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burrocrat

07-30-2015, 08:03 AM

i recently purchased a new laptop computer (so recently that it has not been delivered yet) for my kid for the start of school, and it is uprgade eligible to windows 10. i am pretty sure i will be upgrading to the new operating system when available, for several practical reasons:

life changes and you can't stop progress so might as well embrace change;

since the snowden leaks and nsa domestic spying political fallout, i hear they only imbed a 'parasite' marker now that only allows access when needed as opposed to constantly scanning the entire system realtime, so that should free up computing resources and make my playing internet poker and downloading nude pics run smoother;

and, after the 21.5 million fed employee and background check chinese opm data breach, with this new software all my internet financial transactions and personal details should be automatically and seamlessly integrated.

plus, i got a great deal on a dell. i wonder why the computer was so cheap? how do they even make a profit at these prices?

WorkFE

07-30-2015, 08:35 AM

plus, i got a great deal on a dell. i wonder why the computer was so cheap? how do they even make a profit at these prices?

The Chinese hackers that hacked OPM are building and selling them to Dell at rock bottom prices. :D

userque

08-01-2015, 04:18 AM

Windows 10 Home (The free version) doesn't include BitLocker, which I use. Also,

Windows 10 is spying on almost everything you do – here’s how to opt out (https://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/)

Windows 10 is amazing. Windows 10 is fantastic. Windows 10 is glorious. Windows 10 is faster, smoother and more user-friendly than any Windows operating system that has come before it. Windows 10 is everything Windows 8 should have been, addressing nearly all of the major problems users had with Microsoft’s previous-generation platform in one fell swoop.

But there’s something you should know: As you read this article from your newly upgraded PC, Windows 10 is also spying on nearly everything you do.

Warrenlm

08-01-2015, 04:41 AM

There's this:
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Heh Microsoft... in [Market-Ticker] (http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=230454)

And this detailed advice:
The Windows 10 Disinformation in [Market-Ticker] (http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=230462)

userque

08-01-2015, 05:25 AM

Just to be clear...from microsoft.com:

BitLocker on Windows 10 Home edition (https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/bitlocker-on-windows-10-home-edition/4fd2eecd-2931-4709-ad4e-85bbf3e241f0)

Dear community,

I would like to use BitLocker to encrypt my hard drive, but I have the standard 8.1 version, which will become Windows 10 Home version when I upgrade. Neither of those editions come with BitLocker. Do I have to upgrade to the Pro version to get it?
Yes, only Pro and Enterprise editions have BitLocker

And even clearer:

What are the editions of Windows 10 available? (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insider_wintp-insider_install/what-are-the-editions-of-windows-10-available/195a4038-c061-4902-bc2b-35922c9d41bc)

Edition
Features

Windows 10 Home
- PCs, tablets and 2-in-1s
- Cortana Assistant
- Microsoft Edge web browser
- Continuum tablet mode for touch-capable devices
- Windows Hello face-recognition, iris and fingerprint login
- universal Windows apps like Photos, Maps, Mail, Calendar, Music and Video
- Ability to capture and share game play for XBOX One owners

Windows 10 Pro
- PCs, tablets and 2-in-1s
- Cortana Assistant
- Microsoft Edge web browser
- Continuum tablet mode for touch-capable devices
- Windows Hello face-recognition, iris and fingerprint login
- universal Windows apps like Photos, Maps, Mail, Calendar, Music and Video
- Ability to capture and share game play for XBOX One owners
- Domain Join Services
- BitLocker Drive Encryption
- Remote Access Services
- Group Policy editor
- Windows Update for Business

Windows 10 Enterprise
- PCs, tablets and 2-in-1s
- Cortana Assistant
- Continuum tablet mode for touch-capable devices
- Windows Hello face-recognition, iris and fingerprint login
- universal Windows apps like Photos, Maps, Mail, Calendar, Music and Video
- Ability to capture and share game play for XBOX One owners
- Domain Join Services
- BitLocker Drive Encryption
- Remote Access Services
- Group Policy editor
- Windows Update for Business
- Long Term Servicing Branch
- Device Guard - help protect against the ever-growing range of modern security
threats targeted at devices, identities, applications and sensitive company
information

Windows 10 Education
- All the features of Windows 10 Enterprise for Academia

Windows 10 Mobile
- smaller, mobile, touch-centric devices like smartphones and small tablets
- universal Windows apps
- touch-optimized version of Office
- Continuum for phone
- productivity, security and management capabilities for customers who use their
personal devices at work

Windows 10 Mobile Enterprise
- All the features of Windows 10 Mobile
- Update management for businesses

Windows 10 IoT

Windows 10 IoT for industry devices
Desktop Shell, Win32 apps, Universal Apps and Drivers
1 GB, 16 GB Storage
x86
Windows 10 IoT for mobile devices
Modern Shell, Universal Apps and Drivers
512 MB RAM, 4 GB Storage
ARM
Windows 10 IoT for small devices
No Shell, Universal Apps and drivers
256 MB RAM, 2GB storage
x86 or ARM

Source:Windows 10 IoT: Powering the Internet of Things | Blogging Windows (http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/03/18/windows-10-iot-powering-the-internet-of-things/)
Thanks Ken Marin [Microsoft MVP]

userque

08-01-2015, 05:44 AM

Also, this:

By default, when signing into Windows with a Microsoft account,

...is not suggesting that one MUST sign in with an account. It is stating that if you do, it will sync.

I really dislike lazy journalists...

Agreed.

anthony

08-01-2015, 07:14 AM

My oversimplified take ... I'm on Windows 8.1 and will roll to 10 as soon as possible. Already have my Get Windows 10 app running on the desktop. I'm in the "Anything's going to be better" stage of thinking. If you're not in 8.1, you might just wait for them to sort things out.

Boghie

08-01-2015, 10:20 AM

My 2 cents - as a computer geek...

If you traverse the web site displayed in the 'Get Windows 10' notification you will find a 'Learn more on windows.com' link. Click that link (Notification: It is really me getting access to your TSP account and moving money to mine:D). You will then get to the 'Windows 10 FAQ' home page.

The first FAQ - 'When will I get my free upgrade?' - presents the option to download and use the 'Media Creation Tool'. That will download a tool that you can use to create the bootable install disk for Windows 10.

Personally, I am going to use this opportunity to refresh my hardware with an SSD and perhaps more memory. I have my Windows 7 Product Key sticker on my box so I should be able to perform a fresh install according to the FAQ.

As far as bugs and compatibility I tend to view things this way: It is obvious OPM entrusted our security clearance records to an obsolete applications running with an obsolete database engine on and obsolete operating system. Yeah, hang back for a while might be smart short term (the bootable media will help there if concerned), but hanging back has dangers of its own. If you are waiting for some drivers on an obsolete peripheral than you will be left hanging. Then all your self-porn will be on the internet and advertised the next time you type your LinkedIn password. That would be awesome!!! Right there on your professional job page...

k0nkuzh0n

08-01-2015, 10:54 AM

I downloaded my pro copy on Wednesday, with the installer that is out there (not the windows update way).

Haven't installed it yet but probably will this weekend

userque

08-01-2015, 03:33 PM

I'll wait (as many smart corporations do) for it to come with my next laptop...whenever that'll be.

There's no greater risk in waiting as security updates are still being issued for W7 and W8; and if you are the US NAVY, Win XP as well--just as security updates will have to be issued for W10. And if history is any indication, there will be more holes found in W10 than older versions...since it is so new.

Oh, and uh...Snowden wasn't lying about Microsoft and the NSA, btw.

userque

08-01-2015, 03:47 PM

I downloaded my pro copy on Wednesday, with the installer that is out there (not the windows update way).

Haven't installed it yet but probably will this weekend

Thanks. I see that if you have pro already, the free upgrade will be pro! Still waiting though...for other reasons.:smile:

k0nkuzh0n

08-01-2015, 08:25 PM

I Installed it today. I like it quite a bit so far. Only bug I noticed was when I right click on the sound icon in the task bar, the menu is blank... although you can still click the options if u can judge about where they would be (I use this often)

I mainly use my desktop for Microsoft office, Web browsing, and media. I dual monitor with my living room TV as my 2nd display to watch streamed movies/tv snice i dont have cable tv. And I like how windows 10 handles it. Both displays are treated as they are different desktops, with their own start menu and task bar.

And now I can choose between desktop browser versions and an app version of most things I use, like tv networks... abc, espn, NFL network, etc.

During setup, if you take the express options, I believe you will be opted into sharing a bunch of data with Microsoft behind the scenes. I chose the customize option and turned them all off

Fyi, the main reason I'm not waiting at all is because I recently wiped my computer to a fresh install so it was already pretty bare. And I'm going to need to rebuy Microsoft Office since I don't have a disk, just a key and origionally down loaded the copy. Plus I don't mind a few bugs... Im used to using beta versions.

userque

08-01-2015, 08:41 PM

Fyi, the main reason I'm not waiting at all is because I recently wiped my computer to a fresh install so it was already pretty bare. And I'm going to need to rebuy Microsoft Office since I don't have a disk, just a key and origionally down loaded the copy. Plus I don't mind a few bugs... Im used to using beta versions.

Are you sure you can't re-download office and use your same key?

Thanks for the post btw!

k0nkuzh0n

08-01-2015, 09:52 PM

Are you sure you can't re-download office and use your same key?

Thanks for the post btw!

I tried. Supposedly you can... This is the link for 2010 and 2007: https://products.office.com/en-us/download-back-up-restore-microsoft-office-products
This is for 2013: https://officesetup.getmicrosoftkey.com/

But I get a message along the lines of "Product Key provided represents a product which is not eligible for free download"

Had the same issue several years ago, when I went to windows 7 I believe. I believe its because I didn't pay extra for a hard copy. I had saved the ISO file... but that harddrive failed a several months ago :suspicious:

Not too worried about it... Home use office pro is what... $10?

On edit: To be clear... office was removed when I reinstalled Win 7, not from the Win 10 install. During install there was an option to retain user data and programs (Actually I think it said apps), but I hadn't reinstalled office prior to the Win 10 install.

userque

08-02-2015, 02:33 AM

I tried. Supposedly you can... This is the link for 2010 and 2007: https://products.office.com/en-us/download-back-up-restore-microsoft-office-products
This is for 2013: https://officesetup.getmicrosoftkey.com/

But I get a message along the lines of "Product Key provided represents a product which is not eligible for free download"

Had the same issue several years ago, when I went to windows 7 I believe. I believe its because I didn't pay extra for a hard copy. I had saved the ISO file... but that harddrive failed a several months ago :suspicious:

Not too worried about it... Home use office pro is what... $10?

