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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkFE View Post
    And just for general information after all the Furlough updates yesterday the R word came up for 2014.
    What's the R word? RIF?

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    MY FIRST furlough day is tomorrow>

    i plan to spend it picketing in front of my congressman"S office
    Sorry you have to go through that James. If POTUS hadn't gone to play golf with Tiger Woods, you wouldn't have to be furloughed. Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James48843 View Post
    MY FIRST furlough day is tomorrow>

    i plan to spend it picketing in front of my congressman"S office
    Man I'm sorry to hear that and it is absolutely ridiculous they are doing that to you guys.

    Why the FAA? Because it gets more press by changing how the public is able to travel. Political pawns...forced furloughs to make a point. The sequester doesn't reduce spending from last year's budget, it reduces the increase from last year's budget. If we didn't have to furlough people last year they ought to be able to find cuts that don't force people out of work this year. But the PTB have been told to be sure people are furloughed at the FAA so the politicians get to make a point on the nightly news.
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    IMPACT OF FAA FURLOUGHS FELT NATIONWIDE


    WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Professional Aviation Safety Specialists, AFL-CIO (PASS), which represents over 11,000 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) employees, including systems specialists, aviation safety inspectors, aeronautical specialists and administrative personnel, has been monitoring the situation related to the FAA furloughs and sequestration and is reporting on significant impacts to aviation maintenance, efficiency and performance. At airports and air traffic control facilities across the country, work is being deferred, equipment is not getting fixed, and flights are being delayed or diverted as a result of the sequestration budget cuts and the furloughing of the FAA workforce. Just last night:

    • At Cleveland Burke Lakefront Airport, radio and telephone communication capability was lost due to routine battery discharge tests. The systems specialist with the most experience was on furlough at the time of the incident. Systems specialists on site attempted to contact him but, even though he is geographically located near the facility, he was prevented from responding due to restrictions placed on furloughed employees. Had the systems specialist not been on furlough, the outage could have been minimized and delays reduced.

    • When the glide slope at the Long Island Mac Arthur Airport failed, a Southwest Airlines flight was diverted to Baltimore-Washington International Airport. When inclement weather developed last night and the glide slope was out of service, flights had to be diverted. While the policy for this equipment is immediate restoral, due to sequestration and furloughs, it was changed to next-day restoral.

    PASS is learning of additional impacts nationwide, including open watches, increased restoration times, delays resulting from insufficient funding for parts and equipment, modernization delays, missed or deferred preventative maintenance, and reduced redundancy. For example:

    • In Indiana, at the Columbus Municipal Airport, equipment used to indicate approach paths was out an additional five days due to lack of available resources.
    • In Maryland, at Andrews Air Force Base, a lack of resources resulting from sequestration is preventing the completion of a project related to the air conditioning unit responsible for cooling the radar. The lack of optimal conditions could result in the loss of primary radar.
    • Due to FAA employees on furlough days in Southern Michigan, there have been issues with equipment, remotely controlling systems and contractors performing work without adequate supervision.
    • As a result of the budget cuts, a broken gate cannot be fixed at the Battle Creek Flight Inspection Office in Michigan, causing security issues. The facility houses airplanes and other systems and equipment that should be appropriately monitored and secured.
    • In addition, there have been open watches on radars and weather equipment in the Philadelphia/New Jersey area; delays due to insufficient funding for parts or equipment in the New York/New Jersey area, Texas, Indiana, Michigan and Iowa; and missed or deferred preventative maintenance in Texas, Washington State, California, Wyoming and Alaska.

    “The furloughs at the FAA must end now,” said PASS National President Mike Perrone. “Lawmakers must stop the furloughs immediately and work to develop a plan that repeals sequestration. The furloughs are not yet a week old and we are learning of more problems every day. Without a solution that stops these needless furloughs, this will only be the beginning.”

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    CURRENT ALLOCATION = 100% G
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    Ray Lahood said he will make it painful enough to make DC come off of dead center on the FAA Furloughs..Von Turner secretary of Tech Ops was here last month and said as much and to make it as miserable on the flying public as possible.

    Now for a reality Check...Jim you go and protest tomorrow, I'm proud of ya..But you will ONLY benifit the ATC side of the FAA which is about 15,000 last count..there is 47,000 total FAA employees..Us on the Airways Facility (AF) [now called ATO] side and others will not see the break ATC will see because of the pissed off flying public..So those guys and gals should be thanking you for you taking a unpaid three day weekend on their behalf...

