Censors for talk radio expected within 90 days

[CountryBoy]

The announcement said the U.S. now is facing "an insidious attack on its First Amendment Rights that is being cloaked in legislation and regulation evidenced by the recently circulated draft FCC regulations … to impose 'localism' and 'media ownership diversity' on talk radio."

"In addition, under the guise of 'cyberspace security,' Sens. Rockefeller, Snowe and Nelson have introduced S773 which would, critics say, give the federal government control over the Internet including, under emergency conditions, the right of the president to shut down the whole Internet or sites on it, including the interruption of e-mail," the announcement said.

"When the public is informed about what is happening behind the scenes to threaten their First Amendment rights, they will be outraged. As shown in a recent poll that was commissioned by the coalition and is part of the 'Zogby/O'Leary Report's First 100 Days Poll' when 3,937 voters from the last election were asked: 'Four members of the U.S. Senate recently introduced a bill that would allow the president of the United States to turn off the Internet nationally in the event of an emergency, however the Bill does not DEFINE what constitutes an emergency. Do you support or oppose this bill?'" the announcement said.

Nearly 82 percent opposed the idea. Only 5 percent agreed with it.
………

Just weeks ago, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., submitted an amendment to the D.C. Voting Bill which would require the FCC to "encourage and promote diversity in ... media ownership" and reaffirm FCC authority to mandate the presentation "of opposing points of view on issues of public importance."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96533

Well so much for free speech and capitalism. It’s all out their for anyone who gives a damn about reading up on it. It Leftist talk radio so so much in demand, it would fill the airwaves, but even Soro’s billions, vouldn’t keep Air America alive and the future senator from Minnesota, Al “I’m a Moron Franken” even resorted to taking money from children.

You can bury your head in the sand and say, well look at the source, well people the source is the federal government’s legislation and the MSM has drunk the Kool aid and abandoned their job of keeping the Gov’t honest. That’s one of the reasons for freedom of the press. Ignore this at your own risk, cause more of this Socialism crap is heading for a town near you comrade.

Welcome to our brave new world and 1984 was just 25 years before it's time.:nuts: Heil.....

Have 53% of the country gone deaf, demb and blind?

CB

[jimijr]

Greetings Comrade! CB, all your songs seem to be in the same key. Are you really so worried?

Do you even listen to the radio any more? I don't; nearly zero TV, too. Instead I use my library card, no muss no fuss no commercials. :)

[CountryBoy]

Greetings Comrade! CB, all your songs seem to be in the same key. Are you really so worried?

Do you even listen to the radio any more? I don't; nearly zero TV, too. Instead I use my library card, no muss no fuss no commercials. :)

Ahh, you're one of those, pretty brave with the comrade comment.:laugh: And if you feel that Rahim saying the American people have better get used to the Gov't rewarding failure is fine and dandy, there's not alot to talk about, except to reward failure sure speaks plenty on your beliefs. That's to bad.

I can't help it if you're to obtuse to see what is going on around you, but maybe you do and enjoy it, sine you obviously have no problem with the Gov't taking over everything they can. You definately need to study the Constitution, if ya can understand it and know how many have sacrificed to protect it.

Sure, it's the same old tune, but with a different story. You need to get your nose out of the books and see what's going on around you, but then ignorance is bliss;) And you sound very blissful.

But you had me at the comrade comment, so I'll not waste any more time on a lost cause. Good luck with the socialist thing and blowing your kids future, which is being spent away on all the giveaways.

Read about the 30's in Germany and maybe you'll be able to see similarities, though you might have made a good brown shirt.

So far we still have free speech and you're free to show all the blissfulness you want.:rolleyes: Just put me on ignore and you won't have to put up with numerous stories of your idol's clay feet.And I have no problem being the lone voice in the wilderness or the minority in my POV.

I don't need your's or anyone's approval for me to continue to voice or feel good about what I'm doing, especially when I see as a brazen attack to usurp our Constitutional rights. So just ignore me junior.

I'm more concerned than worried, but at least I ain't blissful. But I'm just wasting my breath with your kind.

CB

[ChemEng]

I thought Howard Stern already went through all this with his fight against the FCC? Why wasn't the Constitutionality of the matter an issue then like you are claiming it is now?

[squalebear]

Greetings Comrade! CB, all your songs seem to be in the same key. Are you really so worried?

Do you even listen to the radio any more? I don't; nearly zero TV, too. Instead I use my library card, no muss no fuss no commercials. :)

Different points of view are always welcomed and encouraged,
as we are mature enough to agree to disagree. Name calling is
Crap we can all do without. Express yourself with respect. :worried:

[CountryBoy]

I thought Howard Stern already went through all this with his fight against the FCC? Why wasn't the Constitutionality of the matter an issue then like you are claiming it is now?

