Thread: General bans pregnancy

Thanks for your response Alevie I see where you're comming from.

Unfortunately as hard as women strive for equality it doesn't look like the men in charge will ever let that happen. Somehow the system will let a few be flagged as 'The potiential we offer' to openly project some BS for the rest.

You're right 'women' will be unfairly targeted and priorities will largely remain screwed up. The women won't lose there beneifits as Veterans, however, because I see a huge amount of veterans that were booted for everything imaginable -- stripped down to E1 and everything else.

The 'Dishonorable Discharge' is a whole other matter and one that basically doesn't exist and has not existed for many years. You have General under 'less than honorable' and they get the exact same benefits as 'Honorable'. It's crazy Alevie so in the since I think you're voicing an objection ~~ I agree.

Originally Posted by Steadygain

You're right 'women' will be unfairly targeted and priorities will largely remain screwed up. The women won't lose there beneifits as Veterans, however, because I see a huge amount of veterans that were booted for everything imaginable -- stripped down to E1 and everything else.

The 'Dishonorable Discharge' is a whole other matter and one that basically doesn't exist and has not existed for many years. You have General under 'less than honorable' and they get the exact same benefits as 'Honorable'. It's crazy Alevie so in the since I think you're voicing an objection ~~ I agree.

Well, ok. I didn't know Dishonorable had gone the way of the dodo bird. that makes it a little bit better.

This my my weapon, this is my gun.....This is for fighting...and this is for...um...what was that General??....oh....nevermind......

Originally Posted by Steadygain

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The 'Dishonorable Discharge' is a whole other matter and one that basically doesn't exist and has not existed for many years. You have General under 'less than honorable' and they get the exact same benefits as 'Honorable'. It's crazy Alevie so in the since I think you're voicing an objection ~~ I agree.

That simply is not correct, Steady. People are given dishonorable discharges today all the time.

Here are two very recent examples: http://www.stripes.com/m/article.asp...&article=63708 for a soldier found guilty of manslaughter in an accidental death, and

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news...y_plea_102109/
for a Marine found guilty of wearing medals he was not authorized to wear, and claiming PTSD when he was never deployed to a combat zone.

Both were given dishonorable discharges.


The point is that if the person is convicted by Courts-martial of the offense of disobeying a lawful order, there are only two choices that the court would give- either a dishonorable discharge, or a bad conduct discharge- as they would be convicted of disobeying the lawful order. That is significantly differnet than getting a general discharge under honorable conditions, as would likely be the case by someone getting pregnant and being evacuated out of theather and discharged.


There are five types of discharges available to the military when a soldier is no longer going to actively serve, and they appear below along with a brief explanation of each:

1. Honorable discharge – Generally, an honorable discharge is administered when a soldier has received ratings that range from good to excellent. All duty commitments have been met, and all time served. This type is also usually awarded when a soldier has become disabled because of an injury suffered in the line of duty or when the soldier has received awards for courage while in action.
2. General discharge under honorable conditions – A general discharge is administered when a soldier has generally lived up to the standards of his or her branch of the military, but has not competed his/her obligations. Usually, this type of discharge is ordered when a soldier has not completed his or her time commitment to active service.
3. Other than honorable discharge – An other than honorable discharge is usually the choice of military leadership when a soldier had engaged in some sort of relatively mild misconduct or encountered problems with security.
4. Bad conduct discharge – A bad conduct discharge is usually the result of serious misconduct and/or criminal activity that leads to a general or special court-martial proceeding. It’s common for a bad conduct discharge to follow a period of confinement upon a conviction of a crime or violation of the UMJC.
5. Dishonorable discharge – A dishonorable discharge is often the final result of the aftermath of a general court-martial proceeding. These types of discharges can have serious and long-lasting effects on the life of the soldier after his or her time in the military has passed.

Only the last two can be given as part of a sentence by a Courts-Martial. They are not typically administratively given, but rather are sentences of the court.

Sorry James, and thanks for the clarification.

YES -- I actually did know of the 5 types of Discharge.


To me personally there is either Honorable - which you get for fulfilling your committment with Honor and Integrity and you proved yourself from day one --- all the way to the end.

Or Dishonorable -- which in my opinion should go to all the ones guilty of going AWOL; fighting their Superiors; refusing to take orders; refusing to go to formation and refusing to do the wide variety of jobs they were expected to do; repeatedly getting drunk and using/selling drugs; spending a week or so in Boot Camp and quitting .... or quitting when they felt like it.

All I know is combat readiness and being a combat soldier and I have no clue what it's like to be anything else. If anyone is deemed appropriate for WAR -- then they should first and foremost be trained and ready to committ on the highest levels or they shouldn't go. I think all should be given an equal opportunity and anyone and everyone that has proved themselves worthy should be honed to the highest degree.

So I guess what I'm saying is the overwhelming bulk of people that in my opinion did not serve 'Honorably' -- and in fact were stipped of rank and 'booted out' all have the equivalent of an Honorable.

There are numerous ways the Military could be changed to make it more fit for those who honestly are willing to serve. I have a problem with the ones who joined but fought against serving and not only refused to serve but deliberately did things to avoid serving.

That took me to the initial idea here. If 'women' are trying to get pregnant to break their committment because they are engaged in a war - then I believe that is wrong.

I would prefer WORLD PEACE -- and no war. But if there are wars and if a person has 'joined' and committed themselves then I believe they need to live up to that committment.

So my statement may have sounded like 'an exaggeration' but I know what I've seen over many years....

There is no reason in the world today for there to be an unwanted pregnancy - birth control is available to everyone and often free. It's a voluntary military and if the female soldier wants out - get out no problem. Captain 'Buzz' was stop loss for an extra year and rarely complained. Her Battalion commander offered to try and get her a teaching assignment at West Point if she would re-up for another three years. She sacrificed a $30K bonus and a captains course at Fort Sam - she was determined to get out and get on with her life. She is now walking the financial district in Chicago dropping off her resume. But she is free and so far no regretts. She has signed up with an Army Reserve unit in the Chicago area - her leadership skills are a value. I know all about pregnant PFCs that miss home.

lets see if i understand, first one gets discharged in, then one gets discharged out, that hole concienstious objector thing sound like fun.

maybe they could be housed in chicago? i hear there's a couple of them projects not fully occupied now that the olympic earmark real estate play didn't float.