On edit: To be clear... office was removed when I reinstalled Win 7, not from the Win 10 install. During install there was an option to retain user data and programs (Actually I think it said apps), but I hadn't reinstalled office prior to the Win 10 install.

OpenOffice just won't do it for ya, huh? :smile:

Says it's $399 here for pro:

Buy Microsoft Office Professional 2013 - Microsoft Store (http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Office-Professional-2013/productID.259321900)

Unless you mean $10/mo. for that Office 365 thing...or something else...$10 since you already have a valid key?

(Especially for Windows. Especially before upgrading.) I know you know this, but the first thing I do with important files is upload them to a secure/end-to-end encrypted cloud. MEGA is free for the first 50 GB (Research the origins of MEGA and its creator, Kim Dotcom); or maybe burn them to DVD:

https://mega.co.nz/

James48843

08-02-2015, 07:59 AM

I suppose my Netscape 3.1 with 256 bit encryption, and windows 3.1 are both about ready to be replaced, eh?

At least the NSA can't break those easily.

burrocrat

08-02-2015, 08:07 AM

Microsoft Home Use Program - Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2013. The software suite includes Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Publisher, Access and more! (http://www.microsofthup.com/hupus/home.aspx)

most current gov employees qualify for microsoft home use program. the thinking goes your employer has already paid for the license and you may as well have access to the software at home in case you need to do some last minute tweaking on a powerpoint or spreadsheet before tomorrow's conference presentation. $10 download to cover admin costs of the program, hard copy discs available for shipment cost extra.

userque

08-02-2015, 08:09 AM

I suppose my Netscape 3.1 with 256 bit encryption, and windows 3.1 are both about ready to be replaced, eh?

At least the NSA can't break those easily.

LOL...I wouldn't be so sure...but you've got bigger problems than the NSA.:smile:

k0nkuzh0n

08-02-2015, 08:28 AM

Only bug I noticed was when I right click on the sound icon in the task bar, the menu is blank... although you can still click the options if u can judge about where they would be (I use this often)
.
FYI, this issue is gone. It was probably video driver related, and just needed a restart.

OpenOffice just won't do it for ya, huh? :smile:

Says it's $399 here for pro:

Buy Microsoft Office Professional 2013 - Microsoft Store (http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Office-Professional-2013/productID.259321900)

Unless you mean $10/mo. for that Office 365 thing...or something else...$10 since you already have a valid key?

Burro answered for me. The home use program is pretty awesome. I would not be using (genuine) Office otherwise :cool:. Office is actually FREE for android devices.

I also use Google docs for some things that I primarily use on my phone (i.e. I have spreadsheet for my vehicles as make an entry any time I spend $$ on them, including gas) because I can access them anywhere I can get to a browser, but I don't believe I've ever encountered a piece of software as every-day useful and powerful as Microsoft Excel.

weatherweenie

08-02-2015, 08:39 AM

http://www.informationweek.com/software/operating-systems/windows-10-wi-fi-sense-raises-security-concerns/d/d-id/1321548?_mc=sm_iwk&hootPostID=8f1dd00647f240ab02dd27a3143ac135

Windows 10 Wi-Fi Sense Raises Security Concerns
The Wi-Fi Sense feature embedded in Windows 10 may make life easier for users, but could it also compromise corporate network security?

burrocrat

08-02-2015, 09:00 AM

i have read some of the links about turning off default privacy settings, but is there a short complete goto list for choices/options to take when setting up windows 10?

i have been computing exclusively by android phone for at least a year and a half now after my old computer took a dump. my son's new laptop already got delivered to a contact at what will be our new hometown/my duty station as i am being direct reassigned to an area of critical workload need. so next week sometime after i get the lights turned on and the cable guy/gal hooks up our internet, i will be firing up a new dell and may as well just jump right in to windows 10 i figure.

i am excited to have a regular computer again with actual buttons and a keyboard.

userque

08-02-2015, 09:22 AM

userque

08-02-2015, 09:41 AM

i have been computing exclusively by android phone for at least a year and a half now after my old computer took a dump...i am excited to have a regular computer again with actual buttons and a keyboard.

BTW: You've done very impressive work with that phone.:arms:

burrocrat

08-02-2015, 11:30 AM

BTW: You've done very impressive work with that phone.:arms:

i do it mostly on the back of a cocktail napkin and just type it on the phone. it is more intuitive that way.

99percent

08-02-2015, 08:54 PM

Got Windows 10. Seems there are audio driver issues. One day I have audio next, nope. Went through the usual Device Manager crap, guess what? NOTHING WRONG WITH MY FULLY UP TO DATE DRIVERS!

Found some Windows 10 support sites. Their advice? Go to Device Mannager...blah...blah...blah...:cool: Turns out this has been a known issue since they released it to Insiders in Feb. I can only blame myself...

userque

08-02-2015, 09:04 PM

Cactus

08-03-2015, 07:41 AM

In case you don't like 10 and want to revert back to what you had: Rolling Back From Windows 10 To Your Older OS Appears Problematic (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-10-revert-os,29727.html)

Boghie

08-03-2015, 06:29 PM

To All,

Performing a fresh install is weird in the Windows 10 world - at least with the free update.

Basically, from what I have read, you have to allow Microsoft to update your existing Windows. The license key requested by the manual fresh install is NOT your existing Product Key so helpfully placed on your legally purchased computer/operating system. Microsoft is using the key and some Genuine Advantage thang to determine if your current operating system is legal. I think they are giving the benefit of the doubt as well...

Anyway, the way I am doing it:

Imaged my existing system to my new SSD
Allow that copy of Windows (on my SSD) to be upgraded
Then use the tool I mentioned earlier to wipe out the system and rebuild from scratch
I will then install all the software I actually want as of today and copy the data from my thumb drive.

That way, I have my old hard drive (which actually had some bad sectors) to retrieve data from or to use if Microsoft hammers my stuff...

Very round about, eh...

Also, note that Microsoft is using a hardware key on your physical machine to keep track of legal ownership. The 'Activation' sends this key (probably in the BIOS) to Microsoft which then stores it in a database along with the internal Windows 10 product key.

ravensfan

08-03-2015, 08:20 PM

So today I've made two attempts to download the free upgrade and both times it failed. I think I'll wait awhile before trying again...No sense in mucking up the fountain!!! :nuts:

James48843

08-03-2015, 09:37 PM

Oh Christ- now there is THIS!

-------------

Man upgrades to Windows 10 – it shows his wife his entire porn collection

Source: Metro UK

A man woke up to his wife asking why his computer was showing off a slideshow of eye-wateringly hard porn, after he upgraded to Windows 10.

He claims he upgraded to Windows 10 late at night, then woke up to his wife goggling at a screensaver of distinctly fruity images.

Writing on Reddit under the username FalloutBoS, he said, ‘Woke up to wife asking why I set it to rotate all my porn images right on the desk top view.

‘I have no idea how to shut that feature off and that computer is staying shut down until I do.’

‘Don’t make my mistake, keep your private pictures out of My Pictures, no matter how deep you hide them in sub folders.’

By default, the new OS creates a screensaver using images in the computer’s Pictures folder.

Users wishing to – ahem – keep certain images private are advised to ensure they’re not in the Pictures folder.

****

Read more: Man upgrades to Windows 10 – it shows his wife his entire porn collection | Metro News (http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/03/man-upgrades-to-windows-10-it-shows-his-wife-his-entire-porn-collection-5324588/)

k0nkuzh0n

08-19-2015, 09:27 PM

I tried. Supposedly you can... This is the link for 2010 and 2007: https://products.office.com/en-us/download-back-up-restore-microsoft-office-products
This is for 2013: https://officesetup.getmicrosoftkey.com/

But I get a message along the lines of "Product Key provided represents a product which is not eligible for free download"

Had the same issue several years ago, when I went to windows 7 I believe. I believe its because I didn't pay extra for a hard copy. I had saved the ISO file... but that harddrive failed a several months ago :suspicious:

Not too worried about it... Home use office pro is what... $10?

On edit: To be clear... office was removed when I reinstalled Win 7, not from the Win 10 install. During install there was an option to retain user data and programs (Actually I think it said apps), but I hadn't reinstalled office prior to the Win 10 install.

Good news! I downloaded a 60 day trial of the same version I had (2013 professional plus) from Microsoft directly and after install, instead if verifying their trial key, I entered my 'old' key and it activated! Saved $10! :banana:

FogSailing

08-19-2015, 11:26 PM

That hilarious James......and a caution:D:D:D

FS

userque

10-15-2015, 08:32 PM

Microsoft clears the air on Windows 10 “keylogger” | Microsoft | Geek.com (http://www.geek.com/microsoft/microsoft-clears-the-air-on-windows-10-keylogger-1606160/)

The “keylogger” is gathering usage data that will help Microsoft determine what’s working and what isn’t in the Windows 10 preview.:rolleyes:

nnuut

10-15-2015, 08:40 PM

Cool, but do I trust them>>>>>NO I DON'T!

userque

10-15-2015, 08:44 PM

Cool, but do I trust them>>>>>NO I DON'T!

I'm with you on that one!

JTH

10-15-2015, 11:40 PM

airlift

10-16-2015, 06:31 AM

Been using Win10 on multiple PCs since the release.

Single-handily, it is the most privacy invasive OS I've come across. It takes about 10 minutes to disable all the default sharing features, which would be a PITA for the average user. I don't trust the security of this OS, I've gone as far as encrypting separate partitions to protect my data (as much as possible).

Setting this aside, there are other continuing issues I've had to deal with, like driver fails (sound & WIFI) and unexpected reboots.

When it runs great, it runs great, but some things just don't add up. I have a tablet Full-Win10 with half the specs and it runs twice as fast as my Laptop?

If I had Win7 I'd use it, but upgrading from Win8 to Win10 is the better option, JMHO.

