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    Soldat wrote:
    Ok I think your right about the 24 hour time frame, from noon eastern to noon eastern is the basis for the corrections and share prices but the I pretty much tracks the ishares MSCI EAFE which IS the EFA. Correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, thats what tom has at the top of the Message board as the I fund.the
    the EFA is an ishare or ETF (exchange traded fund), trades like a stock on u.s. stock exchange so it trades 9-4 est while international markets are closed or closing...japanese nikkei is 14 hours ahead of us. the MSCI EAFE 'Proper' if you will, is the index. EFA is the ishare that tracks the EAFA index, will give you a closing price at that webpage by 2 or 3 pm est.





    MSCI EAFE Index Fund (EFA)



    The iShares MSCI EAFE Index Fund seeks to provide investment results that correspond generally to the price and yield performance, before fees and expenses, of publicly traded securities in the European, Australian and Far Eastern markets, as measured by the MSCI EAFE Index.


    from http://www.ishares.com/fund_info/det...D50?symbol=EFA



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    Additionally, the I fund price most days will correlate exactly with the closing price of the MSCI EAFE which, as mentioned, is posted daily between 2:30 and 3:00pm. Occasionally the TSP people will alter the closing price of the I fund fund for a variety of reasons. Yesterday was one of those days. One possible reason is that the dollar fell pretty significantly yesterday AFTER 1:00pm. Whatever the reason, when you see it happen, you will usually see it re-corrected within a few days. Yesterday they posted a price that was 8 or 10 cents higher than it should have been so in the next couple of days you'll them post that same amount lower, not always in one chunk though.

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    ...so what it amounts to, is, that like

    our TSP hours- cob 12 noon est and the Wall Street hours cob at 4:00pm,

    the I fund closing hour (for figuring the % +/-) is that same relationship to our Wall Street 4pm closing.......

    ..we're at a disadvantage whatever

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    OHHKAy...so msci eafe closed today at +.848%. yesterday I fund gave us +1.427% and the msci eafe closed at +.811% an 'overpayment' of +.616%. so today should be .848 - .616%= +.232%, or about +4 cents....weeeeell seeee

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    FUTURESTRADER wrote:
    I fund ... today should be ... about +4 cents
    It will still be at $17.05 or maybe up/down 1 cent (more likely down).
    C & S funds will also be static.

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    FUTURESTRADER wrote:
    OHHKAy...so msci eafe closed today at +.848%. yesterday I fund gave us +1.427% and the msci eafe closed at +.811% an 'overpayment' of +.616%. so today should be .848 - .616%= +.232%, or about +4 cents....weeeeell seeee
    In theory. But I like I said sometimes you have to wait a few days to get back to even.

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    FUTURESTRADER wrote:
    OHHKAy...so msci eafe closed today at +.848%. yesterday I fund gave us +1.427% and the msci eafe closed at +.811% an 'overpayment' of +.616%. so today should be .848 - .616%= +.232%, or about +4 cents....weeeeell seeee
    You can't just add/subtract percentages; they're not linear. You have to multiply them. It's is nowhere near as simple as ya'll are trying to make it.

    Look at Tom's excel spreadsheets for the formula on how to accumulate daily percentages.

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    OK then, more specifically Wednesday's I fund price was 16.81. Thursdays MSCI EAFE went up by .811%. So Thursday's I fund price should have been 16.97. Instead it was 17.05, or 8 cents too much. Today's MSCI EAFE went up by .848%. Multiplied by 16.97 means todays I fund should be 17.11 IF and this a big if, they give the entire 8 cents back today. It could be as high as 17.19 if they decide not to give any of it back until next week.

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    Wheels wrote:
    OK then, more specifically Wednesday's I fund price was 16.81. Thursdays MSCI EAFE went up by .811%. So Thursday's I fund price should have been 16.97. Instead it was 17.05, or 8 cents too much. Today's MSCI EAFE went up by .848%. Multiplied by 16.97 means todays I fund should be 17.11 IF and this a big if, they give the entire 8 cents back today. It could be as high as 17.19 if they decide not to give any of it back until next week.

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    Calf Rope!
    I'll stop trying to predict the I-Fund.

    I will bow out now,
    Greg

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    Greg wrote:
    Wheels wrote:
    OK then, more specifically Wednesday's I fund price was 16.81. Thursdays MSCI EAFE went up by .811%. So Thursday's I fund price should have been 16.97. Instead it was 17.05, or 8 cents too much. Today's MSCI EAFE went up by .848%. Multiplied by 16.97 means todays I fund should be 17.11 IF and this a big if, they give the entire 8 cents back today. It could be as high as 17.19 if they decide not to give any of it back until next week.

    Dave

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    Calf Rope!
    I'll stop trying to predict the I-Fund.

    I will bow out now,
    Greg
    lol greg..we all have pieces of the puzzle, i think...still not solved yet tho

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    For the I-fund lovers...

    Japanese financial markets will be closed from Dec. 31 to Jan. 3 due to the New Year's holidays. There will be no Evening Edition from Dec. 29 through Jan. 3 and no Morning Edition on Jan. 2.
    "Auferre trucidare rapere falsis nominis imperium, atque ubi solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant."

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    Heres the ^n300 & ^n225. If this is not a peak, I would be hard pressed to spot one. Its easier to spot a peak than a valley. Sell high, even if we didnt buy at the alltime low, yes?
    "Auferre trucidare rapere falsis nominis imperium, atque ubi solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant."

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