Thread: federal unions

There are some craft who need to be represented by the Union or their rights will be abused.
Some management can be ignorant of the rights of the workers and some do respect these rights.
There are some bad union members and officials who abuse this right of representation.
I can't seem to find an appropriate ending for my discourse...so I'll just leave it hanging until I can think of a better ending...

I'm a manager who was at one time who was the Chief Steward for our local.

I'm no longer a member but, I respect the union's position, know the Master Agreement very well and abide by it. The problem that I see is people who see their position in both management as well as in the union as a platform to inflict pain onto the other party.

I personally feel that becoming a manager was a mistake on my part so late in my career. The human behavior, especially the vindictiveness that I have witnessed is appalling.

Frank

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Originally Posted by Lakebound

I'm a manager who was at one time who was the Chief Steward for our local.

I'm no longer a member but, I respect the union's position, know the Master Agreement very well and abide by it. The problem that I see is people who see their position in both management as well as in the union as a platform to inflict pain onto the other party.

I personally feel that becoming a manager was a mistake on my part so late in my career. The human behavior, especially the vindictiveness that I have witnessed is appalling.

Frank

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Sounds like my career, I took the early out in 2012 because I couldn't deal with the lies from either side.

Originally Posted by gegor

Sounds like my career, I took the early out in 2012 because I couldn't deal with the lies from either side.

I'm seriously thinking about writing a book about leadership and management based solely on what I have witnessed as a manager.

Frank

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I was a second level supervisor for 13 years a BRAC closed the facility. I was transferred to another base but not as a supervisor, I was a much happier employee for the rest of my career. The union helped sometimes and hindered the others.

Taxpayers foot bill for union work, lawmakers seek changes | Fox News

I believe that the union representatives concerning myself represent us on their own time. I may be mistaken. The unions finally mentioned in the last paragraph of the article are not mine and Maricar19 is correct that some Craft employees are regularly abused by management because management thinks everyone is a general schedule employee. Management has no clue about bargaining agreements for Craft employees and equivalent pay.

The unions mentioned in the last paragraph of the link seem more concerned with how many square feet of workspace and what kind of telephone the worker has.

Management seems more concerned with bonuses and promotion.

As stated before in other posts management has no clue about the lower level day to day things that their part of the fed machine does nor do they care about it or who keeps it going. Until part of it malfunctions.

PO

Originally Posted by PessOptimist

Taxpayers foot bill for union work, lawmakers seek changes | Fox News

I believe that the union representatives concerning myself represent us on their own time. I may be mistaken. The unions finally mentioned in the last paragraph of the article are not mine and Maricar19 is correct that some Craft employees are regularly abused by management because management thinks everyone is a general schedule employee. Management has no clue about bargaining agreements for Craft employees and equivalent pay.

The unions mentioned in the last paragraph of the link seem more concerned with how many square feet of workspace and what kind of telephone the worker has.

Management seems more concerned with bonuses and promotion.

As stated before in other posts management has no clue about the lower level day to day things that their part of the fed machine does nor do they care about it or who keeps it going. Until part of it malfunctions.

PO

Unless one has been living in a cave, its quite obvious what is going on here.

The agreement to let union officers (local stewards, regional chairs, etc) a day a week (or pay period) to work on labor issues has been a law for over 35 years. Never any problems with that for all that time

The unions at the regional/national level fight to negotiate many of our federal benefits and fair labor standards (Pension, Health Care, OT and Comp Time).

One political party (not to be named since this is not a political thread) have declared a holy war Fatwah on federal employees, wanting to drastically cut pension benefits, cut FEHB, prevent COLA's, maybe reduce leave in the future.

The unions at the national level are the only ones fighting for fed employee rights, lobbying congress and the WH on our behalf.

Those in Congress who want to burn federal employee benefits to the ground want to weaken federal unions, so they can more easily achieve their task.

That's all that's going on here.

Same Old, Same Old, Same Old, while the Liberals are kissing Butt the Repubs are doing the hard work, the stuff that is risky, not another Give Away!

Originally Posted by FireWeatherMet

Unless one has been living in a cave, its quite obvious what is going on here.

The agreement to let union officers (local stewards, regional chairs, etc) a day a week (or pay period) to work on labor issues has been a law for over 35 years. Never any problems with that for all that time

The unions at the regional/national level fight to negotiate many of our federal benefits and fair labor standards (Pension, Health Care, OT and Comp Time).

One political party (not to be named since this is not a political thread) have declared a holy war Fatwah on federal employees, wanting to drastically cut pension benefits, cut FEHB, prevent COLA's, maybe reduce leave in the future.

The unions at the national level are the only ones fighting for fed employee rights, lobbying congress and the WH on our behalf.

Those in Congress who want to burn federal employee benefits to the ground want to weaken federal unions, so they can more easily achieve their task.

That's all that's going on here.

I'm going to make your mind explode here. I agree with you on this one. It's politics, plain and simple. I was a national union officer for five years. It's necessary to have people on official time to negotiate on our behalf. If Congress wants to authorize a modified closed shop, where people are charged a small amount per pay period for the representation the unions provide, the unions could hire full time representatives and the volunteers could go back to their jobs. They won't do that, though.

Originally Posted by Viva_La_Migra

I'm going to make your mind explode here. I agree with you on this one. It's politics, plain and simple. I was a national union officer for five years. It's necessary to have people on official time to negotiate on our behalf. If Congress wants to authorize a modified closed shop, where people are charged a small amount per pay period for the representation the unions provide, the unions could hire full time representatives and the volunteers could go back to their jobs. They won't do that, though.

Right. Most don't know the history of the labor movement. Why it was needed in the first place. Now the plan is to pit employee against their union. Old school union busting.

With so many soon-to-become-management stewards/officers "representing" employees; combined with a general ignorance of the labor movement: I'm afraid the ongoing union busting will accelerate.

Originally Posted by nnuut

Same Old, Same Old, Same Old, while the Liberals are kissing Butt the Repubs are doing the hard work, the stuff that is risky, not another Give Away!

Nope. I agree with FWM on this one. Big difference between a 'Gives Away' and a negotiated fair work environment. I a dues paying member.

Look at any work environment and you will find employees that fall anywhere from lazy to hard workers. Look at any work environment and you will see management that are SOB's to fair. Look at unions and you will see greed to fair representation for better work environments. It's unfair to say Unions are the sole issue.

Keep on on taking from me. Keep on stripping my benefits. Keep limiting my Union representation. All while coddling those that refuse to get into the workforce... Now that's F'd up.