I didn't agree with what happened to stern either, constitutionally. I believe his problem had something to do with so called racist remarks, at the wrong period of time and I have to agree his freedom of speech was infringed upon also. He had been crossing the line like that for years and both sides were always clamoring to be on his show. But for some reason several days after he made the coments, they became offensive. Hypocrasy at it's best or worse, depending on your POV.

As for me, growing up in the late 50's and early 60's, my dad used to called me nappy headed all the time, it meant the same thing as pillow head, so from my point of view, Stern was much to do about nothing, but some folks got their panties all in a twist. These folks really need to growup, take the thumb from their mouth and get a thicker skin or they are always going to be going around with their wittle feelings hurt.

But what's happening today, with hits lists, pales in comparison to Stern, who I really never cared for anyway and but if'n you can call Bushm Hitler or worse that bin laden or the world's biggest terrorist, then anyting should be allowed, but alas, it's only a one way street.

Yep up early, I should've known at my age Pizza and ice cream sure don't mix. :sick:

CB

[CountryBoy]

Different points of view are always welcomed and encouraged,
as we are mature enough to agree to disagree. Name calling is
Crap we can all do without. Express yourself with respect. :worried:

I shouldn't have responded to him anyway, with only barely 1 post a month, I figger he was just ghosting as someone else. After 5 years running a heart bypass board, I'd recognize a possible ghostie and know better than to rise to the bait, but I can't resist a good discussion. :laugh:

Have a good weekend SQ. Pizza and Ice Cream :sick: you'd thnk I'm some knuckled headed college kid eating like that, well I'm paying for it now. :o

CB

[James48843]

...

Read about the 30's in Germany and maybe you'll be able to see similarities, though you might have made a good brown shirt.

CB

Acutally CB, I think you are referring to "the Fairness Doctrine", which was a very key part of our American History here in the United States, from 1949, well into the 1980's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

It was what required radio and television stations, which broadcast over PUBLIC airwaves, to occasionally air divergent points of view.

It was a good part of the glue that held this nation together.

And it would argue that it would work just as well now- and should be a law.

It wouldn't prohibit Rush from having a 4 hour radio show.

What it WOULD do, is to mandate that once in a while, there are opposing voices heard. Yes, it would require those companies who own broadcast stations and make money from using the public airways, to share time with those who have viewpoints that are different from their own. I think that is a good idea, and part of what makes America a great nation- we're many different peoples, from many different backgrounds, and we're all in this together.

The Fairness Doctrine is not the same as the "Equal Time" rule, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rule) which affected political candidates.

I honestly believe it would help to PREVENT the brownshirts you speak of, by showing that there are other views out there.

Just my 2 cents...

[Bullitt]

Do you even listen to the radio any more? I don't; nearly zero TV, too. Instead I use my library card, no muss no fuss no commercials. :)

Who doesn't use their library card? I always listen to XM Radio, channel 175 to be exact, on my way to the library. That way the only learning never ends.

[tsptalk]

Who are you kidding Bullitt? We know you're listening to baseball games. :D

By the way, who is on channel 175? I don't have XM. What am I missing?

[CountryBoy]

Acutally CB, I think you are referring to "the Fairness Doctrine", which was a very key part of our American History here in the United States, from 1949, well into the 1980's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

It was what required radio and television stations, which broadcast over PUBLIC airwaves, to occasionally air divergent points of view.

It was a good part of the glue that held this nation together.

And it would argue that it would work just as well now- and should be a law.

It wouldn't prohibit Rush from having a 4 hour radio show.

What it WOULD do, is to mandate that once in a while, there are opposing voices heard. Yes, it would require those companies who own broadcast stations and make money from using the public airways, to share time with those who have viewpoints that are different from their own. I think that is a good idea, and part of what makes America a great nation- we're many different peoples, from many different backgrounds, and we're all in this together.

The Fairness Doctrine is not the same as the "Equal Time" rule, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rule) which affected political candidates.

I honestly believe it would help to PREVENT the brownshirts you speak of, by showing that there are other views out there.

Just my 2 cents...

I know exactly it's the fairness doctrine they are talking about. Some of us do keep up. What I believe if the public doesn't support liberal radio, then my tax dollars shouldn't. If NPR can't survive without tax payers dollars, then it should be allowed to fail.

