Thread: SATURN is D-E-A-D...DEAD

As I said before- Penske is not a manufacturer. They wouldn't know how to manufacture- they counted on finding someone who still owns an operating car company to make it for him, and it wasn't going to be GM.

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread...ghlight=saturn

Neither Ford nor Chrysler have a business model that takes into account the idea of building and selling cars to a competing middleman.

Sorry, but unless Penske, or someone else wants to invest the billions necessary to build the product- it's toast.

Competition in the segment=

Japan car makers- with a universal health care system that costs less than half of ours.

German car makers- with a universal health care system that costs less than half of ours.

Korean car makers- with universal health care that costs less than half of ours.


Are you getting the picture yet?

To be competitive internationally for manufacturing-of ANY kind- , we NEED universal health care, and a cost much lower than today.

James, Would you please source the information that you post here?
Thanks

Originally Posted by James48843

Competition in the segment=

Japan car makers- with a universal health care system that costs less than half of ours.

German car makers- with a universal health care system that costs less than half of ours.

Korean car makers- with universal health care that costs less than half of ours.


Are you getting the picture yet?

To be competitive internationally for manufacturing-of ANY kind- , we NEED universal health care, and a cost much lower than today.

Originally Posted by McDuck

James, Would you please source the information that you post here?
Thanks

University of California, at Santa Cruz:

First- this is the main page:
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/

Here is a powerpoint on the inequalties of health care worldwide,:
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/health/index.htm


And then here is a link to the specific topic of cost vs. results, including that graph:

http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/health/spend/spending3.htm

It's Dr. Paula Braverman, MD, Professor of Family Medicine at UC Santa Cruz.

That data is from 2002- it has done nothing but increase the spread between the U.S.'s runaway costs, and the more moderate increases in some other nations, especially Japan.

Originally Posted by James48843

University of California, at Santa Cruz

I visited there once. There were more hippies and drugs(dope) than you could shake a stick at.

James,

What are the tax rates in Japan, UK, France, and Germany?

I would rather not compare first world free countries to Cuba - Cuba can enforce things the UK cannot. Cuba, like China, can also hide expenses through a lack of transparency or government fiat. Those first world countries have tons of folks looking for things that they can pick about – Cuba, not so much.

Now, if - by chance - you would pay more than $2,000 in taxes, fees, and other forms of government revenue in those other first world nations compared to that of the United States than you lose. I, for one, would rather invest the $2,000 in my TSP account or my Health IRA while my health is good to go. That $2K would be worth $2M about the time I needed it – and the annual contribution would reduce my tax mordida right now! Also, from what I understand, my net income is is a much higher than workers in Japan, UK, France, and Germany. If I elect to spend it on gold plated healthcare that is my choice – not a gubmint mandate.

Anyway, how many American autoworkers are uninsured?

My guess is zero (0).

So, the U.S. based autoworkers must be living into their 80’s eh…

That would be comparing apples to apples. Japanese autoworkers, German autoworkers, French autoworkers, and US autoworkers

Let me see stats on that.

Should be easy enough for a campus of the vaunted University of California!!!

Let us leave the glowing reviewers of Cuba to study the nationalized Toilet Paper import and distribution process!!! Or, the inexpensive food costs in North Korea!!!!!!

P.S. James, did you review the slides you referenced? Doesn't address your point...

Originally Posted by Boghie

That $2K would be worth $2M about the time I needed it – and the annual contribution would reduce my tax mordida right now!

Make that $1,200,000 at the age of 65.

I do think that will buy a lot of health care.

Especially, if Medi[whatever] is still around, eh.

Efficiency is efficiency. All of these countries spend less (in Cuba's case, much much less) and have higher life expectancies than we do.

So, I guess that we're saying is that we want to continue the same inefficiencies that we've always had. Sounds feudal.

I guess we all have to live in shacks and drive 56 Chevys if we want good, cheap Health Care? Who came up with these numbers anyway? I think I'll stay here, Cuba may be nice, but they can have Castro and the rest of the Communist/Socialists CREEPS.

Originally Posted by nnuut

I guess we all have to live in shacks and drive 56 Chevys if we want good, cheap Health Care? Who came up with these numbers anyway? I think I'll stay here, Cuba may be nice, but they can have Castro and the rest of the Communist/Socialists CREEPS.

But that's what the current administration and his Obamaton's want, a workers paradise.

Originally Posted by Boghie

James,

What are the tax rates in Japan, UK, France, and Germany?

I would rather not compare first world free countries to Cuba - Cuba can enforce things the UK cannot. Cuba, like China, can also hide expenses through a lack of transparency or government fiat. Those first world countries have tons of folks looking for things that they can pick about – Cuba, not so much.

Now, if - by chance - you would pay more than $2,000 in taxes, fees, and other forms of government revenue in those other first world nations compared to that of the United States than you lose. I, for one, would rather invest the $2,000 in my TSP account or my Health IRA while my health is good to go. That $2K would be worth $2M about the time I needed it – and the annual contribution would reduce my tax mordida right now! Also, from what I understand, my net income is is a much higher than workers in Japan, UK, France, and Germany. If I elect to spend it on gold plated healthcare that is my choice – not a gubmint mandate.

Anyway, how many American autoworkers are uninsured?

My guess is zero (0).

So, the U.S. based autoworkers must be living into their 80’s eh…

That would be comparing apples to apples. Japanese autoworkers, German autoworkers, French autoworkers, and US autoworkers

Let me see stats on that.

Should be easy enough for a campus of the vaunted University of California!!!

Let us leave the glowing reviewers of Cuba to study the nationalized Toilet Paper import and distribution process!!! Or, the inexpensive food costs in North Korea!!!!!!

P.S. James, did you review the slides you referenced? Doesn't address your point...

This chart is a bit dated, but it gives you an idea on taxes in Europe.