Increase in Gun Sales

[lmurky]

With the talk of this administration's potential levy of taxes on guns or amunition, does anyone see an opportunity to buy stocks of gun manufacturers? Ruger seems to have jumped substantially... and there have been many news articles about how guns sales are up significantly since last November.

[budnipper1]

With the talk of this administration's potential levy of taxes on guns or amunition, does anyone see an opportunity to buy stocks of gun manufacturers? Ruger seems to have jumped substantially... and there have been many news articles about how guns sales are up significantly since last November.
Why not just buy the guns? Owning the guns rather than buying stocks in a gun company is the better investment in my opinion. (Maybe even better than buying gold.) I might consider buying stock in ammo manufacturers. Right now they can't make enough to supply the demand. Unlike, housing, guns are still going up in value.
Just my rednecked, gun toting opinion.:D

[Viva La Migra]

Why not just buy the guns? Owning the guns rather than buying stocks in a gun company is the better investment in my opinion. (Maybe even better than buying gold.) I might consider buying stock in ammo manufacturers. Right now they can't make enough to supply the demand. Unlike, housing, guns are still going up in value.
Just my rednecked, gun toting opinion.:D

Buy the guns while you can! Here is one of the first gun control bills of the new administration:

H.R.45
Title: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes.
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Latest Major Action: 2/9/2009 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.


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[lmurky]

Given the forum, I was hoping to keep this along more financial than political lines, even though it may be close to impossible. I appreciate the intel. Just looking for opportunities to recover my huge losses last year. (Wish I knew about you guys then... :mad:)

I do like the idea about focusing on the ammo instead. Any thoughts on ATK?

[budnipper1]

Given the forum, I was hoping to keep this along more financial than political lines, even though it may be close to impossible. I appreciate the intel. Just looking for opportunities to recover my huge losses last year. (Wish I knew about you guys then... :mad:)

I do like the idea about focusing on the ammo instead. Any thoughts on ATK?
I don't have a clue about ATK except that the company appears to be focused on military type munitions, instead of sporting ammunition. I don't own any rocket launchers...yet!:nuts:

After a quick search, I've only found one listing for ammo related companies on the NYSE and that's OLN (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=OLN), http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=OLN .

It operates in two segments, Chlor Alkali Products and Winchester. The Chlor Alkali Products segment offers chlorine and caustic soda, sodium hydrosulfite, hydrochloric acid, hydrogen, bleach products, and potassium hydroxide. The Winchester segment produces and distributes sporting ammunitions, reloading components, small caliber military ammunition and components, and industrial cartridges.

So far, I have not found a stock for Remington ammo, but at one time DuPont owned it. If that's still the case, I would not buy the stock myself, even though I worked for DuPont for 13 years. (long time ago)

[JTH]

Buy Copper, lead, brass and gunpowder before China buys it all up.

At this time, I don't believe this bill has the legs to make it out of subcommittiee.

Having said that... I invest more money in guns and ammo than I do my retirement. :toung:

What's the whole point of having a bunch of stuff it you can't prevent anyone from taking it?

[Viva La Migra]

I don't have a clue about ATK except that the company appears to be focused on military type munitions, instead of sporting ammunition. I don't own any rocket launchers...yet!:nuts:

After a quick search, I've only found one listing for ammo related companies on the NYSE and that's OLN (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=OLN), http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=OLN .

It operates in two segments, Chlor Alkali Products and Winchester. The Chlor Alkali Products segment offers chlorine and caustic soda, sodium hydrosulfite, hydrochloric acid, hydrogen, bleach products, and potassium hydroxide. The Winchester segment produces and distributes sporting ammunitions, reloading components, small caliber military ammunition and components, and industrial cartridges.

So far, I have not found a stock for Remington ammo, but at one time DuPont owned it. If that's still the case, I would not buy the stock myself, even though I worked for DuPont for 13 years. (long time ago)



My agency uses a lot of Federal Premium ammunition, which is owned by ATK!

[budnipper1]

My agency uses a lot of Federal Premium ammunition, which is owned by ATK!

