Thread: Christianity vs Islam

Good reading, however, let me play Devils' Advocate here....

Short n Sweet.

This quote>

The Holy Bible is the only book that I accept as the Word of God, nothing else that was written, before or after, is "holy" to me. What I believe is based on the Holy Bible, on that written Word of God, and what I believe about the descendants of Isaac and Ishmael is based on that written Word of God.

Now, Imagine that one is looking at the Holy Bible, and the other, the Koran, BOTH with the same arguments.

Now, my question would be...."WHY would one be more correct than the other>???"

Don't get mad coz I question the validity of the Bible, but, I have to look at it BOTH ways....trying to be fair.
There are some who'd rather be one-sided.........

I wonder WHY Islam is being brought up in the first place.......

How about this...

Where in the Bible does it say what books should be included in the Bible?

Originally Posted by fabijo

How about this...

Where in the Bible does it say what books should be included in the Bible?

Umm.... on the index page?








(sorry, I had to.)

I too struggle with which books of the Bible should or should not be there. The Catholic Church being the first Church had much to do with which books are in the Bible. This is based, in simple terms, on the fact that if they did belong or not belong in the Bible God would intervene and correct His word.

It is all about belief and faith. The story about Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar is the one I like the most because I can relate it to the current events. Jews, Muslims, and Christians all have the same Father but they can not see past their noses or their own need to dominate the world with their beliefs.

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/worl...1/abraham.html

Originally Posted by James48843

Umm.... on the index page?

You are the second person to give that exact answer! I thought it would more be in the Table of Contents, but I guess the index works fine!

First let me start with Christianity vs Islam gives the appearance that a person has to choose one against the other; that one is right and one is wrong; that it is a struggle or war between the two.

As with the RAPE SITUATION - I think you meant well but this could very much turn into a huge battle and cause a lot of deep friction and even create some wounds. So let's get that out of the way to begin with.

I do not pretend to be the authority on this subject but I can honestly say that the Spirit of Christ has flooded throughout my being and remained with me over the many years since I gave everything over to Him. The Bible is first and foremost the Living Word of God and can only be appreciated in terms of His Spirit working in your life and revealing the deeper truths. Dwelling on, and re-reading many passages brings out the substance of what God intended to be incorporated in your life and shape your beliefs.

The Bible can only be understood by reading and knowing the whole book. Again, I don't pretend to be any more equiped to know it better than anyone else but I have been through many Bible Studies over the years and have a very solid understanding of the entire book.

I have left many churchs because of what they have added to the Bible and expected me to proclaim teachings that diminish the Cross and supercede it with a doctrine of their making to give their chruch a special identity. I will not spit in God's Face.

The main drawback to this discussion is the fact that numerous Scriptures are used as weapons to attack various people or groups of people and I have heard many ministers over the years declare their hatred and total intollerance towards this group (gay) or that (women) by taking a few passages and distorting them to convince everyone that God hates them and we should all the more hate them and treat them indifferently.

HERE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT IS KNOWING THE MESSAGE OF THE BIBLE - and not taking a few passages to foster our own prejudical views.

THE MESSAGE IS GOD IS A GOD OVER AND ABOVE THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE and everything within the universe is wholly by His doing. We exist only because of Him. GOD CONSIDERS RELATIONSHIPS TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF OUR EXISTENCE AND MAKES HIS GRACE AVAILABLE TO ALL PEOPLE AND ALL THINGS. Jesus is the beginning and the end - He everything and He embodies God's Message of Love and Service to everyone and His sacrifice was for every injustice ever committed by anyone. SO THE MESSAGE IS TO LOVE ALL PEOPLE AND EXTEND THE GLORY AND GRACE OF GOD (IN YOUR LIFE) TO EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF GENDER, RACE, SEXUAL PREFERENCE, NATIONALITY, OR RELIGION. Any person led by God's Spirit would work towards this endeavor.

