Sarah Palin?

[tsptalk]

The rumor is that Sarah Palin of Alaska could be McCain's choice for VP. I thought he needed an economics guy like Romney, but a female NRA member could be a good strategy - or a big mistake. He is sure rolling the dice.

We'll either have an African Amercan as president, or a female VP. We've come a long way, baby!

[nnuut]

The rumor is that Sarah Palin of Alaska could be McCain's choice for VP. I thought he needed an economics guy like Romney, but a female NRA member could be a good strategy - or a big mistake. He is sure rolling the dice.

We'll either have an African Amercan as president, or a female VP. We've come a long way, baby!

Saw a video she put together explaining the ANWAR Oil drilling problem. She is a straight shooter, I like her, smart lady, pulls no punches. I think Romney should be the one, might be able to help with our economic problems.:worried:

[tsptalk]

I like what I'm hearing about her.

[JTH]

He is sure rolling the dice.

I must admit I'd be surprised if he pics her. Alaska isn't exactly an important state for electoral votes. I do like her though, she's pretty:D, from my home state, and she speaks her mind. Still, I don't think her credentials are up to par. :suspicious:

[luv2read]

surprise pick but a logical one...Condi Rice.

[tsptalk]

Condi Rice is too "Bush". The dems would pounce on that.

[luv2read]

More Bush than McCain? I think she would be a "draw card" for race and gender from the Obama ticket, especially the die-hard Hillary supporters who would rather vote GOP than vote Obama.

[sugarandspice]

A pandering pick for sure. And what will it get them. Women voters who are undecided?.....Independant voters who own guns? Straight-shooting tough-talking women have to tread very carefully. I dont see a landslide of new voters coming to the Republican side.

[JTH]

I understand the press will hammer this pick. However, I think they will underestimate her warm spunky personality and sharp wit. I believe she can win over many, once America gets a chance to know her. ;)

[luv2read]

I understand the press will hammer this pick. However, I think they will underestimate her warm spunky personality and sharp wit. I believe she can win over many, once America gets a chance to know her. ;)
Rice or Palin?

[2EASY]

Joe Biden is going to eat her alive in a debate. It's over. Mccain picked someone with less experience then Obama.

[JTH]

Rice or Palin?

Sry, I meant Sarah.

Rice is brilliant, but she has an extremely cold personality, I don't think she'd complement McCain.

[JTH]

Joe Biden is going to eat her alive in a debate. It's over. Mccain picked someone with less experience then Obama.

Less experience then Obama? I respectfully disagree. As for Biden eating her alive, that is definitely the predominant assumption, but I won't believe it till I see it. ;)

[James48843]

I just saw an interview she did on C-SPAN last spring.

I can't believe it.

THAT is who McCain picks to be a heart-beat away?


Well, that blows the republican's attack about lack of experience- right out of the water.

I just can't believe who he picks.

He just blew any chance that he had. It's gone. period.

[James48843]

Less experience then Obama? I respectfully disagree.. ;)


Try this:

Mayor of an Alaskan town of 8,000, two terms. City Council one term same town. Biggest issue during her term was roaming bears coming into town to eat garbage.

NO state legislative experience.

Appointed- not elected- to the Oil and Gas Oversite board in Alaska.

Won election as governor of the state with the smallest population in the U.S. less than two years ago.


I'll recap:

No state legislative experience.
No national legislative experience.
less than one-half of one term as Governor.

[luv2read]

Try this:

Mayor of an Alaskan town of 8,000, two terms. City Council one term same town. Biggest issue during her term was roaming bears coming into town to eat garbage.

NO state legislative experience.

Appointed- not elected- to the Oil and Gas Oversite board in Alaska.

Won election as governor of the state with the smallest population in the U.S. less than two years ago.


I'll recap:

No state legislative experience.
No national legislative experience.
less than one-half of one term as Governor."Cold" or not, Rice would have been a better pick for a "balanced" ticket. Oh well, Obama picked Biden, and that was a bad one too. He should have picked a seasoned southerner - like JFK did...as much as he and LBJ loathed each other they still saw the necessity.

[Frixxxx]

Try this:

Mayor of an Alaskan town of 8,000, two terms. City Council one term same town. Biggest issue during her term was roaming bears coming into town to eat garbage.

NO state legislative experience.

Appointed- not elected- to the Oil and Gas Oversite board in Alaska.

Won election as governor of the state with the smallest population in the U.S. less than two years ago.


I'll recap:

No state legislative experience.
No national legislative experience.
less than one-half of one term as Governor.

Maybe this is the type of "grass root" person we need.....The seasoned veterans haven't gotten us very far. Honestly, I would have preffered Romney. But then again, a mother of five, and a journalist/poli sci major is not a lawyer. Cool!:cool:

[James48843]

A bit about Palin:

"
Palin was a highschool (http://bittenandbound.com/2007/12/26/alaska-governor-sarah-palin-former-miss-alaska-contestant/#) standout basketball player. She played point guard and helped her team to win the State basketball championship in 1982. Two years later she won the title of Miss Wasilla, and went on to compete in the Miss Alaska pageant. She didn’t win the crown but did earn the Miss Congeniality title. She went on to earn a degree in journalism from the University of Idaho.

She served two terms on the Wasilla City Council and two terms as Mayor of Wasilla, the fastest growing city in Alaska. She made a bid for Lt. Governor in 2002 but lost that election. She has earned a reputation of being a bit of a maverick because of accusations she has made against some fellow Republicans for ethics issues.