Thanks Viva La Migra, glad to know that. My brother just bought a .327 caliber revolver that's fairly new on the market. Federal is one of a very few that make ammo for it. As far as I know, Ruger and Charter Arms are the only ones making a gun that shoots the 327 ammo. They claim it has .357 stopping power, but without the recoil. I'm looking for more info before I make my "investment" in one. :laugh: The new gun shoots regular .32 ammo too.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SP101-327.htm

[McDuck]

http://gopkorea.blogs.com/flyingyangban/images/2008/03/17/obeyobama.jpg

[CountryBoy]

Buy Copper, lead, brass and gunpowder before China buys it all up.

At this time, I don't believe this bill has the legs to make it out of subcommittiee.

Having said that... I invest more money in guns and ammo than I do my retirement. :toung:

What's the whole point of having a bunch of stuff it you can't prevent anyone from taking it?

President Pelosi....er the wicked witch of the west told BHO to hold up on on the assault rifle ban, because she said he has enough on his plate and doesn't have the votes yet.

I'm like you JTH, I'm investing in guns and ammo, because they'll be more valuable than gold, because of HR 54. It's just waiting to be brought off the shelf and ain't it funny that it originated in Illinois. :laugh:

CB

[lmurky]

Thanks. I put Olin on my watch list and had another idea. Since it is difficult to isolate the sporting segment of the industry from the military, why not look at the retail stores that sell the guns? I'm thinking Cabelas may still be a good buy. On 2/14, I went to a gun show at the Dulles expo center in Chantilly, VA, and some of the ammo was sold out on Saturday afternoon (still had all day on Sunday). I think people are still making a run on the guns, even though the election's over. This dude disagrees: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/video/ts/SIG=12mbe8rc3/*http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/10465224/1/against-the-grain-sell-cabelas.html?cm_ven=YAHOOV&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

[Viva La Migra]

Thanks. I put Olin on my watch list and had another idea. Since it is difficult to isolate the sporting segment of the industry from the military, why not look at the retail stores that sell the guns? I'm thinking Cabelas may still be a good buy. On 2/14, I went to a gun show at the Dulles expo center in Chantilly, VA, and some of the ammo was sold out on Saturday afternoon (still had all day on Sunday). I think people are still making a run on the guns, even though the election's over. This dude disagrees: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/video/ts/SIG=12mbe8rc3/*http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/10465224/1/against-the-grain-sell-cabelas.html?cm_ven=YAHOOV&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA
If HR 45 gets out of the subcommittee, there will be another run on guns and ammo!

[JTH]

originated in Illinois.CB

I have no proof of anything, but I happen to believe most middle-of-the-road politicians won't chance losing their seats over another AWB.

If Barry gets his second term, he'll sign the bill. :mad:

[CountryBoy]

I have no proof of anything, but I happen to believe most middle-of-the-road politicians won't chance losing their seats over another AWB.

If Barry gets his second term, he'll sign the bill. :mad:

Well regardless, I just added a Mossburg 12 gauge persuader to my collection today. Even if the black panther doesn't dust off his bill at the slightest provocation, I've decided to begin adding guns to diversify my portfolio, as the value of what I've collected over the years have really gained in value and they probably always will, plus the baseball card thing, from childhood, didn't pan out as well as expected, dang Pete Rose and his gambling. :laugh:

CB

[JTH]

I'll be collecting guns & ammo, too. :D From my perspective, owning some extra ammo can't hurt. Prices have gone up over 25% since to the Iraq war and China buying up the materials. Funny thing is they never went back down after commodities did.

My last two purchases were an AK-47 Bull Pup, and a Rem 12 gauge tactical. The AK is only good for killing zombies and gaining value after the next AWB. Most of my firearms will be passed on to my children so they can help keep the next government honest. ;)

The Rem 12 gauge is my go-to choice for the home. :D

[CountryBoy]

I'll be collecting guns & ammo, too. :D From my perspective, owning some extra ammo can't hurt. Prices have gone up over 25% since to the Iraq war and China buying up the materials. Funny thing is they never went back down after commodities did.