People need to put their money where their mouth is and if they want liberal radio, then by gosh they should support it instead of begging for our tax dollars to be spent on something the public won't support. At least Soros put in a good size chunk of chnage to try to get Air America out their, but the public didn't support it, not even you libs. If not then pay as you go.....you want liberal radio on the airwaves with our tax dollars, then give up something else that you libs value. I'm all for both sidesplaying this zero sum budget spending.

We're not the ones requesting an Armed Civilian force on the par of our military, that's Rahi and bHo. That's the brownshirts I'm talking about. I know paying for failure is in vogue with the administration and his followers, but to me, and it used to be, that if you couldn't cut the mustard or failed you did something else. Now you get a bailout and that's totally acceptable to most, but not to me becasue I was raised to take personsal responsibility for my actions whether they were a success or failure.

CB just a old dinosaur

[Bullitt]

Who are you kidding Bullitt? We know you're listening to baseball games. By the way, who is on channel 175? I don't have XM. What am I missing?

Haha! 175 is MLB Network.

[wv-girl]

The announcement said the U.S. now is facing "an insidious attack on its First Amendment Rights that is being cloaked in legislation and regulation evidenced by the recently circulated draft FCC regulations … to impose 'localism' and 'media ownership diversity' on talk radio."

"In addition, under the guise of 'cyberspace security,' Sens. Rockefeller, Snowe and Nelson have introduced S773 which would, critics say, give the federal government control over the Internet including, under emergency conditions, the right of the president to shut down the whole Internet or sites on it, including the interruption of e-mail," the announcement said.

"When the public is informed about what is happening behind the scenes to threaten their First Amendment rights, they will be outraged. As shown in a recent poll that was commissioned by the coalition and is part of the 'Zogby/O'Leary Report's First 100 Days Poll' when 3,937 voters from the last election were asked: 'Four members of the U.S. Senate recently introduced a bill that would allow the president of the United States to turn off the Internet nationally in the event of an emergency, however the Bill does not DEFINE what constitutes an emergency. Do you support or oppose this bill?'" the announcement said.

Nearly 82 percent opposed the idea. Only 5 percent agreed with it.
………



Hi CB,

I have spent much of last month in classes, so haven't been able to catch up much on the board.

I found it interesting that my instructor was talking about this in class. No one seems to like or want it, but with this new admin it won't matter what the people want...they are doing it anyway. That seems to be the new theme....
I have already seen shades of this starting to come together in my agency. Much tighter internet security..moving to more of a single source of access--gov wide, with DHS and or the pentagon ending up with ultimate control. This is being done internally within each agency first and once it has been accomplished, it is not a giant leap to take over ip address distributions and begin to move outside of the gov. With the massive problems currently being encountered to accomplish this task it will hopefully take years to complete. Maybe current admin will only be around 4 long years. Lets hope enough of us will still be around to try and reverse the damage.

wv-girl

[CountryBoy]

Hi CB,

I have spent much of last month in classes, so haven't been able to catch up much on the board.

I found it interesting that my instructor was talking about this in class. No one seems to like or want it, but with this new admin it won't matter what the people want...they are doing it anyway. That seems to be the new theme....
I have already seen shades of this starting to come together in my agency. Much tighter internet security..moving to more of a single source of access--gov wide, with DHS and or the pentagon ending up with ultimate control. This is being done internally within each agency first and once it has been accomplished, it is not a giant leap to take over ip address distributions and begin to move outside of the gov. With the massive problems currently being encountered to accomplish this task it will hopefully take years to complete. Maybe current admin will only be around 4 long years. Lets hope enough of us will still be around to try and reverse the damage.



wv-girl

Yeah WV-girl,

Interesting, because all the polls, showed the American people have been against the bailouts from TARP1. If this doesn't tell folks what Congress thinks of them or they'll do what they want, nothing will. I just figure most folks either are socialist, ignorant or like to be told what to do, as long as they get that government cheese. :(

Hopefully the damage will be limited to all the things bHo is attempting to do tho weaken the Constituition, but at least your eyes, and most importantly, are open to the fact of this slow erosion and not buried in the sand. So many have become an enabler for bHo by justifying his actions, because he is bribing them with their own money and damn our future generations. It's shameful. My father fought in WWII and he's appalled at the selfishness and lack of concern for the country, that so many peole are exhibiting. He said his generation didn't fight so that the US Constitution could be manipulated thru the backdoor and Congress is turning a blind eye to it all. He refuses to use the word liberal or Democrat, since he used to be one and vote that way.

