much compared to many people I know) in credit card debt and it just never seemed to go away. There was always some "emergency" popping up. I finally took out a low interest loan of $10,000 and paid off my credit cards and put the rest into savings. That extra cash on hand came in handy when my car was stolen last year. I had to use $4,000 to buy another car. Now, I'm looking at finally finishing off the loan in two more pay checks. After that, I'll be putting away about $250 into savings every pay check. I also have always and still do give 10% of my earnings to my church. I'm able to do all that with just my salary, even in this high cost of living area. It's really about just living within your means, wherever you are.

P.S. To all who do not know who to vote for - GO RON PAUL! :D

budnipper1
11-19-2007, 12:24 PM
Ron Paul says he didn't have anything to do with this, but I'm betting it's great ammo for the Dems(meaning HILLARY) to shoot at his campaign.---2608
Raid on Ron Paul Dollar Maker
By Simon Constable
TheStreet.com Staff Reporter
11/16/2007 2:49 PM EST
URL: http://www.thestreet.com/markets/marketfeatures/10390631.html (http://www.thestreet.com/markets/marketfeatures/10390631.html)
Secret Service and FBI agents raided the makers of Ron Paul silver dollars, Liberty Dollar of Evansville, Ind., early Thursday in a move likely aimed at stamping out an illegal currency.

The company started selling precious-metal coins stamped with an image of Paul earlier this year, with the first one made of silver available in July. Part of the marketing for the coins involved a promise that part of the sale price would be donated to the Paul campaign.

But if the raid results in the conviction of anyone involved, it is possible that the Paul campaign may have to return a cash donation made by Liberty Dollar.

The silver coins, which weigh one troy ounce, were sold for $25 each, with $5 being promised to help fund Paul's presidential bid. The gimmick fit in well with Paul's campaign promise to bring back the gold standard of monetary policy in which precious metals would back paper dollars.

So far, Liberty Dollar has donated $2,300 to the Paul campaign, a fact confirmed by both Paul's office and Bernard von NotHaus, who runs Liberty Dollar.
As a result of the raid, prices for the silver coins have skyrocketed, with Ron Paul silver dollars, which were available from Liberty Dollar at $25 on Wednesday, selling for $220 on eBay (EBAY) recently.

Coins made of other metals, such as copper, gold and platinum, were also available from Liberty Dollar for a variety of prices. Prior to last summer, the firm had produced generic liberty dollars.

According to von NotHaus, the government move follows his efforts to sue the U.S. Mint, which in September had published warnings that von NotHaus's products were "not legal tender." Von NotHaus says he sued the U.S. Mint for slander after that proclamation.

Speaking hours after the raid, von Nothaus said he expects charges on money-laundering and wire fraud. Neither the FBI nor the U.S. attorney's office would comment. But its clear something is coming, as the U.S. Mint declined to comment on the grounds that "litigation on the matter is pending."

The Paul campaign says it would likely return the donations if the money was deemed to have been obtained illegally. And that could very well happen if the charges stick.
Von NotHaus says the government agents had seized 500 pounds of silver, 40 ounces of gold, 3 ounces of platinum and 1.5 tons of copper, as well as taking all cash and computer records. Bank accounts were said to be frozen also.

The U.S. Mint says while it's not illegal to possess the Ron Paul money or Liberty Dollars, it is illegal to try to spend them.

budnipper1
11-19-2007, 06:18 PM
Out of curiosity, did anyone on the board buy any of these at $25? Sounds like they are now a collector's item!

Yep, they are big on ebay...wish I could convert my TSP account balance into Liberty dollars. :nuts:
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=Liberty+Ron+Paul&category0=

fabijo
11-19-2007, 11:03 PM
Looks like the mint owner is hoping this trial becomes one where the monetary system is on trial. I wonder if he is hoping to have a Supreme Court case.

'Spectacular Trial' Is Seen in Case of Liberty Dollar
http://www.nysun.com/article/66642

The monetary gadfly behind the Liberty Dollar, Bernard von NotHaus, declared over the weekend that he expects to be criminally charged over his currency and is vowing "a spectacular trial" that will "put this country's monetary system on trial."

fabijo
11-20-2007, 01:31 AM
Since this thread is about Ron Paul, I figure I'll post this here. Some Ron Paul supporters managed to put together a nice full page ad that will be in the USA Today paper on November 21, 2007:

http://mircats.com/RonPaul/adfinaltoprw9.jpg
http://mircats.com/RonPaul/adfinalbottomnc3.jpg