My last two purchases were an AK-47 Bull Pup, and a Rem 12 gauge tactical. The AK is only good for killing zombies and gaining value after the next AWB. Most of my firearms will be passed on to my children so they can help keep the next government honest. ;)

The Rem 12 gauge is my go-to choice for the home. :D

Sweet JTH,

I'm buying a lot of extra ammo also. About 3 of my arsenal will be passed on to my daughter, she already has made her requests known. The new shotgun is definately for home protection or street clearing. Just a FYI, my brother buys ammo in bulk (1000 or 2000 at a time), mainly from Israel, but they aren't selling anymore, because of their own needs.

I'll look at the Bull pup as my next buy. We gotta keep'em honest.:worried:

CB

[Viva La Migra]

Sweet JTH,

I'm buying a lot of extra ammo also. About 3 of my arsenal will be passed on to my daughter, she already has made her requests known. The new shotgun is definately for home protection or street clearing. Just a FYI, my brother buys ammo in bulk (1000 or 2000 at a time), mainly from Israel, but they aren't selling anymore, because of their own needs.

I'll look at the Bull pup as my next buy. We gotta keep'em honest.:worried:

CB
I live in the People's Republic of California, where if it looks mean, it is banned!:mad: All I want for Christmas is an FN P-90!:nuts:

[CountryBoy]

I live in the People's Republic of California, where if it looks mean, it is banned!:mad: All I want for Christmas is an FN P-90!:nuts:

Of course the criminals have theirs, that's what the libs forget. We abide by the laws, but are at the mercy of the criminals. :(

CB

[lmurky]

Interesting article. Apparently, some "experts" share my sentiments, albeit a week later. :blink: http://www.minyanville.com/articles/SWHC-stock-sales-LAW-crime-guns/index/a/21415/from/yahoo

[budnipper1]

6127

Found my Ruger 357 magnum, finally! Awesome but "deafening" power. At least the ammo for it is easier to find than for my 380 auto. I think I bought the last box available in my area last week.

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[CountryBoy]

6127

Found my Ruger 357 magnum, finally! Awesome but "deafening" power. At least the ammo for it is easier to find than for my 380 auto. I think I bought the last box available in my area last week.

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Nice looking gun Bud,

I like the stainless. I have a .357 S&W model 19 and they sure are powerful. Luckily I load my own .357's, but I'm sure having a tough time finding 9mm stuff, plenty of .40 and .45 cal though.

CB

[budnipper1]

Nice looking gun Bud,

I like the stainless. I have a .357 S&W model 19 and they sure are powerful. Luckily I load my own .357's, but I'm sure having a tough time finding 9mm stuff, plenty of .40 and .45 cal though. CB
Thanks CB. I like it too. It's the first stainless gun I've owned. Before, I always preferred and bought blued or black but most Rugers I found were stainless. The one in the picture has been polished. The straight from the factory models are satin-finished stainless. The guy in the gun shop told me that the original owner had it polished soon after he bought it, kept it three weeks and then traded it back in on another gun. Said he's their best customer because he trades his guns like that regularly. I keep it loaded with 125 gr. 357 mags, but I've been shooting 38 special +P's or metal-jackets for practice. Not nearly as loud, but I've been told there's not much difference in knock down power between the two. I've never tried loading my own, but if ammo gets any scarcer, I might have to learn.

[Steadygain]

Reminds me of Clint Eastwood.....and one of his famous lines :D:D

I'm most found of the Shot Gun - because of it's VERY COOL SOUND when you pump it.

From my perspective that's the coolest sound in the world - because when they hear that there is NO DOUBT what's happening and the hair is standing straight up and bowel/bladder control is getting hard to maintain.