Some members of the media used Palin’s attractiveness to spin their coverage of her run for governor. She was elected to office in November 2006. In July 2007, Sarah Palin was heralded by the national media as the most popular governor in the United States.

She eats moose burgers and rides snowmobiles and is a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. Most important of all, the residents of Alaska believe in her ability to lead. Palin has a bright future and is young enough to be able to set her sights as high as she likes. We’ll be watching this woman and will be anticipating even greater things in her future.




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Well, she eats moose burgers and rides snowmobiles. Played basketball, and was a former "Miss Wasilla".

What more could you ask for in a Vice Presidential candidate?

[James48843]

And her "journalism" career?

She previously did local sports for two TV stations in Anchorage.


Now there are some journalism credentials.

[JTH]

It will be interesting to see the Dems attack her for her lack of experience considering Obama's lack of credentials. :D

As a VP she will have more experience then Obama.

Son in the military, Pro Guns, Pro Life, Blue Collar husband, small town roots, Washington Outsider, ethics reformer. City Councel Member, Mayor, and Governer.

I think it was an excellent choice. McCain is shoring up his conservative base, increasing his odds of snagging the Clintonites.

[squalebear]

Palin just completed her speech. I must say, she certainly did well.
McCain can't hold a torch to her public speaking capabilities. But
McCain certainly knew what he was doing with this political decision.
Kudos to Palin for including Clinton in appreciation and turning the
message into a call to arms for female voters. I won't get wrapped
up with all the inexperience talk that is sure to dominate the media.
I WANT TO HEAR ISSUES,,,,SOLUTIONS,,,,AND SEE THE DEBATES.
after that, they can kiss all the babies they want !

[Frixxxx]

Palin just completed her speech. I must say, she certainly did well.
McCain can't hold a torch to her public speaking capabilities. But
McCain certainly knew what he was doing with this political decision.
Kudos to Palin for including Clinton in appreciation and turning the
message into a call to arms for female voters. I won't get wrapped
up with all the inexperience talk that is sure to dominate the media.
I WANT TO HEAR ISSUES,,,,SOLUTIONS,,,,AND SEE THE DEBATES.
after that, they can kiss all the babies they want !


Missed the speech, I know I will see it tonight on the news. I agree, I want to hear solutions to the issues. Final. :cool:

Note to James...I wasn't saying anything about a career in journalism, just her education credentials. I know it is not a normal VP resume, but it shows a freshness we haven't seen before.

[Stoplight]

Let’s see....

Both tickets have a "youngster"/inexperienced candidate

Both tickets have a "Washington insider" who has been around DC politics a long time, disgusting the "throw the bums out" guys

Both tickets have an "unusual" (even ground-breaking) candidate (woman/black)

Gee....maybe people will actually have to focus on the "issues" and decide where their personal values lie, rather than rely on the political machine and/or the media.

I think Palin sounded good today....I finally feel the stirrings of some actual interest in this election season !

Stoplight...

[James48843]

What a WEIRD election cycle.

No?

[luv2read]

Well, she eats moose burgers and rides snowmobiles. Played basketball, and was a former "Miss Wasilla".

What more could you ask for in a Vice Presidential candidate?

I think she's better qualified than W was when he was "convinced" to make a run for the presidency...remember he didn't want it...at least that was the big spin.

And maybe she's the GOP version of Pelosi...just younger.

[Steadygain]

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BEAUTIFUL!!!

Thanks James. She reminds me of "my Sarah".

Oh my gosh - at a glance "She's got the right wiring"

[JTH]

I have to admit, there is nothing hotter then a smart chick!
The glasses give her that hot librarian look :cheesy:

[2EASY]

I hear she hunts....hopefully better than Cheney:D

[XL-entLady]

Well, she eats moose burgers and rides snowmobiles. Played basketball, and was a former "Miss Wasilla".

Hey, moose burgers are high-protein, low-fat, and taste good! And as a former wearer of a sash and tiara myself, I would posit that one can be a former Miss _____ and still have an IQ larger than one's shoe size. :laugh::laugh:

Okay, so I was hoping McCain would choose Romney because of his economic expertise. But this choice works for me, I suppose. I'm still voting for Obama, but if McCain wins it won't make me wish for a seppuku sword now. ;)

Lady

[Birchtree]

Sarah Palin actually has more executive experience than Nobama. If I were Joe Biden I'd tread very carefully during the debates - this one won't cry. But I did see a lot of cry babies last night. Today it looked like every kid old enough to vote from Dayton was in attendance for the rally - probably had more people there than were in attendance last night. I'm fond of saying there aren't enough college professors, blacks, gays, pedos, or transvestites in this country to put Nobama over the top.

[CountryBoy]

Sarah Palin actually has more executive experience than Nobama. If I were Joe Biden I'd tread very carefully during the debates - this one won't cry. But I did see a lot of cry babies last night. Today it looked like every kid old enough to vote from Dayton was in attendance for the rally - probably had more people there than were in attendance last night. I'm fond of saying there aren't enough college professors, blacks, gays, pedos, or transvestites in this country to put Nobama over the top.

Don't forget socialist in your list, but they could easily be lumped in with the college professors. Shoot she's worth a 5 point bump on looks alone :nuts: and her resume is much better than Osama's, she actually had a job and turned down pork barrel money. :D

Ya'll have a good 3 day weekend,
Cb

[ChemEng]

Let me get this straight--when this presidential campaign season was getting started in Fall 06, she was a mayor of a town of 8,000 people?