    The FAA Academy (Oklahoma City) is all but shut down for training right now, including AT..There is one AF class I know of going till June and the class was extended 4 days to cover everyone's furlough days, Instructors and students..The students however will remain here in OKC on Per diem and still take the 4 furlough days..(boy that makes a whole lot of sense)

    Anyway..As always, AT will get the breaks and higher pay..and AF will suck hind tit..Not blaming the AT folks at all, it has always been that way..they have better unions and PR people than PASS
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    How does it feel to be political pawns?



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    James, I’m sorry you are getting a furlough day and Buster you likely have a good point. I am not involved in the FAA ATC or AF/ATO world.

    Plano sums it up pretty well, in my opinion.

    This article you posted has no source listed or reference to where it was released as news. I think that is one of the rules here, where did the quoted article come from. I have to call BS on some of these incidents having anything to do with furloughs.

    Quote Originally Posted by James48843 View Post
    IMPACT OF FAA FURLOUGHS FELT NATIONWIDE


    WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Professional Aviation Safety Specialists, AFL-CIO (PASS), which represents over 11,000 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) employees, including systems specialists, aviation safety inspectors, aeronautical specialists and administrative personnel, has been monitoring the situation related to the FAA furloughs and sequestration and is reporting on significant impacts to aviation maintenance, efficiency and performance. At airports and air traffic control facilities across the country, work is being deferred, equipment is not getting fixed, and flights are being delayed or diverted as a result of the sequestration budget cuts and the furloughing of the FAA workforce. Just last night:

    • At Cleveland Burke Lakefront Airport, radio and telephone communication capability was lost due to routine battery discharge tests. The systems specialist with the most experience was on furlough at the time of the incident. Systems specialists on site attempted to contact him but, even though he is geographically located near the facility, he was prevented from responding due to restrictions placed on furloughed employees. Had the systems specialist not been on furlough, the outage could have been minimized and delays reduced.
    Routine battery discharge test? OK, isolate the battery bank and put the load bank on it. The rectifiers maintain power to the load. Doing the test by shutting down the rectifiers? Risky and maybe they found a really bad battery bank. Equipment starts going down, put the rectifiers back on line. No need to go further, If the only person who knew how to do it was furloughed, why not defer the periodic maintenance? So the only person who knew which breakers to turn on or off was “prevented from responding”? ”Systems specialists on site attempted to contact him but, even though he is geographically located near the facility, he was prevented from responding due to restrictions placed on furloughed employees”.? Someone held a gun to his head or he just wouldn’t answer the phone? Sound more to me like a training issue and perhaps the personnel performing the “routine test” should be furloughed for a while. Perhaps a furlough for the person who gave the authorization to work for this routine test while understaffed. This was just a big fugup and has little to do with one guy being on leave and not answering his phone.

    [QUOTE=James48843;404414]
    • When the glide slope at the Long Island Mac Arthur Airport failed, a Southwest Airlines flight was diverted to Baltimore-Washington International Airport. When inclement weather developed last night and the glide slope was out of service, flights had to be diverted. While the policy for this equipment is immediate restoral, due to sequestration and furloughs, it was changed to next-day restoral. [QUOTE]

    There is only one person to fix this and they were furloughed? What manager made the decision to change the restoral priority? I this person furloughed?


    Quote Originally Posted by James48843 View Post
    PASS is learning of additional impacts nationwide, including open watches, increased restoration times, delays resulting from insufficient funding for parts and equipment, modernization delays, missed or deferred preventative maintenance, and reduced redundancy.
    “Insufficient funding for parts and equipment” due to sequestration. Some GS-99 cut funding for spare parts and the techs can’t fix stuff? Due to sequestration? Get real, that budget was made a couple years ago. Stole money from the maintenance budget to create a crisis? Sure.
    Quote Originally Posted by James48843 View Post
    For example:

    • In Indiana, at the Columbus Municipal Airport, equipment used to indicate approach paths was out an additional five days due to lack of available resources.
    • In Maryland, at Andrews Air Force Base, a lack of resources resulting from sequestration is preventing the completion of a project related to the air conditioning unit responsible for cooling the radar. The lack of optimal conditions could result in the loss of primary radar.
    • Due to FAA employees on furlough days in Southern Michigan, there have been issues with equipment, remotely controlling systems and contractors performing work without adequate supervision.
    • As a result of the budget cuts, a broken gate cannot be fixed at the Battle Creek Flight Inspection Office in Michigan, causing security issues. The facility houses airplanes and other systems and equipment that should be appropriately monitored and secured.
    • In addition, there have been open watches on radars and weather equipment in the Philadelphia/New Jersey area; delays due to insufficient funding for parts or equipment in the New York/New Jersey area, Texas, Indiana, Michigan and Iowa; and missed or deferred preventative maintenance in Texas, Washington State, California, Wyoming and Alaska.

    “The furloughs at the FAA must end now,” said PASS National President Mike Perrone. “Lawmakers must stop the furloughs immediately and work to develop a plan that repeals sequestration. The furloughs are not yet a week old and we are learning of more problems every day. Without a solution that stops these needless furloughs, this will only be the beginning.”
    I can only wonder who wrote the script for all this. Insufficient funding for parts happened last year. Please provide the source for this apparent news release.

    Thanks Jim

    PO

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    As I predicted, the squeaky wheel got the oil..namely the Air Traffic Controllers...I seriously doubt if the rest of the FAA will be so lucky..In fact, I bet to offset the Controllers not being furloughed, the rest of the FAA will have to probably take 2 days furlough per pay period..Watch and see..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PessOptimist View Post
    ... Please provide the source for this apparent news release.

    Thanks Jim

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    here:
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    Re(1): 'Sequestration Forever!', The Strata-Sphere, AJ Strata
    Re(2): 'The Democrats have lost on Sequestration', The Washington Post, Ezra Klein

    The Spendulus Death Panel:

    Team Obama was dumb to pick a fight with everyone flying – and of course he lost. Just like the GOP lost when they shut down government.

    But what does this incident tells us about the future? It tells us we need to expand and grow sequestration, to force the government and the governed to prioritize. Let’s just call it the death panel for endless growth in federal spending.
    Yup, here is comes.

    The governed want us to prioritize. I really don't mean us. We are the worker bees, but...

    You simply cannot blow your cash flow like the gubmint has for the last five years and expect the cash flow to continue. It will get harder as interest rates go up. I would like to thank FED Chairman Bernanke for buying this Administration and this Congress time to get their spending in order and reduce debt. He has given this group years to do this. But, these goobers didn't.

    Adjusting to reality (maybe spending at 'W' era levels) is easier whens initiated earlier. Every day makes the coming adjustment harder. To reiterate, the general public will not back our bloated spending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boghie View Post
    Re(1): 'Sequestration Forever!', The Strata-Sphere, AJ Strata
    Re(2): 'The Democrats have lost on Sequestration', The Washington Post, Ezra Klein

    Yup, here is comes.

    The governed want us to prioritize. I really don't mean us. We are the worker bees, but...

    You simply cannot blow your cash flow like the gubmint has for the last five years and expect the cash flow to continue. It will get harder as interest rates go up. I would like to thank FED Chairman Bernanke for buying this Administration and this Congress time to get their spending in order and reduce debt. He has given this group years to do this. But, these goobers didn't.

    Adjusting to reality (maybe spending at 'W' era levels) is easier whens initiated earlier. Every day makes the coming adjustment harder. To reiterate, the general public will not back our bloated spending.
    That's actually one of the good things about sequestration in my opinion, that it forced the decision makers to prioritize their budget. I thought Congress was going to ultimately end Sequestration and than use the prioritized plans that everyone came up with to make (lesser) cuts.

    Also we found out a root cause of the government's spending issues: Once started, you can't cut anything without people getting butt-hurt.
    And there it is, the budget issues aren't going to get fixed until tough decisions are made that are going to make a lot of people mad. You can only get rid of so much waste until you have to start cutting people, programs, departments, locations. The Navy's solution to sequestration was largely based on pushing things out to the right in time... that's not a sustainable solution. That's kicking the can down the road.

    Personally I'd rather see layoffs than furloughs. Furloughs seem more like a slow bleeding; at least with layoffs people can move on and move forward. Can you imagine having to take 26 days unpaid leave every year, indefinitely? Sure seems like an incentive and encouragement to quit so they don't have to pay you unemployment. Except in that case you love your talent first


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