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10/04/11

October and the 4th quarter did not start any better than September and the 3rd quarter ended. The Dow lost another 258-points and we are seeing new intraday and closing lows on some of the major indices.


For the TSP, the C-fund was down 2.84% yesterday, the S-fund dropped 4.93%, the I-fund fell 2.95%, and the F-fund (bonds) gained 0.53%.


The market is due for a relief rally, but the chart of the S&P 500 is hanging over a precipice and buying here would be a very tough call. The S&P closed at 1099 and as we talked about yesterday, the downside target of the head and shoulders pattern is near 1090. That doesn't necessarily mean there is support in that area. It is just a technical target area based on the size of the head and shoulders pattern.


Chart provided courtesy of www.decisionpoint.com, analysis by TSP Talk

Yesterday there was a rumor that American Airlines was on the verge of filing for bankruptcy, although it was never confirmed by the company. You can see what that did to the Dow Transportation Index - new lows on high volume.


Chart provided courtesy of www.decisionpoint.com, analysis by TSP Talk

The small caps of the Russell 2000 have really been hit hard during this recent sell-off. They are lagging badly having convincingly broken down to new lows. That is why our S-fund is doing so poorly.



Chart provided courtesy of www.decisionpoint.com, analysis by TSP Talk

With nowhere else to go, investors have continued to moved into bonds. When yields go down, bond prices and the F-fund go up, and you see that the yield on the 10-year T-note has fallen ever since the test of the 20-day EMA last week.



Chart provided courtesy of www.decisionpoint.com, analysis by TSP Talk

All of the gaps have now been filled on this 10-year T-note yield chart. The question is, will we see new lows in yields and a continued rally in the F-fund? If stocks continue to fall, the answer will probably be yes.

I continue to say that we could see a sharp rally quite soon, but we don't want to be too impatient. I have been looking for a capitulation-like sell-off first and with back to back 2.5% plus down days, we could be very close.

If we see a significant (1% or more) breakdown below the August lows, we will likely see a mass exodus from the remaining weaker bulls. The buy and holders will hang on, but any other bull who has not already sold will be really tested on a breakdown, and that kind of panic selling will likely give us a short-term buying opportunity.

We may not even need that. According to sentimentrader.com, since 1928,
the S&P 500 lost more than -2.5% on two consecutive days while closing at a new one-year low, 24 times. The next day was positive 50% of the time, the next week 71% and the next month 58%.

As far as the next week goes,
since 1940, the S&P was perfect being up 11 out of 11 times with a median return of +4.7%.

Since 1928, if the 2nd down day was a Monday (as it was this time), then the next week was positive all 5 times, averaging +11.1%. If we see another big loss this week, I may have to start to gamble. Maybe not 100% in stocks all at once. With 2 new IFT's in October (plus a 3rd to move to G) I can buy in 2 increments if I want to. I just have to remember to sell the rallies.

Don't forget we have the September jobs report on Friday morning.

Thanks for reading! We'll see you back here tomorrow.

Tom Crowley


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  1. RealMoneyIssues's Avatar
    Hey Tom, why don't you paint us a rosie picture... wow...

    Glad I am in G and cash... Not sure where to go from here, but tomorrow could be a telling day. Futures are mixed as I am sure there are more than a few people (bulls and bears, smart and dumb money) up late tonite trying to figure out what they are going to do tomorrow...

    I wish us all good trading.
  2. tsptalk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by RealMoneyIssues
    Hey Tom, why don't you paint us a rosie picture... wow...

    Glad I am in G and cash... Not sure where to go from here
    I think we know where the odds are...

    "As far as the next week goes, since 1940, the S&P was perfect being up 11 out of 11 times with a median return of +4.7%.

    "Since 1928, if the 2nd down day was a Monday (as it was this time), then the next week was positive all 5 times, averaging +11.1%."
    Buy fear, sell euphoria. You first.

  3. Happy_Trails's Avatar
    Hi Tom,
    What does a capitulation selloff look like in terms of volume and percentage drop? Are there any key levels that we should keep in mind to judge whether we have reached the bottom?
  4. Appatite's Avatar
    You have talked about capitulation several times. I assume this means that when things get bad, really bad, it actually gets worse from there before it gets better. That is when the little guy gets screwed as the pros step in and gobble up lower priced shares.

    So do we follow Europe or do they follow us? What I mean is that the overseas markets are now trading lower, big time. Are they seeing capitulation today and will we follow suit or are they following us from yesterday?