The only thing that could possibly bring relief is hearing my voice - so of course I keep quiet and wait for them and as soon as they start to talk - tell them to Shut Up - get on the ground and spead your arms and legs or this is the last thought you'll ever have. ;)

[CountryBoy]

Thanks CB. I like it too. It's the first stainless gun I've owned. Before, I always preferred and bought blued or black but most Rugers I found were stainless. The one in the picture has been polished. The straight from the factory models are satin-finished stainless. The guy in the gun shop told me that the original owner had it polished soon after he bought it, kept it three weeks and then traded it back in on another gun. Said he's their best customer because he trades his guns like that regularly. I keep it loaded with 125 gr. 357 mags, but I've been shooting 38 special +P's or metal-jackets for practice. Not nearly as loud, but I've been told there's not much difference in knock down power between the two. I've never tried loading my own, but if ammo gets any scarcer, I might have to learn.


I mainly shot 38 specials also, if I buy store bought ammo, cheaper and easier on the hand :D. I load .357 wad cutters, but when loaded for home protection it's loaded with 158 grain JHP's.

I tried to load my own .45's, but the tolerance is tight for a semi and you get a stovepipe or jam and I didn't want to spend the extra money to make my loading equipment more automatic, so I just stick .357, since the revolver is not as tight on tolerance.

I just bought my wife a S&W 60ls .357 that's brush stainless and I'm starting to get a liking for stainless, they are a beautiful gun. My others are blue or black composite.

Yeah I think the 38 spec and .357 would be about the same knockdown, especially if you use JHP's. ;) The just winging them would do the trick.

Have fun shooting, :D
CB

[CountryBoy]

Reminds me of Clint Eastwood.....and one of his famous lines :D:D

I'm most found of the Shot Gun - because of it's VERY COOL SOUND when you pump it.

From my perspective that's the coolest sound in the world - because when they hear that there is NO DOUBT what's happening and the hair is standing straight up and bowel/bladder control is getting hard to maintain.

The only thing that could possibly bring relief is hearing my voice - so of course I keep quiet and wait for them and as soon as they start to talk - tell them to Shut Up - get on the ground and spead your arms and legs or this is the last thought you'll ever have. ;)


Yeah Steady,

There is nothing like the sound of a pump shotgun chambering a shell. I used to think that in the dark a badguy would run just hearing the click of the revolver hammer pulled back or the slide of a semi of a round being chambered, but I have to say the pump would make a BG's blood run cold and probably he would loose control of at least his bladder:D, hearing that in a dark house.

CB

[Thunderhorse]

I like your security system Bud. Nice looking Ruger that is. I feed mostly .38's thru my old .357.
The young uns like the.38's too - easier for them to control and hit what they're aiming at.

I'm partial to pumps and side by sides.
Hard to beat the sound of a pump in the dark,
or visual "oh s**t" effect of staring down the wrong end of a double in daylight.

I ran across this recently - kinda funny.:laugh:

http://www.lesjones.com/www/images/posts/1740-porch.jpg


Spring gobbler season is close by. Time to break out the 835 Ultimag and the calls.
Nice pump but dang it kicks like a mule with those 3-1/2" loads.
Turkeys and BGs beware.:)


T'horse

[justbizness45]

6127

Found my Ruger 357 magnum, finally! Awesome but "deafening" power. At least the ammo for it is easier to find than for my 380 auto. I think I bought the last box available in my area last week.

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Nice, mines a Rossi, 6" barrel. Had to buy .38 special ammo last week. No .357 on the shelf, 3 guns stores.

[budnipper1]

Nice, mines a Rossi, 6" barrel. Had to buy .38 special ammo last week. No .357 on the shelf, 3 guns stores.
That 6" barrel is difficult to stuff down your pants, ain't it? :laugh:
Hurry up and post something else...this last one was number "666"!:eek:

[Zebra]

Just a thought/recommendation: If you have not noticed, it is almost impossible to buy ammo! For example, go to Walmart and see if you can find 9mm, 380, or 45cal ammo. chances are going to be the shelves are empty. I did managed to find a limited (4 boxes per customer) at Academy..........I am telling you it is very difficult to acquire ammo here in Houston.

BTW, you can buy weapons easily, but if you can't get the ammo.....! There is absolutely a sceme in action.
Maybe investments into ammunition companies, eh?

I am curious, anyone else seeing what we are see here??