But be careful, being from WV, you'll be called all kinds of names, that if used to describe other groups would be considered racist. I have decided that the next time, I'm called a hillbilly, hick or redneck, I'm considering going to EEO and file a complaint, just to show how stupid, asinine and PC this country has become. At the least I'm going to tell those people I don't approved of the bigotted racist comments. Only use fellow rednecks and hicks can call each other that, just like the blacks are the only one able to use the "N" word, though I've yet to see a law to that effect.

The press and TV make country and religious folk fair game for ridicule, because we have strong beliefs and upbringing, and that scares them and the libs, cause they don't understand stand how people can have them, since their beliefs are continually changing as the latest shiny object (bHo) this time) comes on the horizon.

Hopefully 2010 will change the makeup of Congress and things will slow back down and we'll get some people in Congress, who'll actually read what they pass ( not like Frank and Dodd), though they and their fellow libs are quite quick to blame the evil republics for their failurure to read the bills. :laugh: What a joke.

If 2010 is more of the same...well... they'll be more people not paying income taxes than paying them, since the annointed one will be able to get his social/welfare experiment passed. And you know what will participate from that dynamic. ;) Right now, I've heard that this number stands at between 40% to 45% and the libs/socialists haven't disputed this fact.

Enjoy the wet weekend, hopefully the rain will stop long enoughso I can finish bucking this tree I dropped yesterday.

CB

[James48843]

Hopefully 2010 will change the makeup of Congress and things will slow back down and we'll get some people in Congress,


Well CB- we'll have to wait and see.

The average for mid-term election seats lost is around 20 seats- depending on the approve/disapprove polls at the time of the election:


http://media.gallup.com/GPTB/goverPubli/20021022_1.gif

Right now President Obama is running in the mid-sixities- one poll puts it at 68%/23% favorable.

That would put him right up there above Regan, and above Clinton's second term, when Clinton PICKED UP five seats. Only FDR had a higher number, and that was in the early months of World War 2. You can't beat numbers like this so far, anyway.

We'll have to wait and see.

Polls on Obama job rating: http://pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

[CountryBoy]

James,

I'm going to answer 2 threads in one here, since debate is pretty futile, when the fall back answer is the evil republicans or Bush is at fault on everything. No room for discussion there.

Regarding the 2010 election you really need to have some data consistency when talking stats, but then you can make stats say anything you want, especially when you don't use the same date time period. That's called cherry picking. Best thing would've have been to not even brought up the data comparison, since it's invalid at this time, so I'm not sure what you are trying to prove by using such onconsistent data.

And your onmylist friends, they consist of people who, using their own words, "We're people who love life, activity, information, people. What a better way to keep on top of it all than by creating lists? We strive to provide a fresh, gratifying, intuitive site that allows you to organize beautiful, glorious lists. Beyond organization, you can also share, search, print and rate lists. It's meant to improve your quality of life and provide a little bit of fun along the way.

Our small crew dapples in international living, media work, food obsession, web development, letterpress printing, wine swigging, travel fever, dog walking and rock-star mentalities. The only way we can keep it all straight, of course, is by making a list.

We're really freaking excited to have you OnMyList.

Send us gifts:"

They sound more like a dating service or the berkenstock crowd. But I'm glad you found some friends that can speak for you and have the same beliefs. I wonder if they'll accept my list to Santa?;)

From their/your definition of socialism, everything and anything that accepts taxpayer dollars is considered socialized and thus, leaves zero room for debate, because the tax premise alone negates any room for future debate.

I'm glad that you have had so much exposure to folks that are knowledgeable and have first hand experience with socialized medicine. As anecdotal point, my daughter took history 2 years ago, from Dr. Jean Edward Smith, award winning FDR and currently Eisenhower biograhper, who has maintained his dual citizenship, born Canadian and has acquired an US citizenship, thru marriage I believe, He kept his Canadian citizenship, in his words, so he could travel back home for his free drugs, (though we all know nothings free) that Canda has to offer. But when quizzed about where he under went cancer surgery, he sheepishly admitted to having it done in the US, because for real illness's Canada's med system is a danger to it's public, his words and those expressed by the liberal Canadian Supremes, It's public info. Everyone always says socialized medicine is great if you don't get sick, even our 2 adnutted socilist in our office. So good luck with your health, I'm mean that.

Also congrats on finding the onmylist friends group, that'll reduce the need for independent thinking and will also reduce debate to a minimum, cause we'll just have to see what the onmylist crowd think about stuff.

