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    Quote Originally Posted by evilanne View Post
    Actually the enemy is Congress who never properly funded CSRS and who want to mess with FERS now.
    This^^^
    CSRS, nor FERS employees are the enemy. Just those who take the hit because our so-called leaders have mis-managed our country’s money for decades.
    Time to cut up the government credit cards. We need a balanced budget amendment.

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    there has been an agenda/plan since '99/00 to reduce # of govt employees and replace with contractors. it has been happening that long. reducing govt employee benefits helps usher in more to leave or retire. ones that leave become contractors or work for larger contractor companies who have officials in each other pockets. some work contracts are actually sub contracted out 2-4 times with each company owners skimming off their profits before work even starts and workers get paid. this is how much tax payers are over paying. contractors and the officials that allow all this are the problem. it will never be fixed until the system crashes. talk about corruption my command I retired from is extremely corrupt, since they are not directly funded by congress but have customers that are funded and go to them who are the main engineering support for the navy and pay them. very very little oversite on my last command.
    "Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other." John Adams 10/11/1798

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    99-00 sounds about right. Federal employee pay and benefits were a favorite target of politicians most of my career for one of two reasons.
    To appear tough on wasteful government spending in order to get re-elected.
    To appear tough in favor of federal employees when someone else got tough on wasteful government spending in order
    to get re-elected.


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    Privatization or contracting out has been around a lot longer, but its popularity has been cyclical, expanding and contracting at different times. Interesting article that gives a brief history of OMB Circular A-76 Federal Privatization and the Expensive Philosophy of the Circular A-76 Process

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilanne View Post
    Privatization or contracting out has been around a lot longer, but its popularity has been cyclical, expanding and contracting at different times. Interesting article that gives a brief history of OMB Circular A-76 Federal Privatization and the Expensive Philosophy of the Circular A-76 Process
    A-76 is what I couldn't remember. won't forget it now.
    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by evilanne View Post
    Privatization or contracting out has been around a lot longer, but its popularity has been cyclical, expanding and contracting at different times. Interesting article that gives a brief history of OMB Circular A-76 Federal Privatization and the Expensive Philosophy of the Circular A-76 Process
    From the article, but I think most of us could vouch for this. Same amount of money goes out, and as you noted, the business skims off the top, then pays the worker about half what they rip-off, er, bill the government for.

    I've seen where we eventually hire someone from the contracting firm, put the person in a position to make decisions on purchasing software and IT services, and, you guessed it, they contract out from where they came from.

    "Studies have shown that privatization actually can increase costs. Bad Business: Billions of Taxpayer Dollars Wasted on Hiring Contractors, a 2011 study by the Project on Government Oversight (POGO), compared the cost of work performed by public employees versus private contractors. Among other things, POGO found that private contractors in 33 of 35 classifications cost more than public employees doing the same work, in some cases nearly five times more."

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    It make sense for many supply or commercial services, typically performed by low skill or blue collar employees (e.g. Janitorial, grounds keeping, maintenance) but not for professional services. It actually made more sense under the old CSRS rules than under FERS--thinking about it now, I'm not sure they ever really factored in the difference as there was a given overhead cost applied to Government employees (I think 35%?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilanne View Post
    It make sense for many supply or commercial services, typically performed by low skill or blue collar employees (e.g. Janitorial, grounds keeping, maintenance) but not for professional services. It actually made more sense under the old CSRS rules than under FERS--thinking about it now, I'm not sure they ever really factored in the difference as there was a given overhead cost applied to Government employees (I think 35%?).
    You're correct. Overhead costs (pension benefits, matching TSP contributons, healthcare subsidy, etc.) are in the range of 33-37%. I estimated mine to be 34% on top of my annual salary.

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    I agree except for facilities maintenance. Not knowing if you will have a job next year does not promote ownership of the facility infrastructure. Nor does it promote caring about what to do if a system breaks.

    PO

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    Quote Originally Posted by PessOptimist View Post
    I agree except for facilities maintenance. Not knowing if you will have a job next year does not promote ownership of the facility infrastructure. Nor does it promote caring about what to do if a system breaks.

    PO
    I wholeheartedly agree with that. I started in facilities maintenance and construction. It takes years to develop staff who fully understand the physical plant they’re maintaining in order to be effective and efficient at doing so. Low staff turnover is key.

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