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    They aren't soldiers either, they are civilians accused of crimes. They represent and defend no recognised Government or Country, and will NOT be released when the batles are over - enemy combatants would be released. I'd be worried if they were subject to military law, they could just argue that they are soldiers - if they weren't why put them before in a court meant for the military?

    As for charging them with something. I think conspiring to commit mass murder, on the other hand, could, if handled properly would fall under our local Mob laws....
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    Exactly. Why are we making criminals into soldiers, and trying to make soldiers into criminals? We respect soldiers, even when they're fighting against us. And they are subject to the law of warfare. These are criminals, not soldiers. Sometimes it's as if I'm hitting my head against the wall, trying to show the difference between the two.

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    Does anyone remember why we stopped development of the neutron bomb?


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    Quote Originally Posted by phil View Post
    Exactly. Why are we making criminals into soldiers, and trying to make soldiers into criminals? We respect soldiers, even when they're fighting against us. And they are subject to the law of warfare. These are criminals, not soldiers. Sometimes it's as if I'm hitting my head against the wall, trying to show the difference between the two.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrenlm View Post
    Does anyone remember why we stopped development of the neutron bomb?
    Yep, to stimulate the construction sector!



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    Quote Originally Posted by nnuut View Post
    Yep, to stimulate the construction sector!
    Good one nnuut
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbird View Post
    He's NOT a soldier. No rights as an "enemy combatant". Not military, no military trial. That guy probably only knows "in theory" how to wield a weapon; he doesn't deserve the right to a military trial.
    I have to disagree, you do not need to know how to wield a firearm to be a weapon. Even our own militia during the Revolution were not "soldier" but were very effective. I know a bunch of redneck coon asses that could do some real damage on a battlefield with no training.

    Saddam and Hitler pulled old men and kids off the streets to hold a weapon on a line. They were soldiers.

    He was a soldier and at the very least a enemy of the citizens that our Soldiers defend.

    Had he done the same act on a battlefield he would still be a soldier of the enemy.

    In my world he would already be dead. Smoking underwear and all.

    On another note, not very funny that it is being reported that two of the terrorist/soldiers/enemy combatants released from GITMO were in on the planning. Brilliant to let them go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phil View Post
    Exactly. Why are we making criminals into soldiers, and trying to make soldiers into criminals? We respect soldiers, even when they're fighting against us. And they are subject to the law of warfare. These are criminals, not soldiers. Sometimes it's as if I'm hitting my head against the wall, trying to show the difference between the two.
    Yep, they recognize you as the weak spot in our armor and they will exploit it every time. I bet we get to provide him with the best lawyer taxpayer money can buy. More money and resources down your sanctimonious black hole. Keep pandering them, they are all counting on you and your kind!

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    My argument is he receives too many rights under military law, he'd simply be a soldier. I know there are many weapons but if a weapon a soldier makes, we have lots of soldiers in our prisons today (who would never qualify for the armed forces in any country except as a conscript). Now, Saddam Hussain was a different matter - we handed him over to his sucessors, we did not try his case.

    Last I checked he wants a court appointed lawyer - that's hardly the best taxpayer money can buy - the best (or at least the highest expense) are the lawyers who work in federal service interpreting law for the govenment. Court appointed lawyers are notoriously overworked and underpaid.

    If he gets the best lawyer, it'll be with the help of daddy or grampa; better them paying for it than me - but it appears daddy and gramps are kinda mad at him at the moment.
    Last edited by Silverbird; 12-29-2009 at 04:44 PM.
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    I see your point but the military will be swift and efficient. They will usually not allow a media circus for the followers to feed upon.

    As far as not being a Country, they are a organized group of trained persons. Each trained to carry out a task like the kamikaze of WWII. Granted they are not as structured as a industrialized fighting force but they are structured, funded, trained, and focused on their enemy and will do anything to inflict casualties. No prisoners for them unless they can shoot a video of them cutting off a head to rally their troops and demoralize their enemies.

    See them for what they are! This IS combat, war and they are the enemy whether you call the soldiers or combatants or criminals. They are the enemy and they would not hesitate to kill you and your family.

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    We don't treat them as soldiers, but as criminals.

    Fortunately, we do recognize international law. People from the Nigerian embassy will be given access to him. We're not currently at war with Nigeria. Is that on the agenda? In the end, we have to also rely on foreign countries to assist us in matters relating to air travel. Whether you think that's right or not. International air travel is....international. It's not from Kentucky to Ohio, no matter what you may think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Show-me View Post
    Yep, they recognize you as the weak spot in our armor and they will exploit it every time. I bet we get to provide him with the best lawyer taxpayer money can buy. More money and resources down your sanctimonious black hole. Keep pandering them, they are all counting on you and your kind!
    Last edited by phil; 12-29-2009 at 04:57 PM.

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    I wish they were an army and represented a country, we could declare war on it, and capture it, or bomb it into little pieces! They represent no land in existance, they just run away to somewhere else. If they were an army at war representing a country they would be subject to combat all the time, and have land to defend - and we could make them defend it.

    The Kamikaze of WWII were trying to kill us so we wouldn't take Japan - but we defeated them and took over their country, yes? Taking over Yemen, or Nigeria unfortunately isn't going to stop the terrorists, and we'd be stuck defending another country. Plus, when we captured Kamikaze's we didn't execute them because they were enemy combatants - in the case of the terrorists they deserve no such rights.
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