Obama Health Care plan for Aliens revealed.

[James48843]

True.

I just found out the Obama Health Care plan DOES include a clause that COULD lead to health care for Aliens.


http://technologizer.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/star-trek-sick-bay1.jpg

[James48843]

And here is the new Surgeon General Nominee:

http://www.ugo.com/movies/star-trek-casting/images/bones.jpg

[James48843]

And yes, there may be some waiting for certain medical services, if you are an Alien....

http://www.blog.speculist.com/archives/star%20trek%20plastic%20surgery%20small.JPG6706

[Buster]

DAMNIT Jim, he's a Vulcan!!

[James48843]

Bones never asked to see your health insurance card.

Starfleet ensured everyone was covered......


http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080425/Doctors/Star-trek-DeForest-Kelley_l.jpg


That's progress.

We have adopted many of the things Star Trek showed us 40 years ago.

Now it's time to move Health Care Reform.

[James48843]

Death panels?

NOT ON YOUR LIFE. The future does not hold Death Panels in store....that's just hype from those who are afraid of moving boldly into the future.

Even Captain Christopher Pike knew that life was worth living, and society helped him all the way.

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Ask him yourself.

Go ahead. Ask him.

http://captainpikeknowsall.com

[mick504]

Actually we taxpayers have been paying for alot of health care above and beyond what aliens can legally receive under Medicaid as "Emergency Care". Some states have allowed the definition of ER Care to vary and be used broadly....some judges decisions also have either agreed or forced States to do this. Therefore the Feds and States under Medicaid have spent alot od dough on illlegal Aliens. Also once an illegal alien gets a Medicaid card which may be good for 3-6 months ...depending on the State's Medicaid program...they go to the dentist and get everything else done if possible. This has been ongoing for years. The Obama program will, I guess include all illegals...I don't know...as I haven't read it.

[James48843]

In our health care system of the future, Nurses will play a greater role, evaluating patients using the latest technology, and administering primary care on the medical front lines......Ask Nurse Christine Chapel:

http://heartbookseries.com/wp-content/uploads/image/StarTrekNurseChapel.jpg


Nurse Chapel supports health care reform.

[James48843]

...The Obama program will, I guess include all illegals...I don't know...as I haven't read it.


Here is section 246, of H.R. 3200, the House version of the bill. Go check it out for yourself at http://thomas.loc.gov



H.R.3200

America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.



Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

[Buster]

Did you know..

http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/26953.gif

That Nurse Chapel also was the voice for the Enterprise's Computer?

and Also reappeared in Star Trek, "The Next Generation" as Deanna Troi's Mother...

http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/68/DeannaTroi.jpg


Lwaxana Troi ?

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/5/55/Lwaxana_Troi,_2371.jpg/292px-Lwaxana_Troi,_2371.jpg

[James48843]

I never knew that.

Cool!

See what you can learn on TSPTALK?

[James48843]

Health Care of the future will depend more on preventive care, and regular visits to check up, rather than waiting for something bad to bring you to the emergency room.

Here, Health Care in the 24th century is a measure of wellness, rather than strictly waiting for illness to set in.

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A few minutes on the diagnostic table, and
Bones will have a much better idea where you stand.

[James48843]

Advance medicine will continue to be the hallmark of the American medical system. Only now, we won't be sidetracked with "preexisting conditions" excluding people from needed care, and causing them to go bankrupt over medical costs.

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State of the art medical care, with no exclusions for "pre-existing conditions"

[James48843]

Once Health Care reform passes Congress, and is signed into law, EVERY American will be able to say......

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Live Long....and PROSPER!

[Buster]

...And even an injured tunneling Rock named Horta got expert medical care..
http://img.trekmovie.com/images/horta.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_6xoH967aC00/RZuwVpjOm9I/AAAAAAAAAko/240dJKYoNoQ/s320/st026.jpg

Only fair it seems..I mean after all, Kirk did blow a chunk off her with his Phaser..

[Buster]

Something very profoundly stated here...

OLaAHTxF3k8&feature=related

[mick504]

I'm glad that is the case James....and I hope nothing is changed to include illegal Aliens as they currently receive "Emergency Medical Care" under Medicaid...and once they get their Medical card from the state they reside in, for say 3-6 months get other medical/dental benefits they are not allowed to get. Thanks James; although I didn't search...I'll take your word on it!

[tsptalk]

Who is going to pay for the alien autopsies? :)

http://www.tsptalk.com/images/mb/082509.gif

[Viva La Migra]

Here is section 246, of H.R. 3200, the House version of the bill. Go check it out for yourself at http://thomas.loc.gov



H.R.3200

America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.



Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.


How about this section:

SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE.
(a) In General- Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.

(b) Implementation- To implement the requirement set forth in subsection (a), the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall, not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, promulgate such regulations as are necessary or appropriate to insure that all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act are provided (whether directly or through contractual, licensing, or other arrangements) without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.

Healthcare providers, health insurance companies, and the agency to be created to oversee this monstrosity will not be allowed to inquire about a person’s immigration status.

Then there’s this section:

`Subpart A--Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable Health Care Coverage

`Sec. 59B. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.
`SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

`(a) Tax Imposed- In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of--
`(1) the taxpayer's modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over
`(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.

`(c) Exceptions-
`(2) NONRESIDENT ALIENS- Subsection (a) shall not apply to any individual who is a nonresident alien.