JTH, it is clear that your knowledge of the operating systems is a plus for the informative wealth that you have shared. My most urgent problem with Windows 10 is that I want to open the main indexes and ETFs in a specific orderly 1,2,3 sequence that allows me to refresh at will the price and movements on an intraday basis. Significantly, however, when I put the p/c on sleep, upon my return, after lunch for example, I reopen Microsoft edge expecting to continue the intraday observations, but the sequence of the charts is changed without my request, to a different sequence order that I placed the indexes or symbols. I tried talking to Microsoft tech support, but they were not exactly successful in helping me. Can you or anyone else help me with this matter? Maybe, it could be that the Tech support people do not understand that there are different time periods/candlesticks, etc. I don't understand.... Please Help! Thank you.

JTH

10-16-2015, 10:15 AM

JTH, it is clear that your knowledge of the operating systems is a plus for the informative wealth that you have shared. My most urgent problem with Windows 10 is that I want to open the main indexes and ETFs in a specific orderly 1,2,3 sequence that allows me to refresh at will the price and movements on an intraday basis. Significantly, however, when I put the p/c on sleep, upon my return, after lunch for example, I reopen Microsoft edge expecting to continue the intraday observations, but the sequence of the charts is changed without my request, to a different sequence order that I placed the indexes or symbols. I tried talking to Microsoft tech support, but they were not exactly successful in helping me. Can you or anyone else help me with this matter? Maybe, it could be that the Tech support people do not understand that there are different time periods/candlesticks, etc. I don't understand.... Please Help! Thank you.

Hey Airlift

Edge is a really fast browser, but this is partially due to the lack of features.

I haven't been using Edge, I use Chrome due to the ability in integrate many features I use, like sync, HTTPS, VLC-Downloader, Java popup blocker, Google voice, ect.

If using edge is important to you, then you may want to disable the sleep feature, or play a continuous youtube video in the background, to keep your PC awake.

PessOptimist

10-17-2015, 04:29 PM

I receive multiple pop ups daily about upgrading to 10 while it is still free or some such language. I am tempted but not ready to spend the day or days that getting everything I use to work again and actually get it to start at a desk top and stop asking for a password for MSN, Google, Twitter, Skype and other stuff will take.

Please keep posting your experiences and knowledge.

Thanks again

PO

JTH

10-17-2015, 06:51 PM

True story

A friend of mine was at a HS football game and decided to use his Win10 PC, using his phone as a hotspot. He had noticed his connectivity seemed very slow, even though his phone had all bars.

Then he looked at his data usage on his phone, over the past hour, it had uploaded Gigs of patches to other computers on a completely different network. His PC was using his phone to patch the school district's network!

Lucky for him he has a decent data plan, but if it had happened to me, I would have been charged hundreds of dollars for going over my 1GB data plan ;swear

"If WUDO is enabled, Microsoft can point others to locally-cached copies of updates and apps on users’ Windows 10 devices that are connected to the Internet. When that happens, a user’s Windows 10 PC acts as a substitute server for others, and any customer whose device is tapped for WUDO delivery has given Microsoft access to their upload bandwidth."

Windows 10 uses your bandwidth to send patches, updates to others (http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2015/08/windows-10-uses-your-bandwidth-to-send-patches-updates-to-others/)

PessOptimist

10-17-2015, 09:11 PM

JTH

10-17-2015, 09:23 PM

Thanks JTH. What does "WUDO" mean? Windows Update Delivery Optimization. Sounds like "theft of service" to me in the circumstance you state. So updates come from any connection? Yet another hazard of "cloud computing". Share the wealth maybe too but that needs a * in the subject line. I am wondering if your friend password protected their hotspot or just left it open for convenience.

Thank you again for all the info about Win10.

PO

That's the rub, this feature is enabled by default and it does not need a WIFI password to share patches with other networks. Somewhere in the background, there's some sort of network sharing going on, it's horrendous, it makes me sick just thinking about the potential exportation.

PessOptimist

10-17-2015, 09:34 PM

Thanks JTH. Arrrrrgggggghhhhh. Isn't it great being an old fart who thinks beyond how great this all is and who might have to pay for it?

old fart

PO

burrocrat

10-17-2015, 09:35 PM

That's the rub, this feature is enabled by default and it does not need a WIFI password to share patches with other networks. Somewhere in the background, there's some sort of network sharing going on, it's horrendous, it makes me sick just thinking about the potential exportation.

that is why i no longer keep nude photos on my phone. i keep them in my mind instead, and if they want to cloudshare that they are in for way more than they bargained for.

JTH

10-24-2015, 10:19 PM

Been using Win10 on multiple PCs since the release.

Single-handily, it is the most privacy invasive OS I've come across. It takes about 10 minutes to disable all the default sharing features, which would be a PITA for the average user. I don't trust the security of this OS, I've gone as far as encrypting separate partitions to protect my data (as much as possible).

Setting this aside, there are other continuing issues I've had to deal with, like driver fails (sound & WIFI) and unexpected reboots.

When it runs great, it runs great, but some things just don't add up. I have a tablet Full-Win10 with half the specs and it runs twice as fast as my Laptop?

If I had Win7 I'd use it, but upgrading from Win8 to Win10 is the better option, JMHO.

Fkin MS10 is the Facebook of society (I shake my fist at you in disgust) :cool:

Aside from the numerous sound, WIFI & reboot issues I've been "tolerating" my UAC got corrupted after a VPN install (meaning my standard user account was unable to process "run as administrator" applications)

After exhaustive research and troubleshooting, the shortest route to a fix was a complete rebuild + reinstalling all the previous applications.

8+ hours of my life, wasted...

nnuut

10-24-2015, 10:36 PM

I will definitely WAIT to Upgrade to Win 10, like 2 years!:yuck:

JTH

10-25-2015, 02:05 PM

Fkin MS10 is the Facebook of society (I shake my fist at you in disgust) :cool:

Aside from the numerous sound, WIFI & reboot issues I've been "tolerating" my UAC got corrupted after a VPN install (meaning my standard user account was unable to process "run as administrator" applications)

After exhaustive research and troubleshooting, the shortest route to a fix was a complete rebuild + reinstalling all the previous applications.

8+ hours of my life, wasted...

I will definitely WAIT to Upgrade to Win 10, like 2 years!:yuck:

UPDATE: Thus far, the rebuild has gone better than expected.

On the originally build, I had to rollback the WIFI driver, because the current one offered by HP, was not able to split-allocate my bandwidth (meaning if I was streaming something like Netflix, the web surfing was brutally slow)

It seems they finally resolved this issue, I now have the most current WIFI driver and it is working properly.

I lost my backups a few months back, and was unable to revover the MS Office 2010 HUP, so I had to upgrade to MS Office 2016 HUP, it is working very well and the outlook was able to import my GMail account.

The VPN which broke the original build, is now working very well, (there are DNS leaks with Win10, but they appear to be resolved by disabling IPV6).

k0nkuzh0n

10-25-2015, 05:54 PM

and was unable to revover the MS Office 2010 HUP, so I had to upgrade to MS Office 2016 HUP

If you still have the CD key, you can install a trial version and insert your CD key. I mentioned this early in this thread as I had to do it myself. Worked like a champ. Probably too late for you now, but if you have a 2nd computer or something, could always use it for that.

JTH

10-25-2015, 06:32 PM

If you still have the CD key, you can install a trial version and insert your CD key. I mentioned this early in this thread as I had to do it myself. Worked like a champ. Probably too late for you now, but if you have a 2nd computer or something, could always use it for that.

Thanks, I did something similar for my dad once. Nope, the MS Office Link was no longer supported. I could have pulled the key out using a program (I forget the name) but in my haste didn't think of that.

maui21ice

10-26-2015, 06:39 PM

PessOptimist

10-26-2015, 11:48 PM

maui21ice

10-27-2015, 12:50 AM

Arrrgh, arrrgh. Arrgh. They never even made legacy stuff work with XP before they upgraded to 7. It’s great if you use “standard” application to do “standard” things. Does anyone in any IT in any agency EVER think that there are others using computer applications than those sitting in offices at the HQ?
I should take to heart what I was told in a briefing earlier this year by a HQ type. “We are a government agency first, our purpose for existing and supporting that are secondary”.
Yeah, sure. Win10. Nothing works with 7 so why not? Who cares if we can do the job the agency was created to do?
PO
I'm going to be brutally honest with you PO, I can't tell if in your post you hate Windows 10, or love it... :laugh:

JTH

10-27-2015, 09:52 AM

I have it upgraded on 2 of my laptops (well, my wife's and then my wife's second one haha). We haven't noticed anything this big or even buggy really at all. It was a bit to get used to at first, but otherwise the glitches were un-noticed if there as any, and it's been smooth sailing for us. Now if only work computers would upgrade to it... :/

Of the 8 PCs I've upgraded to windows 10, mine is the only one having problems, but I'm also the only one who does any "real" work on my PC

Since our last conversation, I've had to rebuild the PC again twice, after duplicating the original errors. The key error is "Extended attributes are inconsistent" with past windows versions, this is commonly tied to the UAC's sound, but I don't think this is the case in this situation.

One possibility, is the disk cleanup utility (and CCleaner) is stripping out the extended attributes across my file system, thus disconnecting my standard user account from being able to use the "run as administrator" feature. If so, this is not user error, this is a substantial flaw in the system.

The other possibility, when installing programs under the admin account, it is not connecting administrative type programs to the standard user account.

Normally I would troubleshoot extensively until I was 100% certain what is causing it, but I'm moving next week, and I've already lost 3 days messing with it, so for now it's up and running and working well.

On this latest install, I've installed all programs under the standard user login, using admin credentials.

nnuut

10-27-2015, 10:03 AM

BUGS! I'm waiting for them to get the BUGS out!357263572635727 Is this thing in Beta or something?

JTH

10-27-2015, 10:16 AM

Of the 8 PCs I've upgraded to windows 10, mine is the only one having problems, but I'm also the only one who does any "real" work on my PC

Since our last conversation, I've had to rebuild the PC again twice, after duplicating the original errors. The key error is "Extended attributes are inconsistent" with past windows versions, this is commonly tied to the UAC's sound, but I don't think this is the case in this situation.

One possibility, is the disk cleanup utility (and CCleaner) is stripping out the extended attributes across my file system, thus disconnecting my standard user account from being able to use the "run as administrator" feature. If so, this is not user error, this is a substantial flaw in the system.

The other possibility, when installing programs under the admin account, it is not connecting administrative type programs to the standard user account.

Normally I would troubleshoot extensively until I was 100% certain what is causing it, but I'm moving next week, and I've already lost 3 days messing with it, so for now it's up and running and working well.

On this latest install, I've installed all programs under the standard user login, using admin credentials.