I know from my POV, I'm not going to debate/discuss some unknown internet group listings, especially when they give no reasoning for their beliefs or thoughts, but hey who needs belief anymore, when ya got bHo, to tell ya what to believe and think.:rolleyes: I'm sorry, they aren't totally unknown or w/o beliefs, they like wine swigging and rock-star mentalities. Personally I'm a beer man, but then I still bitterly hold onto my bible and guns.:laugh:

What ever rings your bell,

CB a dying breed, to be hasten by intoduction of socialized medicine.

CB

[James48843]

James,

...Regarding the 2010 election you really need to have some data consistency when talking stats, but then you can make stats say anything you want, especially when you don't use the same date time period. That's called cherry picking. Best thing would've have been to not even brought up the data comparison, since it's invalid at this time, so I'm not sure what you are trying to prove by using such onconsistent data.

Agreed- the numbers today won't be the numbers at election time in 2010. I was only pointing out that a president's job approval does seem to greatly influence what the mid-term elections do. If you do stupid things, and your approval ratings go down, then you loose a lot of seats at the mid-term election. On the other hand, if a president is able to hold or increase job approval, then it may not be so bad come the next election. As I said- only time will tell.


...From their/your definition of socialism, everything and anything that accepts taxpayer dollars is considered socialized and thus, leaves zero room for debate, because the tax premise alone negates any room for future debate.

I'm glad that you have had so much exposure to folks that are knowledgeable and have first hand experience with socialized medicine. As anecdotal point, my daughter took history 2 years ago, from Dr. Jean Edward Smith, award winning FDR and currently Eisenhower biograhper, who has maintained his dual citizenship, born Canadian and has acquired an US citizenship, thru marriage I believe, He kept his Canadian citizenship, in his words, so he could travel back home for his free drugs, (though we all know nothings free) that Canda has to offer. But when quizzed about where he under went cancer surgery, he sheepishly admitted to having it done in the US, because for real illness's Canada's med system is a danger to it's public, his words and those expressed by the liberal Canadian Supremes, It's public info. Everyone always says socialized medicine is great if you don't get sick, even our 2 adnutted socilist in our office. So good luck with your health, I'm mean that.

My sister is a nurse anesthetist (in Canada called a Nurse Practitioner-Anesthesia) in London, Ontario, and works in an ICU, and has for about a decade. She and I have discussed the health care issue at length many times. She used to work here, and moved to Canada about 15 years ago. She points out many of the benefits of the Canadian health care system, and some of the drawbacks. A shortage of doctors is one of the problems, as many doctors who train in Canada go to the U.S. to make more money. However, as a general rule, she tells me that hospital care exceeds U.S. standards in many ways.

Life expectancy is longer in Canada, and its infant mortality rate is lower than that of the U.S.

There are some wait times for MRI's and some specialized care, but overall they do a better job than the U.S. in treating disease that we do. And their costs are about half of what the U.S. spends per person. We spend about 31% of health care dollars on administrative expenses. They spend less than 7%. Which is a better deal for taxpayers?

More reading about Canadian Health Care:

http://worldfocus.org/blog/2009/01/28/how-the-us-measures-up-to-canadas-health-care-system/3783/

It's not perfect- but there is a lot we can learn from the way Canadians deliver health care.

If you are concerned about old age- go to Canada- you'll live longer. (Canada: 80.34 years, U.S.= 78.6 )
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems_compared

[CountryBoy]

Go to Canada, nah, Alec Baldwin and his lin Hollywood frinds got all the good places. No wait, they were all blow and no go, just like a lib. When I say I'll do something, I'll do it, not just talk about it. And death, really doesn't scare me anymore, since about 5 years ago. But I might put it "onmylist" with your friends and their deep analysis of socialization. ;)

You obviously didn't read my infant mortality rate discussion with Lady or just refused to accept the facts. Free drugs is great and a plus (the only one I've heard), but I still can't figure out why the former ministry of medicine, or whatever it's called in Canada, came to the US for treatment, oh yeah, she didn't want to wait forever, for a treatment Americans have available to them on a daily basis.

Shortage of Doctor's?, its because the Canadian Gov't, thru it socialized medicine pay scale will only pay them so much, kinda like our GS pay scale. That's why most of their brightest and best come here to work and to get paid, After at least 8 years of schooling they have a lot of time invested and I know I sure wouldn't want a GS 13 doc working on me. I see too many GS 13's that are one step above their competency. I'll pay for that A student doc anyday.

And when Gov't takes care of the waste, fraud and abuse by ALL involved in medicare/medicaid, then the Gov't can take on socialized medicine, until then no thanks, it'll be just be abother rat hole of our tax dollars flowing down to crooked docs and wasted by incompetent gov't drones, at least to my way of thinking. I know who you think is at fault. :)

Take Care,
CB