So someone who comes here on a temporary visa who works in the U.S. legally or illegally will not have to pay this tax because he or she is a “non-immigrant” yet he or she cannot be denied care or coverage under section 152. Illegal aliens by definition are “non-resident” aliens, because they have not been granted “legal permanent resident” status.

Star Trek is a fantasy world. That said, our military doctors and nurses currently provide medical care to our soldiers AND our enemies without regard to cost. I fully expect that future generations of our people will continue that tradition should we encounter alien life on other planets in need of medical care.

[Viva La Migra]

Also notice that section 246 only applies to "affordability credits" and not to government run healthcare or health insurance.

[coolhand]

Star Trek is a fantasy world.

Apparently our administration has been living in one too. :rolleyes:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNaqecavD9ek

[mick504]

I don't trust almost anything this Administration does...especially the new Health Care Plan as it's full of social type people. Once the bill is eventually passed unless exclusions are listed related to "undocumented aliens" the term usually used in the health care environment; we will pay for them in some form...I believe. I'm not sure about the term listed as non-resident alien though!

[mick504]

One would surely have to study the complete health care bill in its entirety...to assure that "those illegally in the US" do not receive any more medical care than what's already included in Medicaid by law...that covers "Emergency Medical Care" for undocumented aliens.

[coolhand]

I don't trust almost anything this Administration does...especially the new Health Care Plan as it's full of social type people. Once the bill is eventually passed unless exclusions are listed related to "undocumented aliens" the term usually used in the health care environment; we will pay for them in some form...I believe. I'm not sure about the term listed as non-resident alien though!

I moved from San Diego to Orlando over 8 years ago, but before I did there were stories of hospital closings due to the sheer volume of illegal immigrants using the Medical system in Los Angeles and not paying for the services. The law in that state required that anyone seeking medical care could not be turned away. So they flocked across the border to have their babies and seek all manner of medical attention at someone else's expense.

It may be a noble gesture to take care of those who need it, but socialized medicine does not work in our capital based markets. If it were to pass as advertised, which I seriously doubt at this point, our system would be immediately overwhelmed. In addition to the illegal immigration issues, you can bet medical care professionals would seek other avenues of compensation rather than allow the government to pay them pennies on the dollar for their services too.

http://www.examiner.com/x-5919-Norfolk-Crime-Examiner~y2009m8d18-Proof-that-illegal-aliens-are-bankrupting-Los-Angeles

http://immigrationreview.blogspot.com/2009/07/hidden-impact-of-illegal-immigration-on.html

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=3978

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000060.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150750,00.html

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=9572

[mick504]

In my former life...job; as I am retired now, uncovered millions of dollars under the Medicaid program in only one state! And that state was number 12, on the list with the most undocumented aliens...(I always called them illegal aliens) in the US. Can you imagine what states 1-11 are spending on medical....and I'm not talking about the "emergency medical care" which does include deliverying babies in the hospital. It's a major crisis and medical is just one of several services they receive. What about free tuition...causing more schools and teachers to be hired...more police etc, etc. Enough said. The border problem is severe....! Some socialists say that they pay taxes...hardly...they cost the US taxpayer plenty...we have to 'get real' folks.

[PessOptimist]

Back to the original subject/attempt to inject humor in to a touchy situation:

Counsellor Troi...mmmmmm

But I really miss Lt Tasha Yar.

[Buster]

Back to the original subject/attempt to inject humor in to a touchy situation:

Counsellor Troi...mmmmmm

But I really miss Lt Tasha Yar.YES!!!!! she was HOT!!..But perhaps a little on the butchy side...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3238/2624354788_d90916762d_o.jpg


Seven of Nine ranks pretty high in my book too..
http://bp0.blogger.com/_svPQ_U3jni8/RxGrMnLXKxI/AAAAAAAAALo/URC0ZF7FvP4/s400/7.jpg

along with T'pol being my favorite Trek Babe

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/tpolandtrip.jpg

[coolhand]

:d

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[luv2read]

OMG!!!! GREEN blood!!! Protect the blood supply now!:nuts:

[wwwtractor]

Well, let us think for a moment. If the medical systems were overwhelmed with costs who would take control? Hhmmm.

http://delicious.com/wwwtractor/nursing/ (http://delicious.com/wwwtractor/invest)

Some nursing links.

[CountryBoy]

Obama's Health Rationer-in-Chief

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574374463280098676.html#


Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, health adviser to President Barack Obama, is under scrutiny. As a bioethicist, he has written extensively about who should get medical care, who should decide, and whose life is worth saving.

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In numerous writings, Dr. Emanuel chastises physicians for thinking only about their own patient's needs. He describes it as an intractable problem: "Patients were to receive whatever services they needed, regardless of its cost. Reasoning based on cost has been strenuously resisted; it violated the Hippocratic Oath, was associated with rationing, and derided as putting a price on life. . . . Indeed, many physicians were willing to lie to get patients what they needed from insurance companies that were trying to hold down costs." (JAMA, May 16, 2007).

Of course, patients hope their doctors will have that single-minded devotion. But Dr. Emanuel believes doctors should serve two masters, the patient and society, and that medical students should be trained "to provide socially sustainable, cost-effective care." One sign of progress he sees: "the progression in end-of-life care mentality from 'do everything' to more palliative care shows that change in physician norms and practices is possible." (JAMA, June 18, 2008).


This will should chill your blood. This guy is bHo's Dr. Death advisor. :mad:

Don't get sick.

CB, RWE Czar :D

[mick504]

I hear Dr. Kevorkian is getting a pardon.......just kidding!