Read em and weep!!

**alevin** · 07-29-2009, 02:39 AM

Either the increased taxes come to pay the ever-increasing interest on the existing debt, or we default and other countries stop loaning us any more money, and the $ finally becomes worth spit outside our boundaries (inside too?) and the gov (us) goes belly up from lack of cash flow. I picture a mime trying to get out of an invisible box.

**Boghie** · 07-29-2009, 02:41 AM

Birch,

The LibTards can only change the rules when they are in power.

All you oldsters with Social Security, a pension, and maybe some investments know that. Fifteen years ago you didn't have to declare ANY Social Security benefits, now you get to put them on Line 20 of your 1040. Enjoy

Anyway, I think it will be very difficult for Senator Kennedy to modify 401(k) tax treatment. The Boston area bankers will defund him in a heartbeat. His kind will attempt income tax increases. Good luck getting GenXers to buy into that. Good luck getting the retired Boomers to defund their fixed income retirement to buy into that.

That era is over...

The new era will be gubmint downsizing...

Good, Bad, Indifferent - it is what it is. The pension portion will be part of it because it CAN be touched by the greedy unseen hand. Who is going to defend gubmint bureaucrats? Rush Limbaugh

**alevin** · 07-29-2009, 02:00 PM

Steady, big bro, a huge smack on the cheek and thank you for the wonderful words of support when I'm all so gloomy doomy some days. My family history through the Depression says it doesn't all turn out roses, both sides survived, but as my mom says, one pair of great grandparents became "very poor" due to the Depression and financial miscalculation in the 20s (lost 2 family farms), for the rest of their lives into the 50s (they died before I was born). Family moved in with family, younger son/husband wage earner went to the big city, left wife and babies with the grandparents for a number of years. And yes, mods, please delete my earlier post and his response both.

**Steadygain** · 07-29-2009, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Elgallo

You bet this bothers me Steady, and NO, I don't live in some dream world. I am surprised you're not as upset.

The politicos (both sides) screwed things up, and now as usual, we may/will pay the price.

I say lock and load!

Hey man - let me get back to this for a minute.

I thought about this quite a bit last night and realize that the overwhelming bulk of the problem comes down to one central bottom line truth - by which our government and all governments around the world are run

MONEY TALKS - that is it - plain and simple

Everyone one of them works on a BRIBERY SYSTEM and ours is no different. We may have a 'better name' but it still boils down to the same thing.

As Long as MONEY is able to buy the Politicians and secure the Interests of those giving the Money - NOTHING is going to change.

So what I'd like to see is giving all those in the Senate and House a Salary - and make it illegal to accept any gifts or money from anyone esle. That's how my job is and all I work with are under the same rules.

When Politicians (or the underlying system) by which a country is run - are essentially 'bought' by BRIBES or it is outside Money that hugely determines the outcome of what is going to happen

TO ME THAT IS WRONG. So here I would have to give the Politicians a little slack because it is the only system they have ever known and they have no other choice but to work within that system.

SO - If we want to change things - change the RULES by which the system is upheld. The Government does not need 'Secret Money' to show their support for the vast array of industries that keep the country healthy.

So the more I think about it the more I realize it's not the Politicians we have to change - but it's way more the underlying system they are forced to work under.

**Elgallo** · 07-29-2009, 05:05 PM

**burrocrat** · 07-31-2009, 04:36 PM

Nothing wrong with chickens, gardens, tools, and a plan, we do it out here all day long. Like the they say, it's all about location, location, location. Put the credit card down and step away from the coasts. Get some beef in the freezer (and the pasture), love your neighbors, enjoy the sunset. We all shoot good out to 300+ yards, if it things go TU the raiders won't get much closer. Come on in, the prairie's fine.

**The HalfBreed** · 08-05-2009, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by Elgallo

Here is the comment Senator Coburn ....

"By the way, if you are a federal employee and unhappy with me trying to defeat this amendment, you should pay attention to something. There is no guarantee to your federal pension based on the economics we face today in this country.......

Our employer is some work of art eh!

It is becomming crystal clear as to why they want our guns, and FEMA camps can't be off the table either. I see my "Obama Deception" thread died quietly. Could there be a conspiracy....., sure, because the cards in the deck like it or not.

Uhh, the last time I looked, Senator Coburn was a member of the Right Wing Republican party.....

Maybe your anger is misdirected.....