DOW not matching S Fund share prices

[Lionjudah1]

I have a concern about the differences in the ups and downs that are accounted for in the DOW and S Fund. I've noticed this several times before and so this is a growing concern. Shares are equally in the C Fund (S&P) & S fund (DOW). Friday, the S&P was down about 5 points and the DOW was just up 2 points. Today, Saturday, when I looked at my C Fund (S&P) price share, I wasn't surprised to see it down about 5 cents a share. But, I was surprised to see the S Fund (DOW) price share down over 10 cents, which by the way lost us about 600 bucks. Can anyone tell me why, when the DOW is up, that the TSP S Fund would show your price shares down? Thanks, Paul

[Danny]

I thought the Wilshire 4500 (^W4500) was what one uses to track the S Fund?

Danny

[Lionjudah1]

Well, what I see on the TSP menu investment fund, fund options is: "The S Fund's investment objective is to match the performance of the Dow Jones U.S. Completion Total Stock Market Index". I have read the wilshire 4500 somewhere in TSP website info, but this is what they have under this menu. When they use the words Dow Jones in this statement I take it means that they are somewhat paralleling the end of the day DOW numbers.

[Lionjudah1]

I noticed down at the bottom of this page TSP TALK put the fund chart matching the wall street acronyms. I.E.; S&P (C FUND), DOW (S FUND); ETC., ETC.

[Danny]

S&P 500 (C fund)
http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/t?s=%5EGSPC (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ESPX&t=1d)
1d (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ESPX&t=1d) 5d (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ESPX&t=5d) 3m (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ESPX&t=3m) 6m (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ESPX&t=6m) 1y (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ESPX&t=1y) 2y (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ESPX&t=2y)
Dow Completion (S fund)
http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/t?s=%5Ew4500 (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5Ew4500&t=1d)




1d (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5Ew4500&t=1d) 5d (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5Ew4500&t=5d) 3m (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5Ew4500&t=3m) 6m (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5Ew4500&t=6m)
EFA (I fund)
http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/t?s=EFA (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EFA&t=1d)
1d (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EFA&t=1d) 5d (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EFA&t=5d) 3m (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EFA&t=3m) 6m (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EFA&t=6m) 1y (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EFA&t=1y) 2y (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EFA&t=2y)
Bonds (F fund)
http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/t?s=agg (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=agg&t=1d)




1d (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=agg&t=1d) 5d (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=agg&t=5d) 3m (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=agg&t=3m) 6m (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=agg&t=6m) 1y (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=agg&t=1y) 2y (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=agg&t=2y)



At the bottom if TSP Talk I always see 4 charts that are linked to Yahoo.com...They are:
S&P 500 = C
W4500 = S
EFA= I
AGG = F
The Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) closed higher Friday up 0.02%.
But the W4500 Dow Completion (S Fund) chart closed down -0.66%...





Danny

[Lionjudah1]

I found out online the TSP board changed from Wilshire 4500 to this Dow Jones U.S. Completion Total Stock Market Index in February 2012. Below is the website if you want to see who TSP paid for the recommended change and the Hewitt report. TSP alone should have a chat line where all applicants can talk about their concerns and recommendations.

www.frtib.gov/pdf/minutes/MM-2012Feb-Att6.pdf

[James48843]

I found out online the TSP board changed from Wilshire 4500 to this Dow Jones U.S. Completion Total Stock Market Index in February 2012. Below is the website if you want to see who TSP paid for the recommended change and the Hewitt report. TSP alone should have a chat line where all applicants can talk about their concerns and recommendations.

www.frtib.gov/pdf/minutes/MM-2012Feb-Att6.pdf (http://www.frtib.gov/pdf/minutes/MM-2012Feb-Att6.pdf)

Well, that is a surprise. Thanks for the info.

[Lionjudah1]

With that information I went to the net to find the ticker symbol for Dow Jones U.S. Completion Total Stock Market Index which is DWCPF and plugged that into Yahoofinance symbol search window. and it came up with Fridays ending result for I guess we could now call the S Fund/DWCPF:
Dow Jones U.S. Completion Total (^DWCPF) -DJI707.77 http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/fi/03rd/down_r.gif 4.81(0.68%) Oct 12

So going to the DOW numbers doesn't give the correct information on the ups and downs of the S Fund. It appears the symbol DWCPF is what you watch at to parallel the S Fund and what it is doing. Previous post I had the DWCPF transposed. All of this is what I suppose. I'm just a student in all of this. But I wish we had a chat line on the TSP website so we could get straight-line info within that community. I didn't see in their information that they even had the symbol DWCPF in the explanation of the S Fund, so I don't know even know for sure if my assumptions are correct with this symbol.

[respro]

I believe the Wilshire 4500 tracks the S fund.

