Thread: Census Worker Found Hanged

Originally Posted by alevin

OB, as a field biologist who works and has worked in areas similar to this with high maryj grower criminal activity as well as general-populace anti-fed sentiment and who has dealt first-hand with decaying animal bodies (the body in this case was apparently 3 weeks dead), the evidence never pointed me to the "accidental-stupid" proposition, but rather to intentional kill (regular criminal attempting misdirection, or actual anti-fed).

The "accidental-stupid" possibility was the one you first put forward, which indicated to me that you have complete cynicism about victims and how they got that way and that disgusted me and made me really sad that you would automatically go to "blame the victime" first and discount other evidence. If thats not what you meant to convey, then my apologies.

As professional with life experience described above, the "accidental-stupid" scenario would have never played out for me logicwise. The "accidental-stupid" scenario means to me that it would totally been a private thing with full expectation of survival and never being found in that condition, so I can't fathom such a person setting things up with assumption of not surviving and trying to cast blame elsewhere in that event. Again my apologies for seeing you discount competing evidence and hearing utter cynicism and "blame the victim" mentality in your first post if that was not where your head was at with those remarks.

Turns out the "misdirection" played out, and also turns out the "intentional kill" played out (suicide)-just not in a way either of us actually imagined.

ALEVIN,

I suggest you more carefully parse my earlier comments in this thread. How you, or anyone else for that matter, could possibly construe the words in my posts as indicative of "complete cynicism about victims" or that I "would automatically go to blame the victim" escapes me. Perhaps you wanted to read more into my comments than they warranted. I simply offerred a reasonable and plausible explanation of what may have happened, based on the information known in the public domain at the time. While others on this board and elsewhere on the Internet implied, or outright stated that the deceased fell victim to foul play, possibly because of his association with the federal government, I put forth a competing theory. One, I might add, based on training and experience.

Additionally, contrary to your assertion in the last sentence of your post quoted above, I did not fail to "imagine" other possibilities regarding how Mr. Sparkman died. I'll remind you of my post from Sept 26, 2009, in this thread, wherein I stated "There are four possibilities of death in this case: homicide, suicide, accidental or natural. It will be interesting to see what the investigation reveals. "

My apologies for the rant - just a bit sensitive at being characterized or thought of as someone who would "blame the victim" first.

Originally Posted by alevin

OB, the evidence never pointed me to the "accidental-stupid" proposition,

[OB, I repeat], the "accidental-stupid" possibility was the one you first put forward, which indicated to me If thats not what you meant to convey, then my apologies, [as I said already].

As professional with life experience described above, the "accidental-stupid" scenario would have never played out for me logicwise. Again my apologies for seeing you discount competing evidence and hearing utter cynicism and "blame the victim" mentality in your first post if that was not where your head was at with those remarks.

OB, I did see where you acknowledged multiple possibilities, they just came later, after you posited "accidental-stupid" as very possible. The variety of evidence available at the time or since, never pointed me that direction, ever. Since you say I am in error about your original mindset, I will accept that and again my apologies for ever thinking otherwise. Moving on. May the poor man rest in peace, and may his grieving family find eventual peace as well. His act was born in pain, misery and love for his family, he was very very wrong to attempt to resolve all that pain the way he did.

This thread could be used for academic submission with all the senseless finger pointing over nothing.

They pick the most dangerous enemy they can find, and it's themselves. All we need do is sit back and watch. The world is full of Maple Street's.

Rod Serling had some Very Interesting films -
the ones that had a twist concerning who the enemy was were disturbing.
The one I still recall is of Astronauts landing in this farmer's attic, trying to find out how dangerous these people would end up being, I guess. I just recall really getting involved emotionally- finally the wife was able to get after them with a broom, (the invading astronauts were Lilliputh sized). One was severely injured & the other trying to call for assistance from the space ship. The last clip finally showed a clear shot of the emblem on their sleeves - it was the USA.....
He had a way of making his point regarding his feelings about the United States, and God.