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TSP Trader System Supplemental

Developed by Trader Fred
 

The TSP Trader System's supplemental information.

This supplemental report is being offered to current TSP Trader Fred subscribers.  Fred had been working on a daily, weekly, and monthly signal systems but with the proposed TSP trading limits, they may not be as helpful as we had hoped.  Use the info as you see fit. 

If you trade funds outside of the TSP, these supplemental models can be very useful for finding more precise buying and selling points. 

We will start including ETF trading signals for IRA and personal accounts as more and more TSP participants look toward these vehicles as a supplemental alternative to the Thrift Savings Plan.  We will keep you posted.
 

Friday Morning Action for December X, 200X:

Daily Trader

Weekly Trader

TSP Trader System

Bond Trader

Buy SPY

Stay in AGG

Stay in SPY

Stay in AGG

TSP Trader Signal Summary:

TSP
Model

Signal

* Buy in
Symbol

Signal
Date

Effective
Date

 

Buy in
Price

Stop
Price

200X
Percentage

 

Daily

Buy

Alloc. #1

Yesterday

Today

 

N/A

N/A

-2.51%

Weekly

Hold

AGG

12/17/0X

12/18/0X

 

N/A

N/A

-5.82%

Trader

Hold

Alloc. #1

12/17/0X

12/18/0X

 

N/A

N/A

-5.50%

Bond

Hold

AGG

12/02/0X

12/03/0X

 

$101.65

$101.14

+0.60%

 N/A = No signals given

* Alloc. #1 is 50% in SPY, 25% in VXF & 25% in EFA.

* Alloc. #2 is 25% in SPY, 50% in VXF & 25% in EFA.

* Alloc. #3 is 25% in SPY, 25% in VXF & 50% in EFA.

* Alloc. #4 is 25% in SPY, 75% in EFA.

* Alloc. #5 is 25% in VXF, 75% in EFA.

AGG = F fund
SPY  = C fund
VXF  = S fund
EFA  = I fund

TSP Trader 2008 Performance

TSP Trader 2007 Back Testing Results

System Stop Loss Analysis

-- Trader Fred
 

The possibility always exists a submodel trade may not be profitable. Investing in the stock market is gambling, as past performance does not guarantee future performance.
 

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More on The TSP Trader System:


More on The TSP Trader System, taken from a late December Daily Market Commentary:

... "Trader Fred" will not be giving us the system.  He will be telling us when we have a buy or a sell signal.  It's kind of like taking an indicator like the ARMS index.  We don't need to know exactly how each measurement is determined.  We just need to know what the market tends to do at specific levels of the indicator.  That's what we'll be getting here.  But it is based on more than just one piece of market data.

Trader Fred will run his programs each night using that day's data, and the output will tell him whether the system is on a buy or sell signal.

A quick and simple overview shows us that there are 8 separate short-term trading models, each based on certain market criteria.  If any one of those 8 models is on a buy signal, then the system (labeled the long-term trading model below) is on a buy signal.  If all 8 go to a sell signal, then the system goes into a sell signal. 

In the example below, which is tough to see, The A, D, E, and F sub-models all had a buy signal at one point which put the entire system into buy mode (the black bars).  Those are dates on the left of those black bars.  You can see that there were a couple of points where there is a gap in the black bar and that is because none of the 8 sub-models were giving a buy signal.  That would be a time to sell.  But once one sub-model gives a buy signal, it's back to a buy for the system, and for us.
    


That doesn't tell you too much and I may be oversimplifying the explanation, but that is the gist of what we will be seeing. 

The system has been on a buy signal since early August of this year.  That would have equated to a 10.8% gain if you used a 100% C fund allocation during that time.  (More on allocations later.) The other day Trader Fred had told me that it looked like we would be getting a sell signal by the end of the week, but the last two days' activity set another one of the sub-models (sub-model J) into a buy mode so the system remains on a buy signal.

Oh, how I was hoping it would give that sell signal because you know I don't want to be a buyer with the market up this high.  Perhaps a sell off in the next couple of days will put us both on the same page.

What you do with the buy signal is basically up to you.  More conservative investors may never want to go to a 100% stock allocation, while aggressive investors / traders may want to move all their chips into one stock fund.  Not surprisingly, the back testing has proven that using 100% S fund on a buy signal and 100% G fund on a sell has shown the best results.  That may not always be the case and that may be where we have to use some analytical information.  Trader Fred is working on tweaking the system to generate an optimal allocation.  But to reiterate, your own situation should determine the amount of risk you wish to take.

As an example of the type of returns the system has been seeing (and again this is back testing and back tested results always seem to be a best case scenario since they are designed around past data) the system generated a return 2.5 times that of a buy and hold of the C fund since July 2003.  That is when share data was first introduced.  And, very importantly, you would have only been in the market 68% of the time.  That means about a third of the time you would have been safely in the G fund, as opposed to a 100% C fund buy and hold allocation where your account is at risk 100% of the time.

We will begin monitoring the returns of the system for tracking purposes on the first day of January 2007.  The signal will be determined by the program each evening and Trader Fred will then pass the info along to me.  I will then update the site with that information in the following morning's market comments. 

- One of our readers made an interesting point, asking if there was a "hold" signal rather than a buy or sell signal.  That is a great question.  The over-simplified answer is that the system is either on a buy (in stocks) or a sell (in the G fund).  But the buy signal, once given, really turn into a "hold" signal because you may have missed the optimal buy point.  We started offering the system signals here earlier this month, five months into a buy signal, so the buy signal is not very strong at all at that point, which we have stressed.

I posed the question to Trader Fred and here is his response:

"The Buy signal means to go from the G Fund to some combination of the C, S, I Funds the very first day the Buy signal is listed on the TSP Talk web site. The official trade is entered only on the first day the Buy signal is listed on the web site and not on any subsequent days. After that first day, the trade enters its Hold mode until a Sell signal is given to exit that trade and return to the G Fund. The trade is always exited on the very first day the Sell signal is listed on the TSP Talk web site. Exiting the trade after the specific Sell day has passed nearly always yields completely unpredictable and possibly catastrophic results.  
 
"Since we never really know in advance, the duration of a Buy or Sell signal, for each trade there is officially only one day to Buy into some combination of the C, S, I  Funds and only one day to Sell those C, S, I Funds and return back to the G Fund.  Outside of those trade dates, the results are unpredictable." 

Read about System Stop Loss Analysis | Relative Strength Trends

The preceding information is for educational purposes only. The % allocations are broad based opinions of the TSP Trader Fred Trading System and are not specific for any individual. Risk tolerance and time horizon may vary and subscribers should consult their personal advisors to develop a plan, custom tailored for their unique situation.
 

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