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    if we fire all the contractors they might get discouraged enough to go on the dole, which would lower the participation rate, meaning the unemployment numbers would go down, which is a good thing, right?

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    But, I do think we will feel real deflation. Every penny is sacred...

    It would be best for everyone if the goobers fighting reality with lawsuits would allow the ratcheting down of salaries in a measured manner. Anyone want your 11 days of furlough to happen in September? We hired too many chunks of fat from 2009 onward. Folks believed that the downturn was a short one that could be alleviated through short term borrowing. Wrong move. Dumb idea. Now we have the additional salary structure of 200,000+ civilian employees. Is it fair to hire them and then cut them? Can you even do that in the gubmint. Dumb and Dumber.

    Don't like what I am seeing, but that doesn't mean it ain't happening. The private sector will neither care nor bail us out of our largess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by James48843 View Post
    None of this is a good thing.
    you are correct, sir. we should have just implemented the cuts in 2011 when the administration promoted and agreed to them in exchange for an increase in our credit card limit. now, two years later, we can only hope to somehow scrape up enough to pay the two year old ticket. plus interest. and the longer the meter runs the harder it is going to be to swallow.

    everybody wants change. until it comes out of their pocket.
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    Oh Bullcrap!!!...You don't know that, You are only speculating based on your own opinion alone..nothing of the sort has ever been mentioned..
    Do you have any concrete facts as to this will be the alternative?
    if so, Please present them here and now..
    The FAA has to save $637 million (operating budget), if the contract towers are not closed (50 million dollars savings) the FAA would have to increase furlough days from 11 to 14. Each furlough days saves the agency 15 million dollars. Though I guess the agency could try to find the 50 million from somewhere else in the operating fund. My project has gone from 19.2 million to 12.4 million already. Which is way above the 5.2% across the board cut.

    On a side note, last week I heard from many sources that the furlough days will go from 11 to 5. However, this was prior to the annoucement on the contract towers.

    I still believe no one knows anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATCJeff View Post
    The FAA has to save $637 million (operating budget), if the contract towers are not closed (50 million dollars savings) the FAA would have to increase furlough days from 11 to 14. Each furlough days saves the agency 15 million dollars. Though I guess the agency could try to find the 50 million from somewhere else in the operating fund. My project has gone from 19.2 million to 12.4 million already. Which is way above the 5.2% across the board cut.

    On a side note, last week I heard from many sources that the furlough days will go from 11 to 5. However, this was prior to the annoucement on the contract towers.

    I still believe no one knows anything.

    Jeff
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATCJeff View Post
    The FAA has to save $637 million (operating budget), if the contract towers are not closed (50 million dollars savings) the FAA would have to increase furlough days from 11 to 14. Each furlough days saves the agency 15 million dollars. Though I guess the agency could try to find the 50 million from somewhere else in the operating fund. My project has gone from 19.2 million to 12.4 million already. Which is way above the 5.2% across the board cut.

    On a side note, last week I heard from many sources that the furlough days will go from 11 to 5. However, this was prior to the annoucement on the contract towers.

    I still believe no one knows anything.

    Jeff
    I had several meetings in the last two weeks with some very very senior FAA executive folks, including some directly responsible for finance, and there was no hint at all at anything LESS than 11 days. They were all talking that 11 could get us where we needed to go, IF the forecasts on retirements were accurate.

    I don't know where any rumors about five may have started, but I can say those are just baseless rumors, from my branch of FAA's (AVS) perspective, and the discussions I've had over the last three weeks.

    Jeff is right- if the tower contracts are off the table for now- that has to be made up somewhere, and it is not good. None of this is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    Please present them here and now..
    here and now is too far away.

    paradigms have shifted. they broke the mold and it does no good to scramble after the pieces. it will never go back together the same. reality escapes us. embrace the new austerity, winter is coming. let it go.

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    I read a missive from a program manager written when the furloughs were starting to be announced. The PM discussed how the administration had instructed the executive branch, prior to the November election, not to begin planning for nor take any cost saving actions for a possible sequester. Nonetheless, this PM did take some deferral and saving actions, which should have avoided any staff impacts, but those were not recognized and factored into the savings needed when the furloughs were being decided. The missive noted that it was clear the administration desired the greatest impact on people as part of the 2014 strategy. Now that the public's mind has been instructed, the administration will not mind it if managers find savings to offset some of the furloughs. I still say in my day we knew how to move money to avoid any impact on existing staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrenlm View Post
    I read a missive from a program manager written when the furloughs were starting to be announced. The PM discussed how the administration had instructed the executive branch, prior to the November election, not to begin planning for nor take any cost saving actions for a possible sequester. Nonetheless, this PM did take some deferral and saving actions, which should have avoided any staff impacts, but those were not recognized and factored into the savings needed when the furloughs were being decided. The missive noted that it was clear the administration desired the greatest impact on people as part of the 2014 strategy. Now that the public's mind has been instructed, the administration will not mind it if managers find savings to offset some of the furloughs. I still say in my day we knew how to move money to avoid any impact on existing staff.
    that is true. here's how the progression went in my agency...

    for two years we scrimped and saved, don't backfill vacants, steal pens from local businesses to save supply expenses, do more with less all the way down the line, even had a savings suggestion hotline and we all rowed together. for nothing.

    our county is in the black. gave some back to carry others not so frugal. but that's not enough. and our state is in the black. but that's not enough, we have to share nationally to help the agency because others were not so prescient. so the agency on the whole can avoid furloughs. but not so fast, when folded into the department then all must share the deficit pain. it is not fair that some saw it coming and sacrificed and worked their asses off to stave off the shortfall, because if one gets furloughed all get furloughed. regardless of need or performance. and despite many workable proposals, there will be no prudent shuffling of priorities to preserve the mission, this knife cuts everyone the same. that came from the top down.

    so sorry you avoided the need for furloughs but there will be furloughs. and so sorry that after you shared savings there will not be only 5 days, now it is up for negotiation and likely will be much more. talk about a perverse incentive.

    i hate chess but always thought i could be king. now it's clear we are all pawns. make it hurt, across the board, despite your effort and talent all are the same, there will be no cream rising to the top.

    we have to convince everyone more revenue is needed to stave off disaster, even though there is not enough revenue out there to plug the leaks. and we have to extract enough savings even though no amount of savings will right the ship.

    we got played, for nothing, this is not the winning hand we hold. it is hard to believe that staking our futures on politics would not yield us anything but more politics. i feel used now. what a sucker. and we're about to get kicked off the teat. because there is a lot of folks who don't work and serve and save who deserve to not work and not serve and not save who need to be saved. it's kind of like church, except you can't choose not to go.

    see you in hell.
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    So it appears the Attorney General has determined DOJ components will not face furloughs this fiscal year. However, come next fiscal year they might happen without Congressional action.

    I guess I am safe for a few more months. If they had happened I contemplated retiring in June instead of end of the year.
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    MY FIRST furlough day is tomorrow>

    i plan to spend it picketing in front of my congressman"S office

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    Quote Originally Posted by James48843 View Post
    MY FIRST furlough day is tomorrow>

    i plan to spend it picketing in front of my congressman"S office
    Seriously? Sorry to hear that James.

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    And just for general information after all the Furlough updates yesterday the R word came up for 2014.
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