[Silverbird]

This is a ceremonial VP. A woman with 5 kids in a Drill Oil State. McCain has made his views obvious through this selection. Style, there, depends if the style goes over well. Substance, remains to be seen. I'm leery now with people below refering to her looks as being something to care about. Are we going to start on the cookie recipies again?:toung:

[CountryBoy]

Let me get this straight--when this presidential campaign season was getting started in Fall 06, she was a mayor of a town of 8,000 people?

Very True Chem Eng,

But I'll take a person who's been governor for 2 years, than someone who has only spent 142 days actually sitting in the chamber playing at Senator, he's been running for president almost from the beginning and yeah she doesn't have a big fat resume that you'd want in a president, but it'll do for a VP. :) And I'd take a governor of a state over a first term junior senator anytime, but we all have different values when selecting a leader so each his own.

Have a good one and congrats on the PE,

CB

[Callme_CO]

my view is that our country has been running on fumes with the experienced politicians. I think maybe she can ruffle some feathers. Light a spark under McCain's ass. I like McCain. I respect McCain. But i've yet to see the man truely get excited about anything. If was am to vote this year it will be McCain. I just wish he got excited from time to time.

[JTH]

I'm leery now with people below refering to her looks as being something to care about. Are we going to start on the cookie recipies again?:toung:

Hey now I never said I cared about her looks, I just said I thought she was hot... :cheesy:

I hope you don't think I'd cast a vote for Paris Hilton? :D

[James48843]

Some more info about Palin:

This interview, with Alaska Business Monthly in 2007. Now, this was at the time that "the surge" was about to begin, and her son enlisted in the military.

You would think that as Commander in Chief of her state's National Guard forces, and especially also as a military mother, she would be "up to speed" in following events in Iraq, no?

"Palin: I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


A reader has found some evidence (http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-6482074/Gov-Sarah-Palin-speaks-out.html) that she has thought about foreign policy at some point in her 44 years. Drum roll, please: Alaska Business Monthly: We've lost a lot of Alaska's military members to the war in Iraq. How do you feel about sending more troops into battle, as President Bush is suggesting?


Palin: I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place; I want assurances that we are doing all we can to keep our troops safe. Every life lost is such a tragedy. I am very, very proud of the troops we have in Alaska, those fighting overseas for our freedoms, and the families here who are making so many sacrifices.
She heard about the surge, McCain's campaign centerpiece, on the news. I wonder- Does she still favor an exit plan?

[clester]

People are tired of the same old "experienced" politician. I know I am.

[James48843]

Investigation to begin into whether
Governor Sarah Palin abused her power in firing Public Safety
Commissioner Walt Monegan



By Corey Allen-Young, CBS 11 News Reporter

Article Last Updated: 07/28/2008 06:49:51 PM AKDT

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Lawmakers will hire someone within a week to investigate whether Governor Sarah Palin abused her power in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. The legislative council approved 100,000 dollars for the investigation that will find out whether Palin was angry at Monegan for not firing an Alaska State Trooper who went through a messy divorce with Palin's sister.

On Monday afternoon, the Joint Legislative Council, filled with Republicans and Democrats, voted 12 to 0 to formally call for an investigation against Governor Palin in a mannerthat they are stressingwill be unbiased and done in a timely fashion.


Legislators approved hiring a special investigator to look into the controversial firing of former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.

Monegan was fired two weeks ago without explanation and has said he was pressured by the governor and her staff to fire a trooper who was once married to Palin's sister.

Accusations have risen that Monegan was fired for his refusal to fire trooper Michael Wooten. The council's intent is to investigate the circumstances and events surrounding the termination of Monegan and potential abuses of power and improper action by the Governor and her administration.


"It is the intent of the legislative council that the investigation be professional, unbiased, independent, objective, and conducted at arms length from the political process," said, Senator Kim Elton, a Democrat from Juneau.


The council's intent is to investigate the circumstances and events surrounding the termination of Monegan and potential abuses of power and improper action by the governor and her administration.


"I think what it really gets down to is after the comma, add potential abuses of power and improper actions is really what we are looking at or at least proposing to look at?" said Representative John Harris, a Republican from Valdez.


Governor Palin has denied the accusations, saying she replaced Monegan
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to go in a new direction. And although she doesn't think an investigation is needed, she welcomes the questions.

The council went through a detailed meeting to make sure the process is done in a timely manner with accurate results.


"We will get from this is," said Senator Hollis French, a Democrat from Anchorage, "no evidence of wrong doing, some evidence of wrong doing, clear evidence of wrong doing, that will come back to us."


"At that point the body has to make the decision: 'Is this evidence strong enough to proceed on or not?'"


"I think it should be made very clear because there have been conversations about personnel matters that the issues really that we are dealing with here are not the termination of the public
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safety commissioner," said Harris.

Legislators hope that during this investigation that the politics are left out of the mix, which can be hard for government officials.


"What really remains is the most significant hurdle," said Representative Jay Ramras, a Republican from Fairbanks. "Are those professionals going to feel compelled to be subpoenaed before they will speak candidly about what they know?"


Senator French is the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman and is in charge of hiring the investigator. He says he has a short list of candidates and that the investigation should be finished within a few months.
To contact Corey, call 907-273-3186.
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[Show-me]

Oh please! I have been off the grid since I got out of school yesterday afternoon. Gov. Palin is as qualified as any Chicago born and breed politician except there is no cloak of illegal activity or undesirable connections.

You want change, well here it is. You want to beat her up because of her experience level, then all you are doing is making a great argument for electing McCain instead of Obama.

