Thread: Passenger Jet Down Over Ukraine

Originally Posted by James48843

That map came from a program called "Flightaware".
FlightAware - Flight Tracker / Flight Status / Flight Tracking


It has a 10 minute built in delay in the display of the track.

The actual track continues until 30 miles from Russian boarder, then disappears.

Here is the actual flight track:
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MAS17/MH17) crashes in Ukraine

Right, I know my image was from Flightaware. I've used similar sites before to track my own flights. I'm not saying that is the source of what the news used... I have no idea what they used; but the map they showed this morning was similar to that one. I just searched google images to find one that looked like what I remember seeing. The graphics were different, but the trail ended at about the same spot... no where near Russia.

I'm curious as to why the huge discrepancy between the two flight paths... This was after 11am EST.

This one has a time stamp on it of 11:15 am:
MH176-1024x502.jpg

What were they thinking when they flew right over a WAR ZONE? Is this the same airlines that lost the 777 off of Somalia? Funny thing about that, but NOT funny.

Does Ukraine have surface to air missle systems?

Originally Posted by nasa1974

Does Ukraine have surface to air missle systems?

Yes, they have SA-4, 5, 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17 & 20s in their inventory.

This will take more than a day to sort out.

ATC recordings confiscated: Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet | Zero Hedge

Elsewhere reports on the black box (es?) being.....

US outlines case against Russia on downed plane

Source: AP-Excite

By MATTHEW LEE

WASHINGTON (AP) — Video of a rocket launcher, one surface-to-air missile missing, leaving the likely launch site. Imagery showing the firing. Calls claiming credit for the strike. Recordings said to reveal a cover-up at the crash site.

"A buildup of extraordinary circumstantial evidence ... it's powerful here," said Secretary of State John Kerry, a former prosecutor, and it holds Russian-supported rebels in eastern Ukraine responsible for shooting down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, with the Kremlin complicit in the deaths of nearly 300 passengers and crew members.

"This is the moment of truth for Russia," said Kerry, leveling some of Washington's harshest criticism of Moscow since the crisis in Ukraine began.

"Russia is supporting these separatists. Russia is arming these separatists. Russia is training these separatists, and Russia has not yet done the things necessary in order to try to bring them under control," he said.

FULL story at link.



A Ukrainian investigator looks at charred debris at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? near the village of Hrabove, eastern Ukraine, Sunday, July 20, 2014. Rebels in eastern Ukraine took control Sunday of the bodies recovered from downed Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, and the U.S. and European leaders demanded that Russian President Vladimir Putin make sure rebels give international investigators full access to the crash site.(AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)



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US tracked missile that
brought down
Malaysian Airlines Flight 17

Source: Yahoo News

The United States detected the launch of the “specific missile” that brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 last week, a senior administration official told reporters on Tuesday.

U.S. intelligence followed “this specific missile” as it was fired from “a geographic area” controlled by Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, said the official, who requested anonymity. It followed the near-vertical flight path characteristic of an SA-11 launch.

“We did pick up a launch. We were able to have the ability to track this specific launch,” the official said. It was not clear whether the official was referring to real-time monitoring by U.S. intelligence, or whether they went back through surveillance data after learning of the attack.

The official spoke as the United States ramped up efforts to convince skeptics that Moscow-backed rebels armed and trained by Russia shot down the passenger jet, killing all 298 people aboard. Russia has disputed the largely circumstantial American case and rejected responsibility.

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