[JTH]

Yes, it's nation wide and spotty in certian areas. The Obama scare hasn't died down. Ammo on Walmart shelfs is spotty at best. Pistol ammo is particulaly hard to come by, especially .380 which is made in smaller batches. I expect next year won't be as bad.

[Elgallo]

The Second Amendment, as currently written, guarantees us access to weapons unless we are a felon.

Ammo on the other hand................

[Viva La Migra]

The Second Amendment, as currently written, guarantees us access to weapons unless we are a felon.

Ammo on the other hand................
Ammo is part of the second amendment as well, since one cannot take up arms against a foe without the means with which to put the arms into action.

[BULLonPARADE]

For those of us that load our own ammunition primers and powder have all but dried up also. Primers were around $30 a thousand but have been selling on GunBroker.com for $80+.

[budnipper1]

Ammo is still scarcer than hens-teeth in my part of the world, but at least some of the local law makers are attempting to make gun laws less restrictive for law abiding gun owners. :)

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http://www.wsmv.com/politics/19110372/detail.html

[budnipper1]

Tennessee Senate approves guns in restaurants bill

NASHVILLE – The state Senate today approved the bill that would allow people with handgun-carry permits to take their guns into restaurants that serve alcoholic beverages as long as they are not drinking themselves.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/apr/16/tennessee-senate-approves-guns-restaurants-bill/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/apr/16/tennessee-senate-approves-guns-restaurants-bill/)

[CountryBoy]

Tennessee Senate approves guns in restaurants bill

NASHVILLE – The state Senate today approved the bill that would allow people with handgun-carry permits to take their guns into restaurants that serve alcoholic beverages as long as they are not drinking themselves.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/apr/16/tennessee-senate-approves-guns-restaurants-bill/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/apr/16/tennessee-senate-approves-guns-restaurants-bill/)

Hey Budnipper,

We haven't got that approval yet here in Ohio, but we're working on it. Since ammo is so scarce, I'm stopping off at Cabelas, on the way home, to see if I can load up on some, especially 9mm, which I'm a little low on.

Sidenote: 26 people in my class and all are against the way the country is going and this is a diverse crowd from all over the country. Interesting conversations during breaks and lunch. You would think with this diverse of a crowd, you'd have at least one lib/socialist, but all very conservative in beliefs and principles. All think we're headng down the Socialist road. Must be the clear air and state motto. :laugh:

Have a good one.

CB
Reporting from GIS Training, North of the Mason Dixon line, but from the Live Free or Die State, kinda apropro. :D

[budnipper1]

It's really sickening how some people are so trigger-happy to falsely label others as radicals, extremists or hot-headed revolutionists for merely exercising their constitutional rights to be armed, or for that matter, for organizing to express their disagreement with the government's plans to take away or restrict those rights. CB, it's good to hear that you found some people who still support and believe in the constitution and what it stands for. If the liberal media was our only source of information, you would have to conclude that such people no longer exist.

Ammo is still on the endangered species list here, especially for 380. My brother finally found some in-stock online this week from a manufacturer (Corbon), and ordered six boxes. Later, the same day, he called them back to order 4 more boxes (for his boss) and they checked the inventory and confirmed the order for 10 boxes. Then, they called him back and said they could only ship the original 6 boxes since that was all they actually had left. It's hard to believe that these ammo factories are not increasing production to meet the demand. Makes me a little suspicious, to say the least.

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[CountryBoy]

My daughter made friends with the lady clerk at one of the local Wal Marts the other day and the lady said she could'nt lay any ammo back for us, but she said she would call us when they got in another shipment. They tend to arrive early in the morning and is sold by 7am. Anyhoo, my daughter got a call at 5:45am this morning and she ran out and bought 2 cases of 9mm ammo, bless her heart. That ammo has be as scarce as hens teeth the past month. I even stopped at Cabelas last week on the way back from NH and they didn't have any 9mm or .380 ammo on their shelves.

CB

[CountryBoy]

Remember CANDIDATE bHo? The guy who "wasn't going to take away
our guns"?

Well, guess what?