    I am already at a point where I want back in. But 2 IFTs and at the beginning of the month scares me to stay out just a little more. I got out of S at 20.09 so I am in a good position right now, unless this thing tanks another 10%
  5. coolhand's Avatar
    I'm on the same page with you Tom. Looking to get reinvested sometime this week. Hopefully we'll just fall off a cliff, but I suspect we'll get some headfakes to draw in the early bulls.
  6. daveaultman's Avatar
    A lot of "history" in this post. Here's an interesting (creepy?) tidbit they just talked about on CNBC:

    On October 3, 2008 the S&P closed at exactly 1099.23 with a VIX of 45. 7 days later the S&P was at 899 with a 65 VIX.

    On October 3, 2011 the S&P closed at exactly 1099.23 with a VIX of 45.

    Does this portend another big whoosh down? I'm not sure.

    I've been anxious to get back into stocks this week, possibly even today, but with the 2 IFT limit, I'm wondering if there's a better longer, or at least medium, term buying opportunity later in the month. If we're re-living the fall of 2008 all over again, not really, any rally will be fast and short-lived.
  7. tsptalk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Trails
    What does a capitulation selloff look like in terms of volume and percentage drop? Are there any key levels that we should keep in mind to judge whether we have reached the bottom?
    I'm not sure we can codify capitulation. Volume will likely be much higher than average. Some capitulations are really bad, some are just bad, some aren't so bad. In March 2009 the bottom came after a slow steady move down, but we saw the panic earlier in 2008.



    Quote Originally Posted by Appatite
    So do we follow Europe or do they follow us? What I mean is that the overseas markets are now trading lower, big time. Are they seeing capitulation today and will we follow suit or are they following us from yesterday?
    Right now Europe is calling the shots, but US banks are not in as bad shape as Europe's, but they are moving down in sympathy.

    Capitulation may not be THE bottom. Just a buying opportunity.

    One thing to keep in mind... If you really want to buy, we probably haven't seen the low. Buying a capitulation is not easy - and it can also be dangerous if you're wrong.

    The Dow is down 160 right now. I'd like to see 300 at some point today, but I think I will stick at least a toe in the water with an IFT this morning. Not 100% sure yet. We still have 2+ hours to decide. Good luck!
  8. tsptalk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by daveaultman
    On October 3, 2008 the S&P closed at exactly 1099.23 with a VIX of 45. 7 days later the S&P was at 899 with a 65 VIX.

    On October 3, 2011 the S&P closed at exactly 1099.23 with a VIX of 45.

    Does this portend another big whoosh down? I'm not sure.
    Weird and interesting.
  9. tsptalk's Avatar
    Something Revshark posted this morning. Is he talking about me?

    Serial bottom callers are usually wrong dozens of times before they get it right whereas those who wait for an actually turn will be wrong only once. It is a favorite games on Wall Street is to try to guess when a trending market is going to reverse but far more often than not the trend continues longer than most people think is reasonable. We have seen this numerous times to the upside over the last couple years and now that the bears have control we need to be equally respectful of the power of momentum to the downside. The market is not a rational beast and it doesn’t care whether we think it has gone down enough already.
  10. Happy_Trails's Avatar
    Thanks, Tom. Great points by Revshark.
  11. dpmp's Avatar
    What a day! Today was too ugly to believe that the market would stage a late rally into the close. I could call it a short squeeze, but who knows. The market hits the 20% discount, then went north. Hmmm...

    Wonder if I have the gut to play hit-and-run tomorrow. Too many ifs...
  12. dpmp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by daveaultman
    A lot of "history" in this post. Here's an interesting (creepy?) tidbit they just talked about on CNBC:

    On October 3, 2008 the S&P closed at exactly 1099.23 with a VIX of 45. 7 days later the S&P was at 899 with a 65 VIX.

    On October 3, 2011 the S&P closed at exactly 1099.23 with a VIX of 45.
    I guess the similarity ends there. Will wait till next week to see how it turns out.
  13. dpmp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by tsptalk


    Capitulation may not be THE bottom. Just a buying opportunity.

    One thing to keep in mind... If you really want to buy, we probably haven't seen the low. Buying a capitulation is not easy - and it can also be dangerous if you're wrong.
    The final sell-off in 2009 (Feb - March) lasted 4 weeks and was basically the hedge fund redemption (the big bucks were losing money, in a panic and decided to withdraw the money). Will we see the similar gut wrenching sell-off this time? I'm not sure. I have read somewhere that the big money got into something different since then.
  14. dpmp's Avatar
    Friday (Sept 30) gapped down at the open from 1060 would (nearly) surely guarantee that the market would want to crawl back up to that level before it wants to do something else.

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