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    http://www.thelocal.de/society/20090616-19963.html

    BHO's Government Motors should buy the manufacturing dies for these cars and produce them as their new 2011 model lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McDuck View Post
    http://www.thelocal.de/society/20090616-19963.html

    BHO's Government Motors should buy the manufacturing dies for these cars and produce them as their new 2011 model lines.
    DON'T GIVE HIM ANY IDEAS!!!
    God bless the United States of America!


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    Interesting information about some upstart American car companies trying to break into the business while the big dogs are laid low. New technologies and new business models. Could be some interesting times ahead for the industry.



    The Next Detroit

    Joann Muller, 05.20.09, 06:00 PM EDT
    Forbes Magazine dated June 08, 2009
    Henrik Fisker is designing more than just a beautiful car.

    In the gloomy basement cafeteria of New York's Jacob Javits Center, Henrik Fisker is choking down a chicken sandwich and imagining a new kind of American car company. Almost everything is outsourced--engineering, components, the electric power train, manufacturing. No messy work rules to worry about, no postretirement health care. Only design and marketing remain in-house......

    http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/06...t-detroit.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBGibby View Post
    Interesting information about some upstart American car companies trying to break into the business while the big dogs are laid low. New technologies and new business models. Could be some interesting times ahead for the industry.



    The Next Detroit

    Joann Muller, 05.20.09, 06:00 PM EDT
    Forbes Magazine dated June 08, 2009
    Henrik Fisker is designing more than just a beautiful car.

    In the gloomy basement cafeteria of New York's Jacob Javits Center, Henrik Fisker is choking down a chicken sandwich and imagining a new kind of American car company. Almost everything is outsourced--engineering, components, the electric power train, manufacturing. No messy work rules to worry about, no postretirement health care. Only design and marketing remain in-house......

    http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/06...t-detroit.html


    Sure- and you can buy one for only $88,000, and wait a year for delivery. Maybe. If they have a factory to produce them by then. Because so far, all they have is one display model made. And it uses a GM produced 2.0 Liter engine. The 100 MPG figure isn't really the mileage- see, it's a plug in hybred, and goes for the first 50 miles on a battery, and then uses the gasoline engine after that. He's saying that the 20 MPG on the gasoline engine, combined with the electric, gives you the equivilent of 100 MPG.

    But it isn't available just yet.

    $88,000, and it's not yet available. I would venture to hazard a guess, and say that the price will creep up yet again before it actually makes it to market. See, it hasn't yet been through U.S. EPA or Crash testing. That's still to come. We'll see.

    I wish him luck, but that won't be the answer to the American auto market.

    Yep- that ought to beat the socks off them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James48843 View Post
    Sure- and you can buy one for only $88,000, and wait a year for delivery. Maybe. If they have a factory to produce them by then. Because so far, all they have is one display model made. And it uses a GM produced 2.0 Liter engine. The 100 MPG figure isn't really the mileage- see, it's a plug in hybred, and goes for the first 50 miles on a battery, and then uses the gasoline engine after that. He's saying that the 20 MPG on the gasoline engine, combined with the electric, gives you the equivilent of 100 MPG.

    But it isn't available just yet.

    $88,000, and it's not yet available. I would venture to hazard a guess, and say that the price will creep up yet again before it actually makes it to market. See, it hasn't yet been through U.S. EPA or Crash testing. That's still to come. We'll see.

    I wish him luck, but that won't be the answer to the American auto market.

    Yep- that ought to beat the socks off them.
    To quote Sergeant Hulka:


    Maybe all of the companies (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0608/070-automakers-tesla-aptera-smelling-opportunity.html) profiled won't be around in a few years; or maybe one of two will punch through and be productive and profitable. Time will tell. I'm all for some new ideas in auto design and production. Fisker, Tesla, Carbon Motors, Bright Automotive, and Aptera Motors are willing to take some risks. Maybe out of their successes and failures, auto manufacturing of the future will be better off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderhorse View Post
    that there is what is called a live well. Load them shiners up boys.

    just wait til the gm ad for the ca model comes out with pelosi sittin' up in there wearing one of them thong bikinis. y'all ever seen a hound dog puke?
    lol lol!!!! monky.gif



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    Incredible.

    Now that GM and Chrysler have declared bankruptcy, and shed a large number of their dealers, in an attempt to "right size" themselves to become profitable, Congress is now on the verge of un-doing it.