IMO, she is what this Country needs. Some one fresh, smart, family orientated, not afraid to cut the budget, and not connected to Chicago politics.

[luv2read]

you want change, well here it is. You want to beat her up because of her experience level, then all you are doing is making a great argument for electing mccain instead of obama.

Imo, she is what this country needs. Some one fresh, smart, family orientated, not afraid to cut the budget, and not connected to chicago politics.
and a woman. :D

[Show-me]

She's a woman? That's not a qualifier. lol It is a good strategy. I will say that anyone that can have 5 kids and still look that fresh. Damn, what a woman!

[Steadygain]

James48843,
You would have to know the immense respect I have for you (at least I hope you do). But you are sounding just like Birch, and it's not reflecting well on you. Now of course Birch is someone I honestly love and admire in many ways; in the most central way of money management he has my highest respect and admiration.

But when any of us become so convinced that a Dem, a Black, a Woman, someone too willing to associate with McCain or a Minister...or whatever has "Closed our minds - and forced us into a rigid belief that prevents us from seeing the real possibilities" then our message will always be based on deeply grounded prejudism and resentment.

Despite the whole picture which I admire and respect - and I honestly would never try to change him, because I like the way he is. But to those who truly believe, "I am a born again Repubician..." I would not let up on them - not because I want to antagonize them or create deeper tensions - but because they would be a 1,000 times better off with a more open view and accepting others as they are and having a willingness to see the positive traits - regardless.

Sarah's comments from my perspective reflect a genuinely authentic heart and life - a real person with a Mother's Heart and very much reflecting a woman; so amazingly what you see as "bad" I see as beautiful. She does not sound at all like your typical politician - but she sounds genuine - and that's what I crave for.

Obama has largely stollen my heart for the very same reason. He is the first person ever that I can think of that openly declares "Washington and Politics" are totally screwed up. He is the only one that honestly seems prepared to make a difference and goes on with the convictions that he will do his best to change the garbage and make Washington and Politics something worthwhile. He's not afraid to highlight the huge and real problems.

So if I vote for Obama it is not because he's black or a Dem. If McCain wins I can only hope that Sarah will have a chance to have an influence on him and the decisions he makes. I see her in a similar light as Obama - someone fresh and new who lives from the heart.

At this point all of us need to accept Sarah for who she is and if it comes to pass that she is the first "Woman Vice President" then that's something everyone of us should be willing to embrace.

[James48843]

Steady- never fear. I enjoy debate.


I for one don't want another politician who uses the power of their office to illegal take personnel actions against people. "The vice-president's office is on the phone" is more than just a campaign slogan to me. I have seen the wrath of political influence adversely affecting otherwise honorable government service to the people of the United States first-hard. Personal use of official position for the purpose of vengeance is illegal in the federal service for a reason. We got away from that-- the political spoils system- in the 1800's for a reason. I don't know if personal use of official position for the purpose of personal vengeance is illegal under Alaska state law. It ought to be.

Did Sarah do that? I don't know.

But I certainly think it is fair game to place the information of Palin's story out there, so that people can be aware of it. Voters deserve to know the whole story. If a civil servant in Alaska was fired, because he refused to fire an Alaskan state trooper that was previously married to the governors sister- well, let's just say the public deserves to know the real story. Truth will set you free.

And on the subject of Iraq, perhaps the single most important topic of this election by a great number of voters- (not all , but certainly a great number), this candidate, whom one would expect- especially since she is the mother of a person service, admits "I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."

She hasn't focused on it? And she wants to be the person who sits one 73-year old heartbeat away from the red button which could end mankind as we know it?

Sorry, I don't see her as a particularly well qualified candidate for the job.


If the main republican qualification is knowing how to use official power to destroy otherwise good people, then I guess she might fit the bill. They seem to do that a lot.

I was always raised that we try and help one another, not destroy one another.

[XL-entLady]

....she wants to be the person who sits one 73-year old heartbeat away from the red button which could end mankind as we know it? Sorry, I don't see her as a particularly well qualified candidate for the job.
I've been doing more thinking about Palin's nomination myself, and heavily weighing the fact that, if elected, she would be one person away from the most powerful and complex job on the planet. And then McCain's age becomes a serious factor.

The majority of comments I hear people making are referring to her looks rather than her capabilities. At some point people are going to start thinking about what she might do in the Oval Office rather than what she might be like in the Lincoln Bedroom. And when that time comes, they may start to ask, "Is Palin really the most qualified Republican that McCain could have picked to be his running mate???" Hmm-m-m-m ... maybe not .... :blink:

Lady

[XL-entLady]

You want change, well here it is. You want to beat her up because of her experience level, then all you are doing is making a great argument for electing McCain instead of Obama.

IMO, she is what this Country needs. Some one fresh, smart, family orientated, not afraid to cut the budget, and not connected to Chicago politics.
I hope you are right, Show-me, because right now it appears 50-50 and pick'em that we might find out!

I would like to gently suggest, however, that I've been able to study Obama's positions on the issues and I think he has proven himself over a very long primary vetting period. Palin was apparently picked after one 20-minute vetting period with McCain. I pray he was looking at her stance on the issues rather than gazing at her other attributes! :worried:

Lady

[Show-me]

Is it really about the person that holds the job or is it about the people that you surround yourself with.

[XL-entLady]

Is it really about the person that holds the job or is it about the people that you surround yourself with.
Great point! I found to my sorrow that I was not impressed with the people who surrounded Bush. If Palin has the good sense to surround herself with great people then she'll probably do an excellent job.

