Birchtree........I like your example here, short and to the point.
Budnipper1........I like your point also with all this.
Ewww, interesting discussion.
Bud,
Nice point. IMO it IS about subsidies and freebies. Mexico’s government puts out a brochure telling/showing its citizens how to come to the U.S. and get some. I wonder why. The tax payer has to foot the bill for the educating and health care of those that need or want it.
Everyone,
Here is what happened here a few weeks ago.
We had a murder in a small community near here and the accused is an “undocumented worker”. The small town government is at a loss because they do not know how to handle the problems that are accruing because so many “undocumented workers” are inundating the system there. The “undocumented workers” are working at a local meat packing plant that has been raided more than once.
Who pays for the accused meals, health care, clothing, and defense attorney? Is the accused home country going to reimburse the local government? To me that’s a lot of bird feed going to a bird that I can not even get a positive ID on.
I don’t have a huge problem letting folks into the U.S. to make a better life for them. I just want to make sure they are not criminals or are just trying to “work the system” at our expense.
We have seen what letting a flood of people unchecked into other countries has done to their systems and culture. France, Germany, U.K., Netherlands, etc.
JMO
Socrates: "Democracy, which is a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder, and dispensing a sort of equality to equals and unequaled alike."
Birchtree........I like your example here, short and to the point.
Budnipper1........I like your point also with all this.
Absolutely - that's all we need are enough cats - well trained cats that can sniff out the trouble makers.
You hear the "we didn't cross the border, the border crossed us bs" - I say CATS, with uparmored HMMWV's and Ma Deuce.
When a few up and coming General Officer fat CATS of the likes of both north and south (i.e. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, Robert E. Lee, Ulysses S. Grant and co) were sitting in Mexico City and using Santa Ana's leg as a stool, the birds weren't chirpin so loud.
Them birdies have a home by the graces of limited troop supplies and yellow fever - they have a home, but if they want to be a guest in mine, then they better live by the rules, and they need to leave that "the drugs didn't cross the border - the border crossed the drug dealers" garbage where it belongs - in Mexico, because the CATS are out there. If you set up bird feeders (or barrels of water ) in the desert - don't cry when the CATs snag the birds.
All we need now is someone who knows how to herd CATS - maybe someone who has fought organized crime and kows how to handle a crisis without losing his cool......hmmmmmm...who fits that bill....dare I say Rudy?
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'Houston, we've had a problem. We've had a main B bus undervolt.', James Lovell
I dont even think this point is debatable.
Not necessarily. There are many people who make quite a good living off of defending capitalism--just ask Blackwater, Lockheed Martin, SAIC, and numerous other contractors. I can assure you their motivations are extremely capitalistic.
Again, not necessarily. Remember that many countries with socialist economic systems also have an 'open' market as well. (Think of China here.) Im sure there is some version of a Chinese TSP somewhere in their system.
I think you are getting hung up on the idea that we are either purely capitalist society or we are completely socialist. That model is completely wrong. In fact there have been lots of smart people that talk about how purely capitalistic societies are just as 'bad' as other theoretically pure economic systems.
(This, by the way, is another point of great discussion well beyond the scope of this message board. Ayn Rand is a good place to start exploring this topic a bit although she can be a bit---dry.)
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