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    Boeing picks South Carolina for 2nd 787 line

    Boeing selects South Carolina for 2nd production line for much-delayed 787 jetliner

    By Daniel Lovering and George Tibbits, Associated Press Writer
    11:30 pm EDT, Wednesday October 28, 2009


    SEATTLE (AP) -- Boeing Co. will open a second assembly line for its long-delayed 787 jetliner in South Carolina, expanding beyond its longtime manufacturing base in Washington state to take advantage of economic incentives and a nonunion work force.

    More: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Boeing...85375.html?x=0


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    (note: South Carolina's anti-union laws make sure worker wages and benefits there will be much lower than Washington State. Say goodby to high-paying manufacturing jobs in the aerospace manufacturing sector, as another company heads to the DeMint south to ensure low wages prevail.)

    SPEEA (Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace) statement:

    October 28, 2009


    Boeing’s choice of South Carolina will compound 787 problems, according to SPEEA – IFPTE Local 2001


    SEATTLE – The Boeing Company’s decision to place the second 787 production line in South Carolina will hurt a program that is already stretched to its limit, according to the head of the labor union representing the company’s engineers and technical workers.


    “We are astounded that Boeing has chosen to compound the problems of the 787 program by further fragmenting the supply chain,” said Ray Goforth, executive director of the Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA), IFPTE Local 2001. “There is no credible business case for this decision.”


    A number of SPEEA-represented engineers and technical workers are already in South Carolina. Goforth said the union will follow members and the work as Boeing expands operations in Charleston for the new 787 line.


    A local of the International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers (IFPTE), SPEEA represents 24,950 aerospace professionals at Boeing, Spirit AeroSystems in Wichita, Triumph Composite Systems, Inc., in Spokane, Wash., and BAE Systems, Inc., in Irving, Texas.

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    James, Where the heck do you get the time to post all this stuff?

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    ...Where the heck do you get the time to post all this stuff?
    I got a special deal on a time machine.

    It gives me 28 hours in every day. :-)

    Except every once in a while it hiccups, and I lose a whole day here and there.

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    Statement from IAM 751:

    October 28, 2009 – “Boeing has betrayed our loyalty once again, walking away from our discussions just like they walked away from Seattle eight years ago to move to Chicago,” said Tom Wroblewski, president of IAM 751.


    “We tried very hard to reach an extended agreement with Boeing. We listened closely to what executives said, and suggested ideas to meet their needs. We offered concrete, real-world solutions.

    “But I can tell you now, no matter what Boeing says or implies, the truth is this: We did offer Boeing a 10-year contract, and even offered to go longer than that. And when we did, they seemed stunned, and stopped talking.

    “It was obvious to me that Boeing wasn’t really interested in working with us. They didn’t take our proposals seriously and they never offered any proposals of their own. Most of the time, they didn’t even take notes.

    “It’s now clear that Boeing was only using our talks as a smoke screen, and as a bargaining chip to extort a bigger tax handout from South Carolina.

    “I haven’t reported this before — not to our members and certainly not to the media — because Boeing had asked for confidential talks. My word means something, so I said nothing, even while the company was leaking half-truths to reporters.

    “When our team asked Boeing if 10 years was going to be enough for them, they didn’t respond. And when I asked them to confirm that the extended contract would secure the second 787 line for Washington state, their reply was only: “Well, it would be helpful.” But they would not commit to anything.

    “Still, we tried to get a deal, because I know that’s what our members and our community wanted. To do that, we were willing to discuss any issue to get a deal that we could recommend to our members. We floated ideas on health care costs, wages, pensions and lump sums.

    “None of this mattered to Boeing. They didn’t want solutions, but only a scapegoat.

    “Our seven-week strike last year is not the reason the 787 is already more than 120 weeks behind schedule.

    “Instead of investing in our shared future and a highly talented workforce in a region ideally suited for aerospace, Boeing has decided to double-down on its failed 787 strategy and place an ill-advised, billion-dollar bet on a strategy that’s a proven loser.”


    More political reaction, from The Seattle PI website:

    Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire

    “I’m angry, I hurt for the workers, I think the company made the wrong decision.”