Didn't mean to sound so grumpy earlier. :embarrest: As is probably evident by now, the meds aren't quite holding their own with the pain level today .... :o

Lady

[JTH]

I enjoy debate.

I must admit I'm a bit perplexed by what seems to be your obvious bias against Palin?

I haven't noticed you slamming Biden, but perhaps I missed it some time ago. I'd bet you could find more dirt on him then you could on her. The press almost completely ignored his somewhat racist comments on Indians and Blacks. And let us not forget his first run for the presidency where he was busted for his plagiarizing (thats steeling) of others words during his speeches.

And yes, many people will say she's just a pretty face. Whoopee whoopee doo... My bias for her is based on her Alaskan spirit. I'm from Alaska too, and I can tell you we are an independent minded state full of tough people who know how to get things done without help from the lower 48 states.

Palin has many of the qualities that the old McCain used to have. I miss the old McCain. I was much more impressed with McCain the first time he ran against Bush. This latest version seems somewhat neutered. :suspicious:

[luv2read]

I've been doing more thinking about Palin's nomination myself, and heavily weighing the fact that, if elected, she would be one person away from the most powerful and complex job on the planet. And then McCain's age becomes a serious factor.

The majority of comments I hear people making are referring to her looks rather than her capabilities. At some point people are going to start thinking about what she might do in the Oval Office rather than what she might be like in the Lincoln Bedroom. And when that time comes, they may start to ask, "Is Palin really the most qualified Republican that McCain could have picked to be his running mate???" Hmm-m-m-m ... maybe not .... :blink:

Lady
She's a woman? That's not a qualifier. lol It is a good strategy. I will say that anyone that can have 5 kids and still look that fresh. Damn, what a woman!

It seems to be the ONLY qualification the testosterone-laden segment of the GOP is interested in...and they are willing to vote for her "attributes.":mad:

[JTH]

It seems to be the ONLY qualification the testosterone-laden segment of the GOP is interested in...and they are willing to vote for her "attributes.":mad:

And how many women have we seen gush over Obama? He even has his own music videos. :suspicious:

How many times did the press show him with his shirt off?

It's a two-way street :toung:

[luv2read]

And how many women have we seen gush over Obama? He even has his own music videos. :suspicious:

How many times did the press show him with his shirt off?

It's a two-way street :toung:
I haven't heard a single comment on this MB (or anywhere else for that matter) from a woman saying she was voting for him because of his looks. Because of his race, yes, but not because of his looks.

JTH...I was actually trying to drum home the fact there's more to her than a pretty face, etc....:blink:

[JTH]

JTH...I was actually trying to drum home the fact there's more to her than a pretty face, etc....:blink:

Well I certianly agree with you on that point. But hey we know many message boards are dominated by men, and our brains are wired differently then women.

I personally think Palin has much to offer to both men and women. A stong, smart intelligent pro-life women whose managed to balance work with 5 children. Shes pro 2nd Ammendant, hunts, and can more then manage her own with the men. This is really going to fire up the conservative base.

But for the moment, I'm happy we have an election worth watching. I'm hoping Palin will put back some maverick spunk into McCain and remind him who he was 10 years ago.

But none of this really matters to me anyways. I'm a resident of Texas, McCain will win this state regardless of my vote. Maybe one day I'll live in a swing state where I could make a difference.

[James48843]

2 Top Alaska Newspapers Question Palin's Fitness (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/2-top-alaska-newspapers-q_b_122625.html)

12:04 PM (EST)S

Since yesterday's shocking arrival of Gov. Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate there has been the usual cable news and print blathering about the pick from those who know little about her. But what about the journalists close to home -- in Alaska -- who know her best and have followed her career for years?





For the past 24 hours, the pages and web sites of the two leading papers up there have raised all sorts of issues surrounding Palin, from her ethics problems to general lack of readiness for this big step up. Right now the top story on the Anchorage Daily News web site looks at new info in what it calls "troopergate" and opens: "Alaska's former commissioner of public safety says Gov. Sarah Palin, John McCain's pick to be vice president, personally talked him on two occasions about a state trooper who was locked in a bitter custody battle with the governor's sister.


"In a phone conversation Friday night, Walt Monegan, who was Alaska's top cop until Palin fired him July 11, told the Daily News that the governor also had e-mailed him two or three times about her ex-brother-in-law, Trooper Mike Wooten, though the e-mails didn't mention Wooten by name. Monegan claims his refusal to fire Wooten was a major reason that Palin dismissed him. Wooten had been suspended for five days previously, based largely on complaints that Palin's family had initiated before Palin was governor."


A reporter for the Anchorage daily, Gregg Erickson, even did an online chat with the Washington Post, in which he revealed that Palin's approval rating in the state was not the much-touted 80%, but 65% and sinking -- and that among journalists who followed her it might be in the "teens." He added: "I have a hard time seeing how her qualifications stack up against the duties and responsibilities of being president.... I expect her to stick with simple truths. When asked about continued American troop presence in Iraq, she said she knows only one thing about that (I paraphrase): no one has attacked the American homeland since George Bush took the war to Iraq."


His paper found a number of leading Republican officeholders in the state who mocked Palin's qualifications. "She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president?" said Lyda Green, the president of the State Senate, a Republican from Palin's hometown of Wasilla. "Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?"


Another top Republican, John Harris, the speaker of the House, when asked about her qualifications for Veep, replied with this: "She's old enough. She's a U.S. citizen."