BUGS! I'm waiting for them to get the BUGS out!357263572635727 Is this thing in Beta or something?

I should add, I also bought a Windows 10/Android muti-OS tablet for 100 bucks from CHUWI (http://liliputing.com/2015/09/chuwi-hi10-cherry-trail-tablet-runs-windows-10-and-android-5-1.html) and it is nearly flawless. Full OS, and reboots in less than a min.

JTH

10-27-2015, 03:03 PM

The saga continues, OS is jacked again, thinking it's a hardware issue... Running test on the memory

userque

10-29-2015, 12:01 PM

Microsoft kills patch notes, will no longer explain most Windows 10 updates | ExtremeTech (http://www.extremetech.com/computing/212724-microsoft-kills-patch-notes-will-no-longer-explain-most-windows-10-updates)

"When Microsoft debuted Windows 10, it began offering significantly less information about KB updates in any given package. Instead of getting a clickable link that provided more than a bare sentence of information, users have to manually search for KB articles based on the given name. While this isn’t difficult, it’s an example of how Redmond has made it a bit more difficult to know what the OS is doing or why it’s doing it. Now, the company has stated that this obfuscation isn’t an artifact of a rushed launch — the company will not explain feature updates unless it deems them significant."

Scout333

10-29-2015, 07:06 PM

I have been getting tons of Mcafee popup screens advising me that my security system is not safe. The actual updates are current and my scans are currents? Anyone else getting this?

JTH

10-29-2015, 07:45 PM

I have been getting tons of Mcafee popup screens advising me that my security system is not safe. The actual updates are current and my scans are currents? Anyone else getting this?

Sorry wish I could help, for myself I don't typically run virus software because I stay logged in as a standard user, so (in theory) nothing can be installed unless I provide my admin credentials. At this moment, I am running Windows Defender, but this is only because I don't want to constantly see notifications that I'm not running virus software.

Here are some guesses.

1) You've picked up Malware and it's trying to get you to install something worse than what you've already picked up. Something similar to you happened to my Mother-in-law and she ended up whipping out her credit card to pay for something she thought was an updated subscription to McAfee (turns out it was malware) and it took me some time to get rid of it, but after I knew her backups were up to date, I rebuilt the OS. IMHO when you suspect your OS has been violated, a rebuild is the best choice.

2) Your Mcafee engine has been corrupted or compromised and is not running properly.

If I were in your predicament,

1) Validate my backups are intact in case something goes wrong during troubleshooting

2) Run MalwareBytes or some similar program and run a full scan, if something is picked up, it can usually remove it

3) Reinstall your virus software and run another scan

Scout333

10-29-2015, 08:15 PM

Thanks for the suggestions!

Scout333

10-29-2015, 11:53 PM

Sorry wish I could help, for myself I don't typically run virus software because I stay logged in as a standard user, so (in theory) nothing can be installed unless I provide my admin credentials. At this moment, I am running Windows Defender, but this is only because I don't want to constantly see notifications that I'm not running virus software.

Here are some guesses.

1) You've picked up Malware and it's trying to get you to install something worse than what you've already picked up. Something similar to you happened to my Mother-in-law and she ended up whipping out her credit card to pay for something she thought was an updated subscription to McAfee (turns out it was malware) and it took me some time to get rid of it, but after I knew her backups were up to date, I rebuilt the OS. IMHO when you suspect your OS has been violated, a rebuild is the best choice.

2) Your Mcafee engine has been corrupted or compromised and is not running properly.

If I were in your predicament,

1) Validate my backups are intact in case something goes wrong during troubleshooting

2) Run MalwareBytes or some similar program and run a full scan, if something is picked up, it can usually remove it

3) Reinstall your virus software and run another scan
I tried Option 3 and so far it seems to be working well. No more popups, etc.

Cactus

10-30-2015, 07:24 AM

If you are one of the hold-outs who refuse to give up win 7 or 8.1 you better turn off auto-update soon. Starting next year MS will make 10 a recommended update for these systems. Microsoft will make Windows 10 a recommended update in 2016 - The Tech Report (http://techreport.com/news/29258/microsoft-will-make-windows-10-a-recommended-update-in-2016)

Frixxxx

10-30-2015, 09:17 AM

I have been getting tons of Mcafee popup screens advising me that my security system is not safe. The actual updates are current and my scans are currents? Anyone else getting this?

Ouch!

I use Spybot for detecting and "immunizing" my system.

I use HijackThis! for registry and bootup repair.

I agree with JTH, Running in standard user mode is a great way to defend against malware installation. He gets rep points from me!

JTH

10-30-2015, 10:32 AM

Ouch!

I use Spybot for detecting and "immunizing" my system.

I use HijackThis! for registry and bootup repair.

I agree with JTH, Running in standard user mode is a great way to defend against malware installation. He gets rep points from me!

Here here!
Least privilege needed to accomplish the task is the wayto go!

For my own Windows 10 saga, I had a bad memory card, somany of the issues I had can be attributed to this. Once I swapped out the cardthe only issues I've had (thus far) were sound drops.

I ended up downgrading to the factory windows sound driver,and since this time everything has been working very well.

So as of now, the reboots, WIFI & sound issues areresolved, and the PC reboots in less than a minute :)

Frixxxx

10-30-2015, 10:59 AM

userque

11-02-2015, 06:59 PM

Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

Forbes Welcome (http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/)

"Speaking to PC World, Microsoft Corporate Vice President Joe Belfiore explained that Windows 10 is constantly tracking how it operates and how you are using it and sending that information back to Microsoft by default. More importantly he also confirmed that, despite offering some options to turn elements of tracking off, core data collection simply cannot be stopped: ..."

LOL...yeah...shocking :rolleyes:

userque

11-02-2015, 07:15 PM

I would have posted this opinion earlier, but everyone was waving the M$ flag and indicating that they believed the tracking can be turned off...because M$ put some check boxes there that said, "off."

My musings:

MS offering 10 for free.
MS pushing hard for everyone to upgrade
MS says it will force upgrade
10 tracks, keylogs everything
MS in bed with US Intelligence community
MS knows everything about its software
MS/NSA/CIA/FBI would love access to everyone's computer/mic/camera/phone/tablet
EDIT:
10 updates itself and downloads whatever software it wants, whenever it wants, and doesn't have to tell you what it did...and you can't stop it.

Also,

Hardware/computer manufacturers are in bed with the alphabet boys as well.

The math:

2 + 2 = 4

I suspect backdoors are built into most hardware. I suspect some very clever backdoors are in 10, working with the hardware (camera/mic).

nnuut

11-02-2015, 07:16 PM

STOP Tracking and violating our privacy. What the hell is this? These A$$holes are crossing the line!

Whipsaw

11-02-2015, 08:33 PM

Can this be avoided with Ubuntu, or similar?

burrocrat

11-02-2015, 08:40 PM

no. bill gates is actually king of the world, he just doesn't make a big deal out of it is all. so you have to just trust him, or else it's off with your digital head. i was actually in his new house on lake washington while it was under construction. he is for sure the king of the world.

userque

11-02-2015, 08:43 PM

Generally, yes. Ubuntu is open source software. You can review the source code, etc. The "community" would spot something like what M$ is doing.

M$ is closed source. Only they know what's in their code, and I'd bet only a few know about any juicy tidbits.

Can this be avoided with Ubuntu, or similar?

burrocrat

11-02-2015, 08:59 PM

i think you guys miss the point. ubuntu is like a bar in a mormon town. if like 95% you go to church they can see inside your soul and know everything. if you go to the bar they don't need to know everything in your soul because they know where your soul spends its time, that is more than enough info to set the flags. like giving high school kids a back lot and a dumpster to go smoke behind. don't need to know what you are talking about while smoking, knowing that you smoke is good enough. i told you, bill gates is king of the world.

userque

11-07-2015, 06:33 PM

PC makers' tech support asks customers to avoid Windows 10 (http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/05/pc-support-discourages-using-windows-10/)

"Laptop has learned that at least Dell and HP are discouraging customers from updating to Windows 10, or even recommending that people roll back to older versions."

userque

11-08-2015, 09:07 AM

burrocrat

11-08-2015, 09:30 AM

Windows 10 could disable pirated games and unauthorized hardware (http://betanews.com/2015/08/14/windows-10-could-disable-pirated-games-and-unauthorized-hardware/)

aarrgghh, matey!

what is unauthorized hardware? will my artificially intelligent personal massage device still be supported (it's wireless)?

JTH

11-08-2015, 12:25 PM

Many of the Windows 10's invasive features will eventually be implemented on Windows 7 & 8.

If it wasn't for my need to use it for work-related requirements, I would have left these bastards a long time ago.

My "login as admin" issues are still present, despite the many rebuilds and changing out the memory card. At this point, I've been forced to upgrade my Standard User account to an Admin account (this blows chunks)

Also, if you choose not to sign in with your Microsoft Account, you cannot use their apps from the MS Store, they are bound and determined to suck you into their eco system. Also, on the standard free Win 10, you cannot edit or use any group policy features.

I ran into another problem earlier this week. If you are logged into an unencrypted wireless network, you cannot change the original password, or forget the original password, no matter how hard you try. I have not tried this on previous versions, but for Win 10 it would not work. I even went into CMD and deleted the network profile, and once I re-added it, it used the cashed password, (meaning it's keeping the password somewhere else like the registry.

userque

11-08-2015, 05:11 PM

Many of the Windows 10's invasive features will eventually be implemented on Windows 7 & 8.

Not for everyone ;) The hacking community has always beaten M$'s attempts at this sort of control. They've never been able to stop their precious Office suites from being pirated. Same for all of their OS's. Etc.

So far, I believe they have only stated the update to 10 from 7 and 8 will be a recommended 'windows update.?' It'll be 'forced' on those that have 'windows update' set to automatic for all recommended updates.

Regardless of M$'s control plans; I strongly doubt any of my current computers will ever be 10. :)

I also suspect the community will release pirated pro(etc.) versions of 10 with the spy capabilities rendered useless, in the future.

The bright side is M$ is probably making linux more popular.