    On the question of additional incentives to the company: “I have to tell you, they’ve never raised that issue. Never, they’ve got over $3 billion sitting on the table and what’s the incentive for every 787 – they get more money in incentives. So the state, and the Legislature, I think, with (former Gov.) Gary (Locke), stood up to the question and the challenge. And it’s unmatched by anybody in the country. And the amount of money (from South Caroline) $170 million versus $3 billion. It has never been raised to me by (Boeing Vice President) Jim Albagh, or by (Boeing Vice Presidnet) Scott Carson. Scott Carson after the last legislative session when I said is there anything else the state can do with respect to the 787 line. He said, ‘don’t take away what you have on the table for us right now. Don’t take it away.’ And I said I will fight takeaways. Then when Jim Albaugh came I asked the same question of him, and I’ve asked it on numerous occasions, and today he made it very clear to me. ‘This is not about workers compensation, this is not about taxes from the state of Washington, this is not about you and your efforts or the Legislature and their efforts, because in fact they’ve been good efforts and we appreciate them…this is about negotiations with labor.”



    Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash.

    “I am most disappointed, I really believed that the two sides could’ve come together and had a good deal for both Boeing and the Pacific Northwest, and unfortunately we can’t reach that now,” she told KING5 news.

    “Very clearly, they were a stone’s throw apart in providing some real job stability, which Boeing has been telling us a long time that’s what they wanted. I thought there was time…to make that agreement and unfortunately Boeing saw it differently.

    “We have 80,000 families today, who are supported by Boeing, who go to work every day and build the best planes ever. We’ve had a lot of bad news in the region about Boeing over my lifetime … and we’ve always come together afterwards..We’re going to keep building planes in the Pacifc Northwest.”



    Everett Mayor Ray Stephanson

    “I am deeply disappointed by this turn of events. I had hoped for a different outcome.

    “This decision will have an adverse impact on many loyal and dedicated workers, suppliers and sub contractors here in Puget Sound. The effect of today’s decision will be widely felt in families, schools, local small businesses and community services.

    “While I hold out hope that the Company and the Union may still find a path to compromise, our task now is to demonstrate beyond a shadow of doubt our expertise by securing the Air Force tanker contract. Washington State still hosts an established, experienced, and knowledgeable manufacturing nucleus of 80,000 aerospace workers and 650 suppliers who have built the best airplanes in the world.

    We need to pull together as never before to ensure Washington State remains the center of aerospace manufacturing nationally and internationally.”



    Statement from the office of Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash.

    “Senator Cantwell received a call at 4:30 p.m. today from Jim Albaugh, President of Boeing Commercial Airplanes, that a decision was to be announced moving the second line of the Boeing 787 to South Carolina and that production would not take place until 2013.

    “Albaugh said this would mean no immediate jobs lost in Puget Sound and that ultimately it would produce more jobs in the Northwest.

    “Senator Cantwell expressed concern and disappointment about the loss of a second line in Puget Sound. And she expressed concern about Boeing’s continued business loss and the potential risk of starting up a second line in South Carolina, a state with limited aerospace engineering experience.”

    State Sen. Majority Leader Lisa Brown, D-Spokane:

    “Of course we’re very disappointed in the decision…I think companies like Boeing make these decisions in the context of a global enviroment…We’ve given some very favorable tax treatment to the aerospace industry, and that includes Boeing…I think that taxes and tax breaks are not the only issue here.”



    From the Aerospace Futures Alliance:
    Boeing Moves Second 787 Line To South Carolina


    This is a very sad day for Washington State and a huge wake up call to all of us in the aerospace industry. It is time for us to come together and work to maintain a strong, competitive aerospace industry in Washington. Our efforts must be tireless and united if we are to ensure a better future for aerospace companies and workers in Washington

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    Good for Boeing. IFTPE sucks. They have never done anything for the FERS Federal employees. They did nothing (not a single letter) to try stop the IFT limits. The chickens are coming home to roost for the IFTPE fat-cats.

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    Those are going to be good paying jobs for those S.C. girls and guys.

    Yet James is in favor of the UAW thugs who get their new hires $15/hr while the non-union auto new hires get $28/hr. Plus the non-union people don't have to pay off the UAW thugs, their paycheck is all theirs.

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    Well good. Finally a company has stood up to the Union thugs and made a decision, based on something besides being shaken down by the admin or Union. Just because folks aren't union, doesn't mean they aren't Americans also. Folks in the south are also American and I'm really getting tired of hearing that ya gotta be union to count in this country or get a bailout.

    Talking about good wages, what the heck is the bHo admin doing but driving down wages so everyone is making the same, that's socialism, you can't have it both ways, no matter how hard you click your heels.

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    How about that NAFTA? We got to lower wages to compete with Mexico.
    Socrates: "Democracy, which is a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder, and dispensing a sort of equality to equals and unequaled alike."


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    Good for Boeing, good for South Carolina.

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