As for the Bible being the only "HOLY BOOK" - I respectfully disagree. The Cost of Discipleship by Bonhoffer (and many other books) have convinced me that thousands of other books have the potiential to exemptify God's Holy Spirit and bring it to life just as strongly.

For those interested in discovering the difference the best thing to do is research the everything about the Founders (Jesus Christ and Mohammad). One had many prophetices written about him hundreds of years before his birth - look at his life and how he lived it - and the way His Spirt changed people. Then look at the other - how he incorporated various religions to form his own; look at the motives behind his actions and see how he lived his life. SO TO A LARGE DEGREE IT IS NOT THE KORAN VS THE BIBLE; It is much more Jesus or Mohammad - and here I would encourage anyone to be as open as possible to allowing God Himself to guide you into knowing which one most represents His Spirit and how that Spirit should be lived out in us and be the basis of our RELATIONSHIPS. Which one represents God's Love - God's Glory - and God's Grace wholly and completely. iF YOU FIND THE ANSWER AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD LIVES IN YOU AND YOU LEARN HOW TO MAKE HIS GLORY KNOWN AND DEMONSTRATE HIS LOVE - THEN REACH OUT TO OTHERS IN THAT SPIRIT AND LET THEM WITNESS GOD'S LOVE

Originally Posted by Show-me

It is all about belief and faith. The story about Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar is the one I like the most because I can relate it to the current events. Jews, Muslims, and Christians all have the same Father but they can not see past their noses or their own need to dominate the world with their beliefs.

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/worl...1/abraham.html

Excellent SM..I was raised Catholic and often pondered the truth if this story of Abraham and his sons and mistress and learned from being open minded that the Christians, Jews and Muslims have so much in common, it must make God very weary at all the conflict...but that's why we are mortal and lack the wisdom of the Divine..


But I thought this was a topic that needs to be discussed civilly because there is so much we misunderstand about these one almighty GOD based religions

Errr...someone who knows more about Islam can contradict me here. However, I heard one of the fundamental differences have to do with the crucifixion and the resurrection. From what I understand, under Islamic belief, God would not have let that happen and there was a substitution.

This is similar to the beliefs under the mystic Gnostic branch of Christianity. The Gnostic branch went out of favor under Constantine (it probably didn't help that they believed Mary Magdaline was the first Disciple). Christianity on the whole moved away from the Gnostic branch, and I believe it's going to be wellnigh impossible for Islam and Christianity to meet on the subject of Jesus with this difference in belief about the Crucifxion and the Resurrection, since that is now the basis of Christian belief. Since under Islamic belief Jesus is a Prophet, such substitution would be within the privledge of God to do, and there are many instances in the Bible of such subsitutions. However, a substitution or a rescue is not a sacrifice of the Son for our sins. Although understandable that God would not stand for such a humiliting sacrifice it looks like a bit of retributive trickery in comparison done by the Son of God if put against the mirror of Crucifixion and Resurrection.

Some of the Gnostic texts were discovered recently, not in good shape. Causing much concernation in Christian circles.

It has been noted and claimed in many texts as well, that the Jew Altered and corrupted some of the books of the Bible, to suit them as in the case of Abraham and his sons, as to which one was offered to God for sacrifice..

http://www.answering-christianity.co...nd_ishmael.htm


And you guys thought politics was a touchy subject...please keep in mind folks when discussing this topic, that beliefs run fundamentally deep..so be respectful.

Let's go one branch farther. I knew a Viet. Vet that spent some studying Buddhism and made the claim that is was very possible that Jesus visited the East and influenced Buddhism or is Buddha.

Google "Jesus lost years visit Buddhist" and see the hits you get.

http://www.thezensite.com/non_Zen/Wa..._Buddhist.html

I hope no one gets offended by this discussion. I am against discussion politics and religion and I have been sucked in by the debate.

Here is one thing that comes to mind back in the day. Remember this game, Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon?

Now imagine it called Six Degrees of Jesus Christ.