Here are excerpts from the editorials in the two leading papers.
From the Daily News-Miner in Fairbanks:
Sen. John McCain's selection of Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate was a stunning decision that should make Alaskans proud, even while we wonder about the actual merits of the choice.... Alaskans and Americans must ask, though, whether she should become vice president and, more importantly, be placed first in line to become president.

In fact, as the governor herself acknowledged in her acceptance speech, she never set out to be involved in public affairs. She has never publicly demonstrated the kind of interest, much less expertise, in federal issues and foreign affairs that should mark a candidate for the second-highest office in the land. Republicans rightfully have criticized the Democratic nominee, Sen. Barack Obama, for his lack of experience, but Palin is a neophyte in comparison; how will Republicans reconcile the criticism of Obama with the obligatory cheering for Palin?


Most people would acknowledge that, regardless of her charm and good intentions, Palin is not ready for the top job. McCain seems to have put his political interests ahead of the nation's when he created the possibility that she might fill it.
And from the Anchorage Daily News:
It's stunning that someone with so little national and international experience might be heartbeat away from the presidency.

Gov. Palin is a classic Alaska story. She is an example of the opportunity our state offers to those with talent, initiative and determination...


McCain picked Palin despite a recent blemish on her ethically pure resume. While she was governor, members of her family and staff tried to get her ex-brother-in-law fired from the Alaska State Troopers. Her public safety commissioner would not do so; she forced him out, supposedly for other reasons.



While she runs for vice-president, the Legislature has an investigator on the case.


For all those advantages, Palin joins the ticket with one huge weakness: She's a total beginner on national and international issues.


Gov. Palin will have to spend the next two months convincing Americans that she's ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency....




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[Steadygain]

I've been doing more thinking about Palin's nomination myself, and heavily weighing the fact that, if elected, she would be one person away from the most powerful and complex job on the planet. And then McCain's age becomes a serious factor.


That's what everything should boil down to - to everyone voting.

I don't know anything about Sarah - other than the extremely brief recent clips on TV. And probably the most striking event was seeing her picture on this thread and how much I saw the resemblence between her and my own daughter Sarah.

Sorry James - I thought you were doing a "Birchtree act" but now I see what you're really doing: Challenging us to determine if she is really qualified to be the "Commander in Chief" in a giant Political, Beurocartic, and Federal System that will likely rip her to shreds and leave her bewiltered with the reality of how things truely operate.

I would not want her to be forced into that position, and I hope that never happens. She was not picked because of having a strong political background and because McCain remotely thought "In the event of my death, she'd be the perfect replacement". She was picked because she's 'A WOMAN, YOUNG, PRETTY, - representing something fresh and new'.

It's plain and simple McCain and the real power and players behind him have made their decision. They want votes - they know the key is offering a similar "projection of Obama" - young, cleaver, new and promising. They also know a lot of women will flood to the booths to make it happen.

Friends - many will vote for one or the other mainly because they would never vote for the other party - to me that is stupid and based on ignorance; If anyone votes for McCain simply because a fresh young woman is the VP - that is equally stupid.

But my views are probably equally stupid to many of you.

Ladies of the MB - relax - we may be "men" but give us a break; as men we're simply pointing out she is beautiful - as least the picture on this thread is. But when it comes to being in charge of the United States of America and all the responsibilities that go with it "THE PICTURE" counts against her.

If McCain does win; I would bet she fades in the background. She is mainly a means to get him elected and nothing more.

[James48843]

She was not picked because of having a strong political background and because McCain remotely thought "In the event of my death, she'd be the perfect replacement".

That- in and of itself, should be, in my humble opinion, THE only criteria on which to select the Vice-Presidential candidate in any election, by any party.

In the event of a President's death, or other inability to conduct office, the Vice President MUST be ready to step in and take over. The Constitution provides only only two duties for the Vice President- to preside over the Senate and break tie votes, and...be prepared to step in to the shoes of the President, should the President not be able to perform their duties.

In any other election, that in and of itself should be sufficient to garner close examination of who the VP pick is.

In this election, you have a Nominee who will be 73 years old upon taking office, and who is a two-time cancer survivor already. In circumstances like that- you HAVE to seriously consider the odds of the 73 year old guy making it 4 more years in good health, or, as an alternative, who has he chosen to take over in the event he can't do the job.


Period.

All other considerations- (sex, part of the country, which part of his party will they play to, etc) are ALL secondary considerations to the primary consideration.

At least one would think that they should be.

Who does McCain think is THE most qualified person in the entire nation to carry out the duties of the office of the President, in the event he can't serve? (Which, in this case, is higher likelihood (based on age and past medical problems) of a higher risk that any previous candidate from any party)

Well, now we know.

Yes, it's going to be an interesting election.

[James48843]

It's plain and simple McCain and the real power and players behind him have made their decision. They want votes

And that's the problem.

Is it a case of putting party and maintaining power ahead of what's good the nation? The voters will have to decide that.

It has been said that Power corrupts, and
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I believe that this pick shows that to those in power, maintaining that power is more important than what is good for the country.

Given the choice of maintaining power, or helping for the good of others- my choice is clear.

Register.

Vote.

Be a citizen.

Period.

It's our democracy that is at stake.

[Braveheart]

Bottom Line OBAMA has no qualifications and he is an election away from being President.

The man is a walking scandel and all he can do is give a good speech. Actions speak louder than words and he choose Rev. Wright and Resco. What we don't know about Obama is who he really is.

Sarah Palin has more class and qualifications than Obama on his best day. I would vote for McCain/Palin over Obama and day.