Less than 100 days into his administration, he's never met a gun he didn't hate.

A week ago, after his "Apology for America Tour" in Europe and kowtowing to the Saudi Prince, Obama went to Mexico, whined about the United States again, and bemoaned (before the whole world) the fact that he didn't have the political power to take away our semi-automatics. Nevertheless, that
didn't keep him from pushing additional restrictions on American gun
owners.

It's called the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials. To be sure, this imponderable title masks a really nasty piece of work.

First of all, when the treaty purports to ban the "illicit" manufacture of firearms, what does that mean?

1. "Illicit manufacturing" of firearms is defined as "assembly of firearms [or] ammunition... without a license...."

Hence, reloading ammunition -- or putting together a lawful firearm from a kit -- is clearly "illicit manufacturing."

Modifying a firearm in any way would surely be "illicit manufacturing." And, while it would be a stretch, assembling a firearm after cleaning it
could, in any plain reading of the words, come within the screwy definition of "illicit manufacturing."

2. "Firearm" has a similarly questionable definition. "[A]ny other weapon" is a "firearm," according to the treaty -- and the
term "weapon" is nowhere defined.

So, is a BB gun a "firearm"? Probably. A toy gun? Possibly. :)

A pistol grip or firing pin? Probably. And who knows what else. If these provisions (and others) become the law of the land, the Obama
administration could have a heyday in enforcing them. Consider some of the other provisions in the treaty:

* Banning Reloading. In Article IV of the treaty, countries commit to adopting "necessary legislative or other measures" to criminalize illicit manufacturing and trafficking in firearms.

Remember that "illicit manufacturing" includes reloading and modifying or assembling a firearm in any way. This would mean that the Obama administration could promulgate regulations banning reloading on the basis of this treaty -- just as it is currently circumventing Congress to write legislation taxing greenhouse gases.

* Banning Gun Clubs. Article IV goes on to state that the criminalized acts should include "association or conspiracy" in connection with said offenses -- which is arguably a term broad enough to allow, by regulation, the criminalization of entire pro-gun organizations or gun clubs, based on the facilities which they provide their membership.

* Extraditing US Gun Dealers. Article V requires each party to "adopt such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the offenses it has established in accordance with this Convention" under a variety of circumstances.

We know that Mexico is blaming U.S. gun dealers for the fact that its streets are flowing with blood. And we know it is possible for Mexico to define ffenses "committed in its territory" in a very broad way. And we know that we have an extradition obligation under Article XIX of the proposed treaty. So we know that Mexico could try to use the treaty to demand to extradition of American gun dealers.

Under Article XXIX, if Mexico demands the extradition of a lawful American gun dealer, the U.S. would be required to resolve the dispute through "other means of peaceful settlement."

Does anyone want to risk twenty years in a sweltering Mexican jail on the proposition that the Obama administration would apply this provision in a pro-gun manner?

* Microstamping. Article VI requires "appropriate markings" on firearms. And, it is not inconceivable that this provision could be used to require microstamping of firearms and/or ammunition -- a requirement which is clearly intended to impose specifications which are not technologically possible or which are possible only at a prohibitively expensive cost.

* Gun Registration. Article XI requires the maintenance of any records, for a "reasonable time," that the government determines to be necessary to trace firearms. This provision would almost certainly repeal portions of McClure-Volkmer and could arguably be used to require a national registry or database.

ACTION: Write your Senators and urge them to oppose the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms,
Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials.

Yeah I know the treaty has not yet been abused in this way by the bevy of Third World countries which have signed it. I wouldn't expect the real ramifications of the treaty to become clear until the big prize -- the U.S. -- has stepped into the trap. That's the prize that the UN wants and bHo is determined to deliver.


Folks, for those of you that think bHo can't take away our Constitutional rights, well you're wrong and all gun haters ans socialist will love this. He'll take our rights away one by one by going thru the back door and putting sympathic judges on the various courts that support these socialist views.

This guy is a compulsive liar and the writing is plain as the nose on your face and one of these days, some folks that are asleep at the switch will wake up and wonder what happened :(

CB