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    Quote Originally Posted by RealMoneyIssues View Post
    Maybe because its gapping up nearly 10%... sigh

    ?


    Why would premarket gapping cause me to say, "Disregard that the system....

    Oh... nevermind, I see what you are suggesting.

    I hadn't looked at any quotes this morning. And I never look at premarket trading as I don't trade premarket. I do look at futures, but I haven't this morning; been busy trying to get the system ready to trade the open and I'm in cash.

    You may not be a programmer, so you may not realize that whenever you change one part of a program, sometimes, there are unintended consequences in another part of the code. Bad consequences. Hopefully, they are spotted and fixed.

    I spotted one this morning.

    For the record, I'm not one of those guys that looks at the futures or premarket action and concludes "Wow! today's going to be an up (or down) day!" Nor does my system look at futures or premarket action.

    Moreover, my record speaks for itself with regard to being forthright and honest with regard to what I post and the results...however ugly or pretty. For scores of days now, I've forecasted the OPEN several hours before the OPEN, with no chance for reliance upon premarket action. Now... today, I'm suddenly moved by premarket action?

    Now... today, I'm accused of child's play. Got it.

    At least I did get a good laugh this morning.
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    Default Re: userque & NUGT/DUST

    Quote Originally Posted by userque View Post
    FOR 10-22-15 AT CLOSE:
    CASH

    * Had to restart optimization again. No time to generate a forecast for the CLOSE.




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    Quote Originally Posted by k0nkuzh0n View Post
    When you update the plot of the results, which position will it reflect? Staying in NUGT or going to cash?

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    I wanted to get the optimization started prior to posting here and prior to investigating the bug.

    I found that the original optimization was not affected by the bug. The bug would have only been a factor after today's close, when I would have updated the sheet with today's data. I'll repost the original forecast.

    I was truly hoping the system would still have me going NUGT this morning.

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    FOR 10-23-15 AT OPEN:
    ENTER NUGT




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    Done posting, apparently everyone thinks all I do is personally attack them...

    Sorry you thought I was bashing your system or you, all I was saying was that if it changed maybe it was because NUGT was gapping up. I have no knowledge of the innards of your system, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealMoneyIssues View Post
    Done posting, apparently everyone thinks all I do is personally attack them...

    Sorry you thought I was bashing your system or you, all I was saying was that if it changed maybe it was because NUGT was gapping up. I have no knowledge of the innards of your system, obviously.

    Good Luck Mr. Q.
    Thank you. You too.
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    Still rerunning optimization ... just to be sure.
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    This may be helpful to those that pop up out of the woodwork; or that get super excited, about pre-market price action:

    Understanding Pre-Market and After-Hours Stock Trading
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    Quote Originally Posted by userque View Post
    Thanks Stoplight,

    I appreciate that. I think RMI is trying to help me in some type of way; maybe we're just not understanding what the other is saying right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FAAM View Post
    I like that reference from the Good Book. I "third" that agreement with Stoplight's comments, and thank you Q again for your efforts, sharing and openness.


    Thanks FAAM
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    Quote Originally Posted by userque View Post
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    Thank you. I took the move to a cash as a safe move you personally doing because the system didn't have a chance to give an official signal on time. Which is certainly a smart decision if that was the case.

    Then you seemed to finish the run and determined that had the system had enough time to finish, it would have stayed NUGT. In which case I assume you would have calculated performance based on that, and not the move to cash, since the cash move was personal choice (Again, based on my initial assumption). But then that result was invalidated, so it wasn't entirely clear to me, which would be the right way to go.

    What language did you end up going with anyway? Python?

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0nkuzh0n View Post
    Thank you. I took the move to a cash as a safe move you personally doing because the system didn't have a chance to give an official signal on time. Which is certainly a smart decision if that was the case.

    Then you seemed to finish the run and determined that had the system had enough time to finish, it would have stayed NUGT. In which case I assume you would have calculated performance based on that, and not the move to cash, since the cash move was personal choice (Again, based on my initial assumption). But then that result was invalidated, so it wasn't entirely clear to me, which would be the right way to go.

    What language did you end up going with anyway? Python?

    I understand. I try keep it about the system (regarding this thread), and not about me personally. Just so happens, I do follow my system's signals.

    Correct. I moved to cash because the system was unable to forecast.

    When I finished the run, I indicated what the system would have done in case someone wanted to know. Some may trade intraday in demo accounts based upon the system. Some may just be curious. Some may be keeping their own types of stats and may want to know the actual call, etc.

    I don't think it would be right to make the call retro-active for the purposes of this thread. I want to show what the system can really do--in a real world situation; not what it theoretically could do. In real life, we had no signal to trade with. That should be reflected in this thread.

    Personally, I went to cash. But I could have resorted to old school T/A and traded without my system, and that would have had nothing to do with my system, or the thread.

    Which is right? I think making the call retroactively is fine for non-public analysis of a system, if it is done fairly. But publicly, I don't think such retro-active moves are fair. How is the public to confirm whether one is "cheating." That's why I don't do retro-active moves here.

    Computer Language?

    After transferring ALL calculations from the spreadsheet into VBA, I found that there wasn't much difference in the speed. (I put everything back the way it was. It's easier to update that way). So I decided that Python, not being a compiled language, may not offer much speed improvement to justify the effort. So I considered Java. I like that idea as I would also like to do Android coding.

    I did some tricks with the sheet to speed up the process. It's fast "enough" for now.

    So, I think I'll knock out javascript first to help quickly automate some unrelated things I do online; then java.
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