Anyone sick of hearing about a guy that had a free ride to Harvard and his bitter wife. How many College students owe money on loans please the story is old and what in his story makes him qualified.

Obama made his choice long ago and sat in a racist church yet did not speak up but when his political career was on the line he then found Wright wrong. Michelle Obama at the DNC when Hillary Clinton gave her speech had that mean look on her ugly mug and she did the same to Bill Clinton.

At least we know more about who Sarah Palin is in 1 day than we do about Obama. Is she qualified YES since she is going to be VP while Obama is trying to be President. The biggest joke of all is for spite Obama wanted to punish Hillary:D so he choose Biden and that left the door wide open for McCain to pick Palin and that choice by Obama cost him the election. We will all see November 4, 2008 and Sarah Palin will be our next VP on the McCain ticket.

In 24 hours McCain has already received 7 million dollars what does that tell you. McCain's got my vote because there is no way in hell I will follow the cult.:nuts:

[CountryBoy]

Bottom Line OBAMA has no qualifications and he is an election away from being President.

The man is a walking scandel and all he can do is give a good speech. Actions speak louder than words and he choose Rev. Wright and Resco. What we don't know about Obama is who he really is.

Sarah Palin has more class and qualifications than Obama on his best day. I would vote for McCain/Palin over Obama and day.

Anyone sick of hearing about a guy that had a free ride to Harvard and his bitter wife. How many College students owe money on loans please the story is old and what in his story makes him qualified.

Obama made his choice long ago and sat in a racist church yet did not speak up but when his political career was on the line he then found Wright wrong. Michelle Obama at the DNC when Hillary Clinton gave her speech had that mean look on her ugly mug and she did the same to Bill Clinton.

At least we know more about who Sarah Palin is in 1 day than we do about Obama. Is she qualified YES since she is going to be VP while Obama is trying to be President. The biggest joke of all is for spite Obama wanted to punish Hillary:D so he choose Biden and that left the door wide open for McCain to pick Palin and that choice by Obama cost him the election. We will all see November 4, 2008 and Sarah Palin will be our next VP on the McCain ticket.

In 24 hours McCain has already received 7 million dollars what does that tell you. McCain's got my vote because there is no way in hell I will follow the cult.:nuts:

Not to mention his frienship with the unrepentant terrorists from the Weatherman Underground , co-dounder William Ayers, and Bernadine Dohrn. You are would your friends are and if you plead ignorance of there terroist actions, then you sure as heck shoudln't be our Prez, if you can have the wool pulled over your eyes so easy. Just look who he is sourrounding himself with and actions, all angry bitter people who hate or are ashamed of America or at the very least who want change thru hate and violence, I guess this is what he means about hope and change.

We all have blemishes, it's just what blemishes you can overlook or maybe you agree with, but for me actions speak much louder than words and the curtain is finally being pulled back to reveal the anger and bitterness that may be sitting in the White House. :(

CB

[Show-me]

Bottom Line OBAMA has no qualifications and he is an election away from being President.

The man is a walking scandel and all he can do is give a good speech. Actions speak louder than words and he choose Rev. Wright and Resco. What we don't know about Obama is who he really is.

Sarah Palin has more class and qualifications than Obama on his best day. I would vote for McCain/Palin over Obama and day.

Anyone sick of hearing about a guy that had a free ride to Harvard and his bitter wife. How many College students owe money on loans please the story is old and what in his story makes him qualified.

Obama made his choice long ago and sat in a racist church yet did not speak up but when his political career was on the line he then found Wright wrong. Michelle Obama at the DNC when Hillary Clinton gave her speech had that mean look on her ugly mug and she did the same to Bill Clinton.

At least we know more about who Sarah Palin is in 1 day than we do about Obama. Is she qualified YES since she is going to be VP while Obama is trying to be President. The biggest joke of all is for spite Obama wanted to punish Hillary:D so he choose Biden and that left the door wide open for McCain to pick Palin and that choice by Obama cost him the election. We will all see November 4, 2008 and Sarah Palin will be our next VP on the McCain ticket.

In 24 hours McCain has already received 7 million dollars what does that tell you. McCain's got my vote because there is no way in hell I will follow the cult.:nuts:

Not to mention his frienship with the unrepentant terrorists from the Weatherman Underground , co-dounder William Ayers, and Bernadine Dohrn. You are would your friends are and if you plead ignorance of there terroist actions, then you sure as heck shoudln't be our Prez, if you can have the wool pulled over your eyes so easy. Just look who he is sourrounding himself with and actions, all angry bitter people who hate or are ashamed of America or at the very least who want change thru hate and violence, I guess this is what he means about hope and change.

We all have blemishes, it's just what blemishes you can overlook or maybe you agree with, but for me actions speak much louder than words and the curtain is finally being pulled back to reveal the anger and bitterness that may be sitting in the White House. :(

CB

LOL But none of those things count because he is black, charming, charismatic, a good orator, friends with Chicago's own Oprah, loved by Hollywood, and the media, and we want to do anything to stick it to the Republicans by electing this person even though he is not then right person for the job just to get even with the Bushies.;)

And, Obama picking Biden was not for "votes". LOL He picked Biden because Obama himself has NO experience and he don't trust the double team of Hillary and Bill for VP. He needed experience and foreign relations votes. Get real!

And, who do you think Obama will "surround" himself with if he gets into office? All of his Chicago buddies! The biggest crooks in the country!

Ron Paul for President!

[SkyPilot]

The issue regarding Obama's credentials has already been made and is now defining.

