Thread: He was NOT Pardoned

Originally Posted by uknowwho

Libby had his prison sentence commuted.

In all seriousness, is there a significant difference?

My bad. Michael Savage had said that he was "pardoned" but I didn't see that anywhere else. I didn't know exactly how to state the poll.

Originally Posted by tsptalk

My bad. Michael Savage had said that he was "pardoned" but I didn't see that anywhere else. I didn't know exactly how to state the poll.

There's a lot of speculation that Bush will pardon Libby before he leaves office.

Originally Posted by rokid

There's a lot of speculation that Bush will pardon Libby before he leaves office.

Yep, keep him out of prison with a commuted sentence until after the election and bam pardon him on the way out of the White House. Makes ya feel warm and fuzzy inside how fair the "system" is for "everyone".

Personally, I felt that the prosecuter was more guilty of entrapment than Libby was guilty of lying. How anybody expected this guy to remember obscure details of conversations he had a year ago is beyond me. As for the issue of pardoning, didn't Clinton pardon 140 felons, some of them sex offenders? Heck, Clinton himself perjured himself more apparently than Libby.

Originally Posted by VirginiaBob

Personally, I felt that the prosecuter was more guilty of entrapment than Libby was guilty of lying. How anybody expected this guy to remember obscure details of conversations he had a year ago is beyond me. As for the issue of pardoning, didn't Clinton pardon 140 felons, some of them sex offenders? Heck, Clinton himself perjured himself more apparently than Libby.

No one died when Clinton lied.

Originally Posted by VirginiaBob

Personally, I felt that the prosecuter was more guilty of entrapment than Libby was guilty of lying. How anybody expected this guy to remember obscure details of conversations he had a year ago is beyond me. As for the issue of pardoning, didn't Clinton pardon 140 felons, some of them sex offenders? Heck, Clinton himself perjured himself more apparently than Libby.

Yep, you are correct. My point is that we the people, lowly peon citizens that we are, would not get that privilege. They would not give us a look.

The thing I find interesting is that the name of an undercover CIA agent was revealed in violation of the law, the agent's career was destroyed, the agent's contacts were compromised, and, to date, no one has been held accountable. Not Richard Armitage, not Karl Rove, and not Dick Cheney.

"Scooter" Libby was convicted on four counts of lying to the Grand Jury and to federal agents and he'll probably get a pardon as the "Commuter" leaves office. Paris Hilton got more jail time for driving without a license.

Oh well, only 565 days, 12 hours, and 37 minutes until the "Decider" leaves office.
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Originally Posted by ayla

No one died when Clinton lied.

If you think releasing sex offenders and murderers out in the streets did not cause any harm or death, you are naive. If you think passing up the chance to get Osama handed to you on a silver platter did not cause any deaths, you are naive. If you think bombing a country to keep the attention off your infidelity caused no deaths, you are naive.

Originally Posted by VirginiaBob

If you think releasing sex offenders and murderers out in the streets did not cause any harm or death, you are naive. If you think passing up the chance to get Osama handed to you on a silver platter did not cause any deaths, you are naive. If you think bombing a country to keep the attention off your infidelity caused no deaths, you are naive.

1. I assume the sex offender you're referring to is Mel Reynolds. According to this Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Reynolds, Reynolds served all of his 5 year sentence for the sexual offenses and 42 months of a 78 month sentence for bank fraud and lying to SEC investigators. Clinton commuted 36 months of the 78 month bank fraud/lying sentence. It's ironic that Libby's sentence for lying to federal investigators, essentially the same crime that Reynolds committed, was only 30 months. However, Bush though that was too harsh.

2. Who were the murderers that Clinton released?

3. Regarding the bombing of Iraq, House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.), House Majority Leader Richard K. Armey (R-Tex.), and Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) all supported the bombing in the face of Republican accusations that it was politically motivated. 'Told of these criticisms, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.), ranking Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, branded them "preposterous," and noted that Osama bin Laden, suspected of bankrolling the installations that were bombed, "is one bad mother."' - Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...eact082198.htm
Finally, Clinton's Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, coordinated the attack. Cohen is a Republican.

4. Regarding Clinton's passing up a chance to get Bin Laden, Clinton addressed that issue in his 24 Sep 2006 interview with Fox's Chris Wallace: 'The people on my political right who say I didn’t do enough, spent the whole time I was president saying ‘Why is he so obsessed with Bin Laden?’ And that was ‘Wag the Dog’ when he tried to kill him. My Republican Secretary of Defense, - and I think I’m the only person since WWII to have a Secretary of Defense from the opposition party - Richard Clarke, and all the intelligence people said that I ordered a vigorous attempt to get Osama Bin Laden and came closer apparently than anybody has since.' Richard Clarke confirms Clinton's statement in his book.

Originally Posted by rokid

1. I assume the sex offender you're referring to is Mel Reynolds. According to this Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Reynolds, Reynolds served all of his 5 year sentence for the sexual offenses and 42 months of a 78 month sentence for bank fraud and lying to SEC investigators. Clinton commuted 36 months of the 78 month bank fraud/lying sentence. It's ironic that Libby's sentence for lying to federal investigators, essentially the same crime that Reynolds committed, was only 30 months. However, Bush though that was too harsh.

2. Who were the murderers that Clinton released?

3. Regarding the bombing of Iraq, House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.), House Majority Leader Richard K. Armey (R-Tex.), and Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) all supported the bombing in the face of Republican accusations that it was politically motivated. 'Told of these criticisms, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.), ranking Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, branded them "preposterous," and noted that Osama bin Laden, suspected of bankrolling the installations that were bombed, "is one bad mother."' - Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...eact082198.htm
Finally, Clinton's Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, coordinated the attack. Cohen is a Republican.

4. Regarding Clinton's passing up a chance to get Bin Laden, Clinton addressed that issue in his 24 Sep 2006 interview with Fox's Chris Wallace: 'The people on my political right who say I didn’t do enough, spent the whole time I was president saying ‘Why is he so obsessed with Bin Laden?’ And that was ‘Wag the Dog’ when he tried to kill him. My Republican Secretary of Defense, - and I think I’m the only person since WWII to have a Secretary of Defense from the opposition party - Richard Clarke, and all the intelligence people said that I ordered a vigorous attempt to get Osama Bin Laden and came closer apparently than anybody has since.' Richard Clarke confirms Clinton's statement in his book.

Just a tip: Don't forget to look through both sides of that one way mirror.

1 &2. Here are Clintons list of pardons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_Bill_Clinton

3. That is called showing class, unlike the current Democrats who have been criticizing Afghanistan and Iraq from the very beginning (even though they voted for it). When your country attacks another, it is good form to show solidarity.

4. None of which relieves him of the responsibilty. If one is more concerned with looking bad politically then doing the right thing, they shouldn't be president. 3000 American civilians died for God sakes as a result of this inaction.