    There are now 221 co-sponsors in the House, for a bill to reopen all those dealerships that GM and Chrysler executives said they had to get rid of in order to become profitable.

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    Automobile Dealer Economic Rights Restoration Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)
    HR 2743 IH
    111th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 2743
    To restore the economic rights of automobile dealers, and for other purposes.
    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    June 8, 2009

    Mr. MAFFEI (for himself, Mr. KRATOVIL, Mr. VAN HOLLEN, Mr. HOYER, Mr. MCMAHON, Ms. SUTTON, Mr. BARTLETT, Mr. HALL of New York, Mr. POSEY, Mr. HEINRICH, Mr. PAULSEN, Ms. SHEA-PORTER, Mr. MANZULLO, Mr. DEFAZIO, and Mr. DAVIS of Alabama) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Financial Services (221 co-sponsors).

    A BILL
    To restore the economic rights of automobile dealers, and for other purposes.

    • Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.


    • This Act may be cited as the `Automobile Dealer Economic Rights Restoration Act of 2009'.

    SEC. 2. FINDINGS.


    • The Congress finds the following:


      • (1) Automobile dealers are an asset to automobile manufacturers that make it possible to serve communities and sell automobiles nationally.


      • (2) Forcing the closure of automobile dealers would have an especially devastating economic impact in rural communities, where dealers play an integral role in the community, provide essential services and serve as a critical economic engine.


      • (3) The manufacturers obtain the benefits from having a national dealer network at no material cost to the manufacturers.


      • (4) Historically, automobile dealers have had franchise agreement protections under State law.

    SEC. 3. RESTORATION OF ECONOMIC RIGHTS.


    • (a) In order to protect assets of the Federal Government and better assure the viability of automobile manufacturers in which the Federal Government has an ownership interest, or to which it is a lender, an automobile manufacturer in which the Federal Government has an ownership interest, or which receives loans from the Federal Government, may not deprive an automobile dealer of its economic rights and shall honor those rights as they existed, for Chrysler LLC dealers, prior to the commencement of the bankruptcy case by Chrysler LLC on April 30, 2009, and for General Motors Corp. dealers, prior to the commencement of the bankruptcy case by General Motors Corp. on June 1, 2009, including the dealer's rights to recourse under State law.


    • (b) In order to preserve economic rights pursuant to subsection (a), at the request of an automobile dealer, an automobile manufacturer covered under this Act shall restore the franchise agreement between that automobile dealer and Chrysler LLC or General Motors Corp. that was in effect prior to the commencement of their respective bankruptcy cases and take assignment of such agreements.


    • (c) Except as set forth herein, nothing in this Act is intended to make null and void:


      • (1) the court approved transfer of substantially all the assets of Chrysler LLC to New CarCo Acquisition LLC; or


      • (2) a transfer of substantially all the assets of General Motors Corp. that could be approved by a court after the date of introduction of this Act.


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    What do you think about that?

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    Not sure what to think. In dry country where it's 50-180 miles between communities with dealerships, it would be a good thing, especially for smaller communities where a dealership can be an anchor business. Where you have dealerships spaced closer than that..... If the dealerships go down, the independent mechanics would get a lot more business, but would have to invest in a lot more specialty training too, maybe. Not sure what more implications there would be-if the manufacturers can't turn a profit unless the dealerships get dumped...everyone keels over?
    "life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards" - soren kierkegaard

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    sounds to me like having a limb removed because it was gangrenous and then the doctor comes back and wants to re- attach it
    Just trying to be a good steward of what God has blessed me with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James48843 View Post
    Incredible.

    Now that GM and Chrysler have declared bankruptcy, and shed a large number of their dealers, in an attempt to "right size" themselves to become profitable, Congress is now on the verge of un-doing it.

    There are now 221 co-sponsors in the House, for a bill to reopen all those dealerships that GM and Chrysler executives said they had to get rid of in order to become profitable...

    What do you think about that?
    What do you expect when the government takes over "ownership" of a company? It becomes a federal agency, making no profit and spending money unnecessarily. What I want to know is, are the car salespeople on FERS now?
    God bless the United States of America!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viva La Migra View Post
    What I want to know is, are the car salespeople on FERS now?
    Yes, their title is automotive specialist, GS-15


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