Any attack against Palin only points up the identity that is already defined for Obama.

It is a circular discussion that end up showing Obama's inexperience, and then compared to McCain's.

The real value of Palin is to raise the issue of experience and leadership, not ultimately hers, but every discussion leads back to Obama's deficit.

And, there will be those attracted to Palin for a variety of reasons. Biden has little to offer and will likely attract no one to the ticket that wasn't already pro Obama to begin with.

[Show-me]

The issue regarding Obama's credentials has already been made and is now defining.

Any attack against Palin only points up the identity that is already defined for Obama.

It is a circular discussion that end up showing Obama's inexperience, and then compared to McCain's.

The real value of Palin is to raise the issue of experience and leadership, not ultimately hers, but every discussion leads back to Obama's deficit.

And, there will be those attracted to Palin for a variety of reasons. Biden has little to offer and will likely attract no one to the ticket that wasn't already pro Obama to begin with.

BINGO! Well said.;)

[SkyPilot]

In the event of a President's death, or other inability to conduct office, the Vice President MUST be ready to step in and take over. The Constitution provides only only two duties for the Vice President- to preside over the Senate and break tie votes, and...be prepared to step in to the shoes of the President, should the President not be able to perform their duties.



However, in the event of an election, Obama is unprepared to step into the shoes of the President, and unable to perform these duties. In that Palin is more qualified than Obama in terms of experience, why would anyone make this argument?

What executive leadership experience does Biden have? Or for that matter, even McCain? Or Carter? Seems that Palin had much of the same kind of exec experience that Bill Clinton had...

[SkyPilot]

Actually, the more I think about it, this is a complicated problem for Obama. The more the RNC raises the issue about Obama's experience, the more the DNC speaks about Palin, which in turn creates more opportunity for the RNC to speak about Obama...

The RNC is going to speak about Obama's deficit at every opportunity, which will in turn generate more ops to speak about Obama's inexperience.

A possible strategic stroke of genius for the McCain camp...

Team Obama cannot dissipate the experience discussion in any way...

[Braveheart]

Actually, the more I think about it, this is a complicated problem for Obama. The more the RNC raises the issue about Obama's experience, the more the DNC speaks about Palin, which in turn creates more opportunity for the RNC to speak about Obama...

The RNC is going to speak about Obama's deficit at every opportunity, which will in turn generate more ops to speak about Obama's inexperience.

A possible strategic stroke of genius for the McCain camp...

Team Obama cannot dissipate the experience discussion in any way...

100% correct and many thought McCain was some old has been but in this game he just landed a right hook that hit Obama and the DNC in the jaw. :laugh:They are now on the ropes and in spite of how bad Bush ran this country neither Senator Kerry could win and I predict Obama will lose huge. McCain may even take many blue states.

You can here the wisper we should have selected Hillary. LMAO all that money with Hollywood and MSNBC etc. but he can't bye votes. I can't wait to see Chris Mathews and Keith Olberman crying on the set.:D

[nnuut]

I am in agreement with you guys, I think a Democratic win would TANK the economy. Don't fall for the HYPE!! Listen closely to what they are saying or more importantly NOT SAYING! When I listen to OBAMA speak a FLIGHT or FIGHT response hits me hard, I don't buy it, I'm out of there! NO NO NOT ME! 4564 "think Hatch Act"

[SkyPilot]

Look for RNC shills covertly pushing this debate, maybe even raising the issue of Palin's experience providing an excuse to talk about Obama's inexperience.

The more experience is discussed, the more damaging it is to Obama, and the more the Dems speak about Palin, the more it will look like a sexist attack...

The talk radio folks will raise the issues of attacks on Palin (even if they have to be contrived) to give them an excuse to talk about Obama...

Also, there will be more said about the Obama campaign's initial reaction to Palin's selection and the fact that she was a mayor of a small town.

The percieved elitist attitude of the Obama campaign was just reinforced by the Obama Chicago team, (She's been a mayor of a small town of 9000) and this reaction will be replayed again and again for the small, rural guns and church crowd... "What's Obama got against small town rural, gun totin' church goin' hockey playin', red blooded Americans? At least she's been a mayor, and a Govenor"...

Ouch!

[rokid]

Three points:

1. True Republicans think Sarah Palin is great regardless of her lack of qualifications. I'm not saying she's isn't wonderful, can't learn, and isn't hot. However, her resume provides no indication she can do the job - I've got more executive experience than she does (20 years vs. 18 months) and I'm certainly NOT qualified. I will be interested in her answers to the usual beauty contest "world peace" questions.:laugh:

2. Fairfax County Virginia's county executive, Anthony H. Griffin (yes, I had to Google him) has responsibility for almost twice as many people as Sarah Palin (+1 million vs. +600K). However, nobody is suggesting he should be Veep for either party. Maybe, it's because he's a man. Maybe, it's because he doesn't eat moose burgers.

3. The Republicans better get down on their knees and pray Chertoff doesn't screw up New Orleans.

---Jim

[tsptalk]

The Dems are finding everything wrong with Palin, and the Reps, all the good. I have no doubt that if Palin had a "D" next to her name the arguments would be exactly the same, we'd just be switching the authors. :)

What counts is the candidate's political philosophy and how much they stand behind it. Palin seems to have a solid foundation in her beliefs, convictions, and morality (on the right), and her lack of experience will not be a factor, as long as her decisions are based on that foundation.

And the same goes for Obama. As inexperienced as he is, he seems to know what he wants to do and has