[respro]

I believe the Wilshire 4500 tracks the S fund.

Disregard, forgot to read the thread befote posting.

[clester]

I noticed down at the bottom of this page TSP TALK put the fund chart matching the wall street acronyms. I.E.; S&P (C FUND), DOW (S FUND); ETC., ETC.
It's called the Dow completion index (S fund) but the call letters are W4500 where the bold letters below that are located. That is what to look for. The actual Dow only has 20 stocks and our S fund has 4500 stocks. The next 4500 after the to 500 or S&p 500 in size. The S is fo small cap.

[Handballer]

"The actual Dow only has 20 stocks"?

I thought it was 30 stocks.

[sniper]

S fund is smalll cap. for some reason I can't look up the wilshire 4500 fund on e-trade, so i track the russell 2000 ($RUT) which is pretty much dead on with what the S fund returns

i thought the same thing when I first joined (S fund tracking the dow), and was confused when dow would go negative and S fund would still give a nice return and vice versa

[driz]

The S fund tracks the Wilshire 4500 alright. The best way to track it I know of is to simply go to YAHOO FINANCE and set yourself up a free portfolio. With that you can dial it up from any computer or smartphone and watch what it , the dow S and P ect and any other stock you choose as they roll by delayed 20 minutes or half hour. Just make sure you click the real time tab in the upper right corner along the sidebar and it should keep rolling as long as your computer stays on. As for the tabs on TSP Talk that indicate those market sectors for me at least it's hard to figure at a glance which one is what by the way they are laid out especially using a smartphone. Using Yahoo finance just seems to work better at least for me.

[twodaystocks]

I noticed that too. I use stockcharts.com to track all of my tsp funds and it wouldnt pull up the S fund at all. I found that either the IWM (russel 2000) or the DJUSS (dow small cap index) track very closely to what the S fund is doing.
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[twodaystocks]

The prices are different, but the "chart" is the same.

[ChrisKOP]

That has always confused me as well.

[twodaystocks]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49815214

Nice article on CNBC talking about how investors are putting more weight into municipal bonds (F Fund) because of concerns over market direction.

[twodaystocks]

I know many of you are wondering what index our S fund tracks. Some of you use the IWM or DJUSS as a close chart to track. I contacted TSP and got the index that our S fund matches, which is the DWCPF. The problem with that is I couldn't find a chart that I could view for technical analysis so I contacted stockcharts.com. I submitted a request for DWCPF index to be added to their chart lists and as soon as they add it, I was told I would be notified. As soon as I hear back from them, I will update this post so you can all track the actual index that your money is being put in to.

[Bquat]

I know many of you are wondering what index our S fund tracks. Some of you use the IWM or DJUSS as a close chart to track. I contacted TSP and got the index that our S fund matches, which is the DWCPF. The problem with that is I couldn't find a chart that I could view for technical analysis so I contacted stockcharts.com. I submitted a request for DWCPF index to be added to their chart lists and as soon as they add it, I was told I would be notified. As soon as I hear back from them, I will update this post so you can all track the actual index that your money is being put in to.Yea I know what you mean. I use SP-500 because I couldn't spread the other one past 3 days. Thanks.

[nnuut]

I use EWM pretty close. Sometimes a little different than the"S" due to charges levied by TSP.

[craigerv]

I know many of you are wondering what index our S fund tracks. Some of you use the IWM or DJUSS as a close chart to track. I contacted TSP and got the index that our S fund matches, which is the DWCPF. The problem with that is I couldn't find a chart that I could view for technical analysis so I contacted stockcharts.com. I submitted a request for DWCPF index to be added to their chart lists and as soon as they add it, I was told I would be notified. As soon as I hear back from them, I will update this post so you can all track the actual index that your money is being put in to.

twoday, I also did the same thing at StockCharts but like a year ago. I doubt they will add it unless a large number of folks request it. I've been using $emw which is the Wilshire and that tracks really well.

[twodaystocks]

twoday, I also did the same thing at StockCharts but like a year ago. I doubt they will add it unless a large number of folks request it. I've been using $emw which is the Wilshire and that tracks really well.
For now, I am using $DJUSS, but the $EWM chart looks pretty good too. Thanks

[ILoveTDs]

I use W4500 on google finance and it has been pretty spot on. I can view chart as far back as I like and zoom into single day.

[JTH]

I'm confused as to the point of this thread, unless the point is to confuse everyone. The S-Fund is the Wilshire 4500 Completion Index (Wilshire 5000 minus the S&P 500.)

On Freestockcharts.com Google and Bigcharts.Com use W4500
On Stockcharts.Com use $EMW
On Yahoo use ^W4500

The original post was missing crucial information, someone please lock this thread.