Cactus

11-08-2015, 08:29 PM

Windows 10 could disable pirated games and unauthorized hardware (http://betanews.com/2015/08/14/windows-10-could-disable-pirated-games-and-unauthorized-hardware/)"Many people will object to the idea that Microsoft is able to scan a system to detect the hardware and software that is running, and then use the results of this scan to determine what hardware and software may be used. With so many concerns about privacy being thrown up by Windows 10, this is yet another which is causing rumbles of discontent."Just run your copy of Windows inside a virtual machine from Linux and tell it the hardware Windows wants to hear. As for the software, you'll probably find Linux equivalents for a lot of it and won't be running that much on your Microsoft virtual machine. I don't run any M$ software at home, not even the OS. For me everything is Linux based these days.

userque

11-08-2015, 11:00 PM

Just run your copy of Windows inside a virtual machine from Linux and tell it the hardware Windows wants to hear.

I would rather still use a disinfected version (if available), even in a VM. Things have broken out of VM's before. I would also use the open sourced VirtualBox instead of VMware if I insisted on using a VM.

Also, there is a substantial performance loss by running an OS inside an OS.

I'll never run a legit version of win10, virtually or really. :) I may end up having to run an inoculated version if/when it becomes available and I have a need. Otherwise I'll stay with win7/8 until it becomes obsolete. At that point, I'll be fully linux I suppose. :)

EDIT:

IMO. I suspect that M$, along with the resources of the NSA? etc. will have found/created a way to allow win10 to walk out of VM's--if it is possible (see below). Our tax dollars at work, "all in the name of bin laden."

virtualization - Does a Virtual Machine stop malware from doing harm? - Information Security Stack Exchange (http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/9011/does-a-virtual-machine-stop-malware-from-doing-harm)

Theoretically, the guest system is totally isolated by the VM and cannot even "see" the host, let alone attack it; so the guest cannot break out of the VM. Of course, in practice, it has occasionally happened (web archive link). An attack requires exploiting a security issue (i.e. a programming bug which turns out to have nasty consequences) in the VM implementation or, possibly, the hardware features on which the VM builds on. There are few exit routes for data out of the VM; e.g., for Internet access, the VM is emulating a virtual network card, which deals only with the lowest level packets, not full TCP/IP -- thus, most IP-stack issues remain confined within the VM itself. So bugs leading to breakout from VM tend to remain rare occurrences.

There are some kinds of attacks against which VM are very effective, e.g. fork bombs. From the point of view of the host system, the VM is a single process. A fork bomb in the guest will bring to its knees the scheduler in the guest OS, but for the host this will be totally harmless. Similarly for memory: the VM emulates a physical machine with a given amount of RAM, and will need about that amount of "real" RAM to back it up efficiently. Regardless of what the guest does, the VM will never monopolize more RAM than that. (You still want to limit VM RAM size to, say, at most 1/2 of your physical RAM size, because the extra "real" RAM is handy for disk caching; and the host OS will want to use some, too.)

virtualization - How secure are virtual machines really? False sense of security? - Information Security Stack Exchange (http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/3056/how-secure-are-virtual-machines-really-false-sense-of-security)

VM's can definitely cross over. Usually you have them networked, so any malware with a network component (i.e. worms) will propagate to wherever their addressing/routing allows them to. Regular viruses tend to only operate in usermode, so while they couldn't communicate overtly, they could still set up a covert channel. If you are sharing CPU's, a busy process on one VM can effectively communicate state to another VM (that's your prototypical timing covert channel). Storage covert channel would be a bit harder as the virtual disks tend to have a hard limit on them, so unless you have a system that can over-commit disk space, it should not be an issue.

The most interesting approach to securing VM's is called the Separation Kernel. It's a result of John Rushby's 1981 paper which basically states that in order to have VM's isolated in a manner that could be equivalent to physical separation, the computer must export its resources to specific VM's in a way where at no point any resource that can store state is shared between VM's. This has deep consequences, as it requires the underlying computer architecture to be designed in a way in which this can be carried out in a non-bypassable manner.

30yrs after this paper, we finally have few products that claim to do it. x86 isn't the greatest platform for it, as there are many instructions that cannot be virtualized, to fully support the 'no sharing' idea. It is also not very practical for common systems, as to have four VM's, you'd need four harddrives hanging off four disk controllers, four video cards, four USB controllers with four mice, etc..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine_escape

userque

11-13-2015, 11:35 PM

https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying

Destroy Windows 10 Spying

Features:

Remove all spyware modules
Remove spying apps
Add to hosts spying domains!
Remove Spying services
Remove Windows 10 Metro Apps
Support Windows 7/8/8.1/10 or Server 2008-2012 R2
Remove Office 2016 thelemetry
Open Source!

I haven't used it.

EDIT:

Found some more, with REVIEWS:

Comparison of Windows 10 Privacy tools - gHacks Tech News (http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/14/comparison-of-windows-10-privacy-tools/)
Windows 10 Spying: Prevent Windows 10 spying with 6 privacy tools | BGR (http://bgr.com/2015/08/14/windows-10-spying-prevention-privacy-tools/)

JTH

11-14-2015, 02:41 PM

Another Windows 10 major update, I have no idea what it was, but it took over an hour to download & install.

Funny how when I go to view my update history the slate is now clean and nothing shows up...

During the install it told me "we are installing features" yet I have no idea what it did?

userque

11-14-2015, 02:47 PM

10 updates itself and downloads whatever software it wants, whenever it wants, and doesn't have to tell you what it did...and you can't stop it.

Another Windows 10 major update, I have no idea what it was, but it took over an hour to download & install.

Funny how when I go to view my update history the slate is now clean and nothing shows up...

During the install it told me "we are installing features" yet I have no idea what it did?

Not cool.

JTH

11-14-2015, 04:03 PM

Not cool.

What's really not cool, is that my tablet doesn't have the space to install the update. Windows wants me to attach a 10GB drive to install the update and says my C-Drive needs an additional 3.26GB of free space, which is something I just don't have.

So my brand new (less than 3 month old tablet) is in purgatory...

WTF?

Why build a tablet with Win10 specifications if Win 10 is just going to exceed the minimum requirements???

I remember when 3GB was an entire OS (not an update)

Valkyrie

11-14-2015, 04:08 PM

For one thing, on the free version, you will have no control over updates so MS can update whatever they wish on YOUR computer.
Oh, you want to get rid of that cute new icon?

You have to uninstall Microsoft updates KB3035583 and KB2952664 (both supposedly are system updates, one optional and the other important), then hide the updates when they reappear in the update list. Updates are now advertisements it seems.

bmneveu

11-14-2015, 05:33 PM

I remember when 3GB was an entire OS (not an update)

I remember when 3GB was huge for an entire hard drive!

PessOptimist

11-15-2015, 05:26 PM

I was talking with one of our network types the other day about unresolved problems with the upgrade from XP to 7. I asked about 8 and he said he thinks they will skip that and there are many issues with using 10 to be figured out. Based on what I read here and elsewhere, yuh, maybe like cyber security rules.

Bmnevue, I recall looking at a 1000Mb drive at the Bx back in the 90s and discussions about how to use it with current operating systems. We already realized we would need it in the future. Price? About $1/Mb.

PO

userque

11-16-2015, 06:06 AM

For advanced users not wanting to be force-fed windows 10 :cool: ...

/g/ - Updates to avoid Windows 7/8/8.1 - Technology - 4chan (http://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/51338505/updates-to-avoid-windows-7881)

Updates to avoid Windows 7/8/8.1 Anonymous 11/14/15(Sat)02:58:09 No.51338505 Archived

KB2505438
KB3046480
(KB2670838 – Windows 7 Only (corrupts AERO and blurry fonts on some websites))
KB2952664 – prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10 (sends a bunch of telemetry data to M$, reported to corrupt system files)
KB2976978 – prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10; Windows 8 only
KB2977759 – prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10, installs telemetry
KB2990214 – prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10
KB3021917 – prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10
KB3022345 – installs diagnostic tracking service, reported to corrupt system files
KB3035583 – pitches the free Windows 10 upgrade
KB3044374 – prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10
KB3050265 – supposedly fixes an issue with windows update, but also changes system files to support upgrade to Windows 10
KB3050267 – prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10
KB3068708 – installs telemetry service, prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10
KB2922324 – (reportedly pulled, uninstall it anyway if already installed)
KB3014460 – affects windows 8 only
KB3015249 – adds more damn telemetry
KB3065987 – makes “improvements” to the windows update client (really just more Win10 bullshit)
KB3075249 – adds yet more telemetry, This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.
KB3075851 – makes “improvements” to the windows update client (really just more Win10 bullshit)
KB3080149 – adds yet more telemetry, The diagnostics tracking service collects diagnostics about functional issues on Windows systems that participate in the Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP). CEIP reports do not contain contact information, such as your name, address, or telephone number.
KB971033 - Description of the update For Windows Activation Technologies

Anything to add the list? Windows released a bunch of updates again, so I got worried if this list needs to get updated too.

Anonymous 11/14/15(Sat)02:58:40 No.51338508

>>51338505
Oh right, the pasta had also this;

cmd:
sc stop Diagtrack
sc delete Diagtrack

Task Scheduler Library:
Everything under "Application Experience"
Everything under "Autochk"
Everything under "Customer Experience Improvement Program"
Under "Disk Diagnostic" only the "Microsoft-Windows-DiskDiagnosticDataCollector"
Under "Maintenance" "WinSAT"
"Media Center" and click the "status" column, then select all non-disabled entries and disable them.

services.msc:
"Remote Registry" to "Disabled" instead of "Manual".

nnuut

11-16-2015, 08:28 AM

My first computer [$1,850] had a 500mb HD with 2mb of RAM, I upgraded it to 4mb of RAM and it cost $50 a mb!! Also upgraded the 2400 baud modem for $250! Then I installed an upgraded CD Reader, it goes on and on, not cheap in the 1980s. Cheap is NOW!

JTH

11-16-2015, 10:49 AM

What's really not cool, is that my tablet doesn't have the space to install the update. Windows wants me to attach a 10GB drive to install the update and says my C-Drive needs an additional 3.26GB of free space, which is something I just don't have.

So my brand new (less than 3 month old tablet) is in purgatory...

WTF?

Why build a tablet with Win10 specifications if Win 10 is just going to exceed the minimum requirements???

I remember when 3GB was an entire OS (not an update)

With not enough hard drive space to install the update, the funny part is, now my Win10 tablet will be less secure because it's unable to update...

I could wipe the Android OS, but this would defeat the purpose of having a dual OS tablet.

"Stuck on stupid" on this one, no options...

jkenjohnson

11-16-2015, 01:13 PM

I got 10 free even though I bought a computer with 8 on it. I haven't had any issues that I remember? But my memory sucks so I could have had problems and just don't remember it. I have been running 10 for several months now.

burrocrat

12-28-2015, 10:16 PM

ok i got some news for you about windows 10. everybody already knows it spies on you, but did you know that it psychoanalyzes you too? it's true.

it took me a while to figure it out, but it is like those rorschach tests they used to give you in high school where the guidance counselor takes you to the psychiatrist visits and they show you those inkblot pictures and ask you what you think to decide if the thorazine is working or if maybe they should go back to the ritalin. everybody remembers those, right?

except they trick you by first giving you this crappy selection of about 6 screenlock images to start with on initial software install knowing you'll only kind of like any of them but are too busy to figure out how to download a picture of your favorite cat, then every few days they send you more and you have to click on like or dislike before you can get to the enter your password screen. after a while it starts to learn if you like loud busy cityscapes or quiet snowcapped peaks. and then it keeps refining the images it sends for your choice. they even thank you for your feedback and pretend to be genuinely interested in your help to make windows better and it makes you feel special at first but after a while you realize you are being mined and they mainly want to figure out how to appeal to your fears so they can get more money out of you. i am not going to tell you exactly what pictures they send me now, but i definately know they got me dialed in by now.

it doesn't really bother me that my amazon.com shopping history and at&t cell phone plan and whether i like pepperoni or ham on my pizza and porn preferences and where i browse for korean wives is out there on the interweb, that happens to everybody. but if they know intimately what pictures bring me peace and dole them out to me on a 3-day timer budget, i think that is going a bit too far. now bill gates and his minions know i am a sick freak. and even that still doesn't bother me much, but how they went about it i do find irritating. i would have just told them if they asked, no need to trick me.

oh well, i guess it's too late now, no use crying over spilt milk, but maybe the rest of you should know about this.

nnuut

12-29-2015, 09:26 AM

What's bothering me is they FLASH me a request that wants me to download Win 10 around 10 times a day, browser open browser closed it doesn't matter. That is getting on my nerves!!

Cactus

12-29-2015, 10:46 AM

Removing that pesky win10 upgrade notice: How To Easily Remove Windows 10 Upgrade Notifications (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/remove-windows-10-upgrade-notifications,30818.html)

nnuut

12-29-2015, 11:45 AM

Thanks Cactus, I'll do that when I get back to that computer~!

Whipsaw

12-29-2015, 10:31 PM

I have a laptop running vista that I'm going to set up to dual boot to Ubuntu for trial purposes, need to see how it works and what it can do so I can try and get away from Bill...

userque

12-29-2015, 11:03 PM

I have a laptop running vista that I'm going to set up to dual boot to Ubuntu for trial purposes, need to see how it works and what it can do so I can try and get away from Bill...

You can also run it from a DVD without actually altering your system.

burrocrat

12-29-2015, 11:14 PM

You can also run it from a DVD without actually altering your system.

unless your laptop doesn't have a dvd drive. there is a reason for that.

userque

12-29-2015, 11:40 PM

unless your laptop doesn't have a dvd drive. there is a reason for that.

good point.

burrocrat

12-30-2015, 06:23 AM

Pizza order helped lead authorities to 'affluenza' teen, mother | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/30/pizza-order-helped-lead-authorities-to-affluenza-teen-mother.html?intcmp=hpbt4)

A cellphone used to order pizza helped lead authorities to the whereabouts of a teen fugitive known for using an "affluenza" defense and his mother in a Mexican resort town this week.
According to a police report issued by the Jalisco state prosecutors' office, Ethan and Tonya Couch used one of their phones to order Domino's Pizza for a room at a condominium in the beach city of Puerto Vallarta. A U.S. Marshals Service agent tipped authorities in Mexico about the location of the phone on Monday.

they were probably running windows 10 on their devices.

userque

12-30-2015, 06:58 AM

Pizza order helped lead authorities to 'affluenza' teen, mother | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/30/pizza-order-helped-lead-authorities-to-affluenza-teen-mother.html?intcmp=hpbt4)

they were probably running windows 10 on their devices.

Right! :) But it's probably deeper than that. Goes to show that having 'money' doesn't automatically buy you a clue. :blink:

userque

12-30-2015, 07:01 AM

unless your laptop doesn't have a dvd drive. there is a reason for that.

Forgot to mention that you can also run it from a bootable USB drive.

burrocrat

12-30-2015, 07:09 AM

they were probably running windows 10 on their devices.

silly rabbit, everybody knows you can't run windows 10 on your phone, yet. that's a misnomer.

but here is how the system works: one of them fugitives before they fled had a computer at home running windows 10, which automatically makes it very convenient to connect through your wifi to all the great treasures of the digital world and also to connect with all other devices in range which could be your potential friends, or enemies they never quite say. and it logs those connections, and purchases and likes and peeks.

later if they want to find you and you screw up and order pizza and one of those nodes on your recorded network activates, they got you. probably knew about where you were anyways and saturated the local market with dominos pizza ads because junior likes two pepperoni and jalapeno mediums and mom can't resist the sweet and spicy wings on sale. so they run the special where they know you will see it, you can't hardly avoid the temptation after eating street tacos for two weeks your mouth waters until you can't stand it so you log in with your silent smart phone and order your usual. ding dong. pizza is here. got you.

you can run all you want, but they will be waiting for you at the edge of the cliff. maybe even send the hounds to chase you there. yay cloud computing! got you already, every single one of you. just a matter of when is the optimal time to draw the noose. dance baby dance. that is how they caught affluenza teen. only took a couple weeks, but they had them dead nuts from the minute they broke and made a run for it.

the really funny part of this story is that mexican authorities caught, detained, and now are going to deport u.s. illegal immigrants. ha! now that is rich!

burrocrat

12-30-2015, 07:14 AM

Forgot to mention that you can also run it from a bootable USB drive.

all commercial thumb drives available to a retail consumer are already back-door hacked and cracked at the point of manufacture, just need to know the key and have clearance algorithm. that is what we pay the nsa for and the reason for that big giant server farm in toole (too will yah).

welcome to the borg. on the bright side, they have seven of nine there and everybody wears tights.

userque

12-30-2015, 07:39 AM

silly rabbit, everybody knows you can't run windows 10 on your phone, yet. that's a misnomer. ...

Interesting post :) But just to be clear:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_Mobile

... Windows 10 Mobile entered public beta for selected Lumia brand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Lumia) smartphones on February 12, 2015.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_Mobile#cite_note-verge-w10notlaunch-7) The first Lumia smartphones powered by Windows 10 Mobile were released on November 20, 2015 ...

userque

12-30-2015, 07:47 AM

all commercial thumb drives available to a retail consumer are already back-door hacked and cracked at the point of manufacture, just need to know the key and have clearance algorithm. that is what we pay the nsa for and the reason for that big giant server farm in toole (too will yah).

welcome to the borg. on the bright side, they have seven of nine there and everybody wears tights.

Just to be clear for the readers, most retail USB drives are not encrypted--hence, no need for a backdoor. Even so, most security minded folks (obviously not the folks caught in Mexico recently) would layer their own, trusted encryption, on top of an encrypted drive.

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"All your base are belong to us."

userque

12-30-2015, 08:02 AM

How to install Windows 10 on your phone - CNET (http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-install-windows-10-technical-preview-on-your-phones/)

Microsoft has made Windows 10 Mobile available for those who like to live life on the bleeding edge of tech ...

Cactus

12-30-2015, 09:01 AM

For those security minded folks: Microsoft may have your encryption key; here (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/microsoft-may-have-your-encryption-key-heres-how-to-take-it-back/)

userque

12-30-2015, 09:07 AM

For those security minded folks: Microsoft may have your encryption key; here (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/microsoft-may-have-your-encryption-key-heres-how-to-take-it-back/)

Right! But just to be clear, I wasn't referring to using M$ to encrypt a USB drive. The original discussion was about running Ubuntu from the USB drive. :)

userque

12-30-2015, 09:14 AM

For those security minded folks: Microsoft may have your encryption key; here (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/microsoft-may-have-your-encryption-key-heres-how-to-take-it-back/)

Nevertheless, addressing what you post.

It's most likely an oxymoron as real security minded folks would never store encryption keys on M$ servers.

Cactus

12-30-2015, 09:26 AM

Nevertheless, addressing what you post.

It's most likely an oxymoron as real security minded folks would never store encryption keys on M$ servers.
True. I think the article was informing some people that they may have inadvertently done so without knowing it and this is what to do about it.

And yes, this has nothing to do with running Linux from a thumb drive. I do highly recommend it for those who haven't tried it yet. :banana:

Whipsaw

12-30-2015, 02:16 PM

I've got the CD ROM drive, will likely try the live disk first, then play with the thumb drive approach. Thanks! :D

TSP-roulette

12-30-2015, 02:17 PM

all commercial thumb drives available to a retail consumer are already back-door hacked and cracked at the point of manufacture, just need to know the key and have clearance algorithm. that is what we pay the nsa for and the reason for that big giant server farm in toole (too will yah).

welcome to the borg. on the bright side, they have seven of nine there and everybody wears tights.

Toole County in Montana has that big giant server farm with the seven of nine busting it out??? News to me. This might be the farm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyO4grJvdKc

userque

12-30-2015, 06:22 PM

I've got the CD ROM drive, will likely try the live disk first, then play with the thumb drive approach. Thanks! :D

Great. You'll have to set your puter to boot from USB of course. The advantage with USB is that you can easily save your linux session; save files; save settings; etc. But USB method might be more tricky to do than live CD depending upon the age of your puter and/or its current security settings.

Let us know how you get along. :)

userque

12-30-2015, 06:56 PM

Great. You'll have to set your puter to boot from USB of course. The advantage with USB is that you can easily save your linux session; save files; save settings; etc. But USB method might be more tricky to do than live CD depending upon the age of your puter and/or its current security settings.

Let us know how you get along. :)

I should clarify.

On the puter that I run the live CD on, the harddrive is encrypted. So I can't access the harddrive from linux (without a lot of drama). Even so, I could save files to a USB drive; but not the linux session. afaik. So, the next time I boot from the CD (DVD actually), I have to reconfigure linux again from its default settings, (wifi, etc.) no biggie for what I use it for.

You may be able to easily access your harddrive while on linux if it's not encrypted, I don't know. I purposely know nothing about w10 :)

userque

12-30-2015, 08:58 PM

English - Home - W10Privacy (http://www.winprivacy.de/english-home/)

The by default highly questionable set options concerning privacy and data protection in Windows 10 brought me to the idea for the development of this little program. Microsoft generously enables everybody to change the concerning settings, but hides them in countless menus, where a normal user does not want to search for!

The program should therefore be a help, to display the available settings relatively clearly and to set the desired options if necessary. ...

userque

12-30-2015, 09:09 PM

https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/52136411/windows-7-backdoor

https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/52132204 (https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/52136411/windows-7-backdoor)

userque

12-31-2015, 11:39 AM

Microsoft continues aggressive upgrade strategy for Windows 7 and 8.1 systems - gHacks Tech News (http://www.ghacks.net/2015/12/07/microsoft-continues-aggressive-upgrade-strategy-for-windows-7-and-8-1-systems/)

Come on guys. If you don't let t̶h̶e̶ ̶N̶S̶A̶ M$ push w10 onto your puter, the terrorists win.

TSP-roulette

12-31-2015, 01:19 PM

Does anyone use "Cortana"?.......Watch out:

Exercise Cortana CautionWhile Cortana may be one of the most exciting parts of Windows 10, she’s a bit intrusive. Microsoft prides itself on Cortana’s ability to learn about you and create a more personal experience, but in order to do this Cortana has to gather a lot information from you. This information includes anything from location, contacts, and even speech and handwriting data. Perhaps most significantly, all your interactions with Cortana are stored in the cloud.
All of this is part of Microsoft’s attempt to make Windows 10 more personalized, but if that sounds too creepy for you, you can adjust your settings by logging in here (https://www.bing.com/account/personalization). From there you can clear the “interests” data that Cortana and Bing learned about you, as well as clear other Cortana data including “Speech, Inking and Typing” information.

userque

01-05-2016, 04:10 PM

Microsoft may be collecting more data than initially thought - gHacks Tech News (http://www.ghacks.net/2016/01/05/microsoft-may-be-collecting-more-data-than-initially-thought/)

... The same article revealed data that may be of concern to privacy conscious users. If you read it carefully, you will notice that Microsoft provides aggregate usage statistics not only for the operating system's uptime, but also information about individual programs running on it. ...

userque

01-09-2016, 03:37 PM

This preference (DisableOSUpgrade) prevents the upgrade to Windows 10 - gHacks Tech News (http://www.ghacks.net/2016/01/08/disableosupgrade-prevents-the-upgrade-to-windows-10/)

... It is interesting to note that Microsoft has made the information available with the release of Windows 10 but that many users don't know about these options. ...

Whipsaw

01-17-2016, 03:18 PM

I downloaded and made a live disk of Ubuntu 14.04 I booted to it and am making this comment from the Firefox browser that came with the OS. Have to say its pretty cool. Starting to check out the office suite (MS compatible)... there are many apps available apparently, mostly free... if this gets me off MS... touchdown! :D

Next step, new partition and dual boot config!

userque

01-17-2016, 09:46 PM

Microsoft: next-gen processors only supported by Windows 10 - gHacks Tech News (http://www.ghacks.net/2016/01/16/microsoft-new-intel-processors-only-supported-by-windows-10/)

Microsoft announced an upgraded support policy for Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 customers in which the company details support for next silicon generations such as Intel's Kaby Lake, Qualcomm's 8996 or AMD's Bristol Ridge.

In essence, devices with these processors will not be supported by previous versions of the Windows operating system but only by the "latest", which at the time of writing is Windows 10.

There you have it, another thumbscrew for Windows customers who prefer previous versions of Windows over the current version. ...

alevin

01-17-2016, 09:51 PM

userque

01-17-2016, 10:01 PM

Looks like I may have to graduate to Ubuntu when the time comes that I can't keep using 7. I hope not for awhile yet. Question-will I be able to import Firefox favorites into Ubuntu version of Firefox when I make that transition, whenever I do?

The way that normally works is:

If you sync your browser online (so all your devices have the same bookmarks, history, etc.), you can just log in to your account and it'll sync on ubuntu as well.

If you don't sync your stuff, you can export your bookmarks into a file (thumb drive, for example), then on ubuntu, import the file.

I haven't researched this...it's just they way things normally work. :)

Whipsaw

01-17-2016, 10:03 PM

Looks like I may have to graduate to Ubuntu when the time comes that I can't keep using 7. I hope not for awhile yet. Question-will I be able to import Firefox favorites into Ubuntu version of Firefox when I make that transition, whenever I do?

Firefox
favorites can be exported and then imported into another Firefox instance, as that in Ubuntu. I have found there is also a Windows Emulator (Wine) that will allow windows programs to run as well. Just scratching the surface at this point.

burrocrat

01-17-2016, 10:11 PM

userque

01-17-2016, 10:14 PM

... Windows Emulator (Wine) that will allow windows programs to run as well ...

It will allow a lot of windows programs to run. :) A virtual machine should handle the rest.

userque

01-17-2016, 10:19 PM

so riddle me this: if one is going to ditch their old master because of privacy concerns, why would they want to import all their old bugs into their new master and give the new master the same old bugs? doesn't that defeat the purpose of unbuntu?

Depends.

For hardcore privacy, you would have never been using windows...and you won't be using the stock firefox.

But most here aren't concerned about protecting their privacy once their box is seized by a state power...foreign or domestic.

They simply don't want their OS/NSA spying on them, downloading stuff whenever it wants to...whatever it wants to...analyzing their files...etc.

So in that case, they want a different, open sourced, OS.

Imo.

Whipsaw

01-17-2016, 10:24 PM

so riddle me this: if one is going to ditch their old master because of privacy concerns, why would they want to import all their old bugs into their new master and give the new master the same old bugs? doesn't that defeat the purpose of unbuntu?

Ubuntu is a Linux based OS (there are several others 'Mint' 'Fedora' 'RedHat'), all are based on Unix (as is Apple). Unix is much more stable than Windows, the code is tighter and much less vulnerable to viruses/malware. There are allot of Linux based apps to replace the windows based ones, but the windows programs you cannot live without can be run in Ubuntu with an emulator.

userque

01-17-2016, 10:35 PM

36718
I recently installed Windows 10 for testing... This is my Grub screen | Rebrn.com (http://rebrn.com/re/i-recently-installed-windows-for-testing-this-is-my-grub-screen-653938/)

Someone at this link raised a good concern about dual booting with win10, if your concern is win10 privacy...win10 could potentially still access the linux partition (what follows are my thoughts) and/or install a rootkit designed for other OS's...including linux.

alevin

01-17-2016, 10:52 PM

So...."stock" Firefox? Is there a "non-stock" Firefox?

burrocrat

01-17-2016, 11:11 PM

So...."stock" Firefox? Is there a "non-stock" Firefox?

yes. it is called morse code by carrier pigeon, but sometimes the pigeon unexplainably dies. the internet was created by al gore and darpa gov is the internet, don't be fooled. if you want to exist or transact in the modern environment then you must submit your number to the beast. there is no way around it unless you like living in caves and eating roots and berries and squirrels. also showers are out but at midnight sometimes you can sneak in a bath at the creek with only the drones watching.

alevin

01-17-2016, 11:18 PM

You're on fire tonight, b. Must be the aftershock from the debate. Wondering if UQ has a different answer.....he seemed to imply an alternate browser was available and better, but didn't name the mystery browser alternative.

burrocrat

01-17-2016, 11:21 PM

You're on fire tonight, b.

some like it hot.

userque

01-17-2016, 11:51 PM

So...."stock" Firefox? Is there a "non-stock" Firefox?

The TOR project uses a hardened and stripped down version of Firefox for their browser. It's not better. It's bare-bones. It's normally used when surfing the darknet and is designed for extreme privacy.

alevin

01-18-2016, 10:12 AM

The TOR project uses a hardened and stripped down version of Firefox for their browser. It's not better. It's bare-bones. It's normally used when surfing the darknet and is designed for extreme privacy.

:blink: TOR, heard of it, not familiar, obviously. think I'll focus on replacing windows with Ubuntu when current OS is no longer updateable, and/or security software supporting Win7 is no longer supported. I still have a WinXP machine, it doesn't go out on the net very often any more. definitely not for things requiring passwords.

nnuut

01-18-2016, 03:08 PM

So...."stock" Firefox? Is there a "non-stock" Firefox?

I'm using Waterfox with my two 64 bit computers, I like it!

userque

01-30-2016, 06:20 PM

Report: Microsoft Edge leaks private browsing data locally - gHacks Tech News (http://www.ghacks.net/2016/01/28/microsoft-edge-leaks-private-browsing-data-locally/)

... The researcher's investigation of locally stored data by Microsoft's Edge browser came to the conclusion that the browser is storing private browsing data in a local database even after the session is ended. ...

Whipsaw

01-31-2016, 05:53 PM

Just shrunk my c:\ volume to install Ubuntu...

Whipsaw

01-31-2016, 09:43 PM

Just shrunk my c:\ volume to install Ubuntu...

Dual boot installation successful!
Running in Ubuntu now :D

userque

02-09-2016, 01:20 AM

Windows 10 PC's phone home even after privacy hardening - gHacks Tech News (http://www.ghacks.net/2016/02/08/windows-10-phones-home-even-after-privacy-hardening/)

... He turned off all privacy-related features during custom installation, and let the computer sit idle for eight hours straight afterwards logging network traffic.

In the eight hours Windows 10 made 5508 connection attempts. ...

Only the innocent are surprised by this.

userque

03-27-2016, 03:08 AM

Never10
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

Never 10 is an easy to use utility which gives users control over
whether their Windows 7 or 8.1 will upgrade itself to Windows 10.

Scout333

04-16-2016, 10:59 PM

Hello TSP'rs, I have been having serious problems with my computer running super slow. Lots of sites not responding, etc. Found a way to fix most of it by resetting. Basically allows you to retain personal files for the most part. Wouldn't do it without backing up of course. Make sure you have all your apps backup disks since those will go away. Especially Microsoft Office if you have it and your Product Keys, etc. Lots of effort but it seems to have cured the majority of my problem!

PessOptimist

04-16-2016, 11:33 PM

Could you possibly be a little more specific Scout?

Scout333

04-17-2016, 09:45 PM

To do the reset go to the Settings section, Select Windows Update, Recovery,Backup section, then select Recovery and then select Reset this Computer. Hope this helps!

JTH

04-18-2016, 07:29 AM

Because you mentioned sites not responding, it sounds more like a network driver problem to me.

I've invested a lot of hours into Windows 10 and it's inability to multitask wireless. My issues are now mostly resolved, but I'll tell you their bluetooth sucks and the wireless is a not as good as the previous OSs.

FKUBILL

Scout333

04-18-2016, 10:10 PM

Thanks JTH good to know!

pmaloney

06-05-2016, 09:07 AM

My wife's computer ran Windows 10 fine for many months but for last month or two it has lost setting and active tiles from the Start button and Edge, the Store and something else are blacked out on the task bar and won't run. Seems like she has lost all of the Windows 8 features and she is running Internet Explorer 11 instead of Microsoft Edge. The left mouse button does nothing to the start button but the right button brings up applications. The machine also runs slow but Internet Explorer works well.

I tried to re-install Windows 10 but it did not fix anything. I just upgraded one of my laptops to Windows 10 and it works fine but Norton complained that Edge does not support extensions and wanted me to switch to Internet Explorer. Any suggestions on fixing my wife's computer or problems with Microsoft Edge?

Thanks!

nasa1974

07-06-2016, 05:50 AM

Thought I would bring this to the top again. Getting close to the mandatory windows 10 update. Anymore good or bad news about windows 10?

Warrenlm

07-06-2016, 06:03 AM

Trying to keep things running without "upgrading" is becoming a full time job, monitoring Update, etc. Those who realized that it is pointless to resist are probably smarter than anyone, except userque who knows how to implement a different OS. :)

alevin

07-06-2016, 07:52 AM

I will experiment with ubuntu before surrendering to win10. even if I have to partition my hard drive and get technical help from my goto computer guy to transition me to different operating system.

k0nkuzh0n

07-06-2016, 09:18 AM

Have you ever used linux? If you have a 'computer guy' that isn't yourself, chances are Linux is not for you. Unless of course, you are looking for a (struggle) learning experience.

I will experiment with ubuntu before surrendering to win10. even if I have to partition my hard drive and get technical help from my goto computer guy to transition me to different operating system.

Valkyrie

07-06-2016, 09:22 AM

what is the latest to do? I have win 7 pro right now. should I upgrade or not? or just wait for win 11 or 12 etc.?
is there a site to show how to turn off all the tracking of 10?
thanks

jpcavin

07-06-2016, 10:18 AM

I just sold my soul to Apple. Cleared up all my computer troubles.

FogSailing

07-06-2016, 10:18 AM

Tiger25

07-06-2016, 11:30 AM

I pay the Geek Squad about $90.00 a year to monitor and fix any of the three devices we have. 2 laptops and one tablet. They do a great job 24/7.

Scout333

07-06-2016, 09:00 PM

I'm in the same boat V. I have a complete Music Studio in software that ties to my hardware...many thousands of bucks. It runs great on Windows 8.1. I'm afraid of 2 things...(1) Windows 10 won't be compatible with existing applications and (2) it will take up twice the space on my HD because it will store a bunch of stuff that I'll never use or see again on the C Drive but that I'm afraid to touch for fear of corrupting the entire system. Seems like a lot of risk. Would appreciate any thoughts from those that have already converted.
You'll get tons of junk you will never use but can go in and uninstall those apps you don't want. Like most of Windows products I have used there have been lots of quirks and issues but none too terrible so far. Some have required reinstalling various apps a little time consuming but fixable. JMHO

alevin

07-07-2016, 08:19 AM

Have you ever used linux? If you have a 'computer guy' that isn't yourself, chances are Linux is not for you. Unless of course, you are looking for a (struggle) learning experience.

No I haven't ever used linux. that's why I thought partitioning the hard drive would help so still having access to win7 pro would ease my frustrations with learning curve. I was pretty handy with DOS back in the day before Windows ever existed.

k0nkuzh0n

07-07-2016, 10:13 AM

Partitioning windows with linux can be tricky. The order of things matters, and if windows doesn't have control over the booting, you won't be able to get into your windows install.

If your computer allows booting to USB flash drive (most do these days), you can create a bootable linux flash drive. Thats probably the least-intrusive way test out linux. Flash drives are pretty cheap these days.

No I haven't ever used linux. that's why I thought partitioning the hard drive would help so still having access to win7 pro would ease my frustrations with learning curve. I was pretty handy with DOS back in the day before Windows ever existed.

blackoutcl

07-07-2016, 10:34 AM

MS has said WIN 10 is the last OS that will be released. There will not be a 11 or 12 just updates and patches to 10. Eventually 7 will not be supported and 8 soon to follow. I made the switch with a clean install last weekend. Then spent 2 hrs shutting down most of the possible spying. Info is still sent to MS via open ports but I think I nailed down most of them. The reason I switched was for DX12 and the fact that MS recently incorporated all the same spying into WIN7 and 8 that is in 10. I used Linux and Unix 10+ yrs ago and swore I would never go back. I did a dual boot Ubuntu on my sager lappy a few weeks ago and just don't like Ubuntu and don't have time to figure out how to use it again. WIN10 is stable but I now despise MS for being in cahoots with the NSA.

alevin

07-07-2016, 07:21 PM

first I've heard that win 7 and 8 now are as spied upon as win10. guess if that is the case, I'll try the bootable flashdrive and see if I can tolerate learning curve on Ubuntu. If I can't, maybe I'll surrrender to Apple finally, never tried Mac before either. been a x86 user since the beginning of time. :laugh: not in my budget for this year to purchase a Mac, so I'll limp along with other alternatives and see what I think come next budget year. this year is the year to purchase next vehicle, waiting at this point til Aug/Sept, after fire season is over, pad the income/savings side a little more before I shell out cash. spent some of the savings keeping a roof over siblings head recently. been vehicle windowshopping on the net, it'll take some longer distance out of town shopping within a few 100 miles to find what I even want to look at in person, sad to say-price, mileage, model/style/repair issues.

jpcavin

07-08-2016, 08:31 AM

PessOptimist

07-22-2016, 09:45 PM

After rereading everything I could find on TSPTalk and looking at some of the internet stuff and getting sick of Microsoft badgering me and talking to a couple people I know that did it, I am going to upgrade my lap top to win10 tonight.
Any advice while the restore for win8 is copying to the thumb drive?

PO

Scout333

07-22-2016, 10:19 PM

Wish you the best of luck PO! My experience has been reasonably positive with a few bumps in the road along the way.

FogSailing

07-22-2016, 10:51 PM

PO: Try this: Where to Download Windows 10, 8.1, and 7 ISOs Legally (http://www.howtogeek.com/186775/how-to-download-windows-7-8-and-8.1-installation-media-legally/)

FS

pmaloney

07-25-2016, 09:58 AM

I like Windows 10 and I just loaded it on my last / best laptop which was my final hold out.
I got a surprise when the Windows 10 install said it could not upgrade because it could not access the OEM System Drive and suggested I get a new PC.
Turns out the OEM System Drive was only 16 MB and Windows 10 needs 450 - 500 MB.
I found a nice free Partition Manager called MiniTool Partition Wizard Tool FREE 9.1 and things were good.

Microsoft Edge seems to run a little slow but IE still works or Chrome.

Also if you use the Microsoft Picture Manager from Office 2010 to edit and compress pictures you will have to re-load it since it is much better than the new one that comes with Windows 10.

Best of luck!

PessOptimist

07-25-2016, 08:42 PM

For those of you asking how the upgrade went,go to my account talk thread. On hold for now. Or in another lifetime, "HIA" (held in abeyance).

PessOptimist

02-15-2019, 06:06 PM

A really old thread but win10 still has some issues. The latest update, v1809, has been updating for over 4 hours and is 96% installed so far. That's why I am posting with the hated touch pad iPad. Anyone else having issues?

PessOptimist

01-05-2020, 06:07 PM

I just found out that I could upgrade my win 7 desktop to win 10 for free. The link I used is below. I was never asked for the product key for win7. Just chose keep my files and did it. It took a while to download updates after installation. Office 2013 wouldn’t work afterward but going to apps, change, repair in control panel fixed that. I was asked for the office 2013 key. So far so good and no more dire warnings about the world ending since win 7 is no longer supported at the end of the month.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10?ranMID=24542&ranEAID=0JlRymcP1YU&ranSiteID=0JlRymcP1YU-uhkny.QuaHzOpXXHhZ6oyg&epi=0JlRymcP1YU-uhkny.QuaHzOpXXHhZ6oyg&irgwc=1&OCID=AID2000142_aff_7593_1243925&tduid=(ir__bbb1j3himckfthp3kk0sohzizm2xl1e2jkjtzes v00)(7593)(1243925)(0JlRymcP1YU-uhkny.QuaHzOpXXHhZ6oyg)()&irclickid=_bbb1j3himckfthp3kk0sohzizm2xl1e2jkjtzes v00

YMMV

PO

PessOptimist

01-14-2020, 06:38 PM

Someone asked me how the upgrade went somewhere on here. OK is the term. No real problems on my desktop so far other than the office 2013 fix.

It went so well I offered to upgrade the SWMBO’s desktop. I had reservations about this as she is not the best IT costumer in the world. Most of her problems are handled by Geek Squad as she believes what they tell her as opposed to…

I did a backup and win7 rescue disk before starting. That of course took hours. It was late and I almost waited until the next day but realized I must be customer focused and do it during a no use window. I think I started the actual upgrade around 2230. At about midnight the download was complete and win10 went in to updating itself. Around 0130 it showed 35% complete so I went to bed. Woke up around 0400 and went to check. 65% complete. Went back to bed. Slept in until 0930 or so. The updates were completed and the desktop looked the same. I tried the apps she usually uses and all worked. Chrome even filled in amazon.com when I typed am. Looking good. She started using it with no complaints. Two days later I asked how win10 was working out. She stated she didn’t notice I had upgraded the computer. A true IT success story when the user doesn’t even notice the upgrade. As soon as I mentioned the upgrade of course she found a few minor things to complain about. Nothing serious.

Geek Squad wanted $150 win license fee plus $50 plus leaving the computer at Best Buy for a week.

The only issue with my desktop so far has been file sharing between laptop and desktop. I think I finally have that figured out but when I go to file explorer the other computer doesn’t show up under network. I have to actually type in the computer name. Security I suppose.

Any questions feel free to ask. I was happy to find I didn’t have to pay Microsoft for win10 since I procrastinated on the upgrade for so long.

PO