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    Quote Originally Posted by kb9nvh View Post
    I'm 55 so I have the option of working longer. I'm on fers and have about 490 in tsp. Own about 250k of house no mortgage. About due for a new car and have money aside for that.
    Your not in bad shape. As PessOptimist pointed out, you can project both your pension and social security. Your 490K in TSP can safely generate $15K to $20K per year inflation adjusted. And, you have five years of investing left. If you find an allocation that is a bit safer than the one you have which makes 5% over inflation (total of 7% in today's environment) than you will have about $720K. That $720K will result in a safe, inflation adjusted income stream of a little more than $30K/year till age 90. If you retire at 65 your nest egg will be approximately a million. That will let you pull in a little more than $40K/year. If you want to be safer you can pull a little less and your nest egg should last forever.

    A very special book for initiating an investment allocation is Ric Edelman's "The Lies About Money". There are 40 allocations in it and a short quiz to kinda help you find one. His site is exceptional and his radio show is very, very good. At the moment I am typing this I am listening to his show. His free 'Guide to Portfolio Selection' is a valuable resource. That is what you need.

    And, you need to spend a little money and find a good adviser. Retirement investing is not gambling and da'Boyz and the greedy kleptocratic CEOs want to make money too. When they make money you do as well. Using Edelman's site and books I found the following three allocations for my baselines:

    • Aggressive: 2% G, 15% F, 48% C, 19% S, 16% I Expected Return: 6%, Expected Variance: 9%
    • Normal: 12% G, 22% F, 39% C, 15% S, 12% I Expected Return: 5%, Expected Variance: 8%
    • Conservative: 12% G, 27% F, 37% C, 13% S, 11% I Expected Return: 5%, Expected Variance: 7%

    In your situation you should never touch the Aggressive allocation. The way you read this is as follows: The Conservative Allocation (which should be your 'Normal Allocation') will generate an annual return of (5% + Inflation (say 2%)) +- 7% Variance (Risk) approximately 2/3rds of the time. That means that my Conservative allocation will generate between 0% and 14% in any one year about 66% of the time. If you extend the tails to 95% of the time the range extends to -7% and +21%. To contrast, the C Fund generally returns between -8% and +26% of the time. The S Fund is even more variant. And, between you and I, I would not count on the higher numbers. The Expected Return + Inflation has the highest chance of being met by far. And, something like 2008 messes with everything because all asset classes other than Cash (G) failed at the same time. Bonds (F) recovered quickly and Equities (C/S/I) powered out of the depths with muscle car gusto when they took off. But, what would happen if you were ready to retire before the ciallis took hold.

    Your odd allocation should return between -1% and 11% 2/3rds of the time. My guess is it will fail far more than the numbers suggest because you cash (G) holdings cannot compensate for a correlated decline in C/S Funds. That is, those funds will likely drop or raise at the same time and you have nothing that is likely not correlated to that action. Lastly, you might want to find a scientific allocation and shift a little of the Bond (F) assets to cash if concerned or Equities (C/S/I) if in a bull mode. Bonds are kinda toppy.
    Lookin' up at the 'G Fund'!!!

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    One last resource is actually Burrocrat's Thread. There is discussion in there that pertains to the above, plus there is something about Burro's odd trend analysis that seems valuable. I can't put my finger on it, but it has value...
    Lookin' up at the 'G Fund'!!!

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    OK, I like and appreciate you guys's helping me out...I never put that much thought into historical returns and putting confidence lines around it. Makes sense and I like you conservative allocation. I'll go ahead and make that change for tomorrow. I really dont want to have to think too much about what stocks are doing and really I lost track of time (ha 6 years I've not done much except keep it in G). During the 2000 bubble I lost about 1/4 of it before I bailed..then it kept going down I figured I was a hero..then when the s&P hit 650 I thought to myself, now much lower can this really go..and considered dumping it all back in at that time. Didn't to it..I would be rich today.hahaha. Finally but it back in pretty late but still enough to make some coin. Then 2008 happened and I did about the same thing except never put it back in because I figured obama was going to ruin the economy. It was about two years ago that I realized I dont know **** about the stockmarket.




    Quote Originally Posted by Boghie View Post
    One last resource is actually Burrocrat's Thread. There is discussion in there that pertains to the above, plus there is something about Burro's odd trend analysis that seems valuable. I can't put my finger on it, but it has value...

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    Hey kb9nvh,
    Glad you are taking all advice as constructive. I am not trying to be mean. Some describe me as pragmatic which I think is a big work for a**h*le. Curmudgeon is another descriptive term used in the past. As Boghie states you are not in bad shape. At least as far as many of us would think.
    I too have the house paid off and as there are no plans to move am dumping money in to the pit to upgrade major systems with the idea of not having to replace them after retirement. No guarantee that the strategy will work 100%.
    I like your statement and own it myself:
    I dont know **** about the stockmarket
    I chose an allocation myself and the co/owner of the TSP can live with and mostly stay there. Not always the best choice as I am now lamenting a $10k+ loss in the last 30 days. I did somehow manage to keep the 2008 loss to about .35% and was positive for 09. I never have figured out what would have happened if I had made more timely moves as living in the pasture is good for ruminants…
    I joined TSPTalk about that time and have learned much. I have also come to enjoy the social aspect of the MB and may come across as not serious. There are mixed opinions about this as within any group.
    You can find stories about pastures in burrocrat’s thread but also what Boghe stated.
    One other thing I wanted to mention about FERS. If you are planning on sticking around until you are 60, two more years will get you an annuity multiplier of 1.1% under the “62+20” rule. That can be significant and ask your HR people to figure that scenario too. If you get nowhere with your HR people being able to do that for you, let us know and we will point you to some other resources.
    Best of luck to you.
    PO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boghie View Post
    I can't put my finger on it
    it's all good hollywood, so long as you don't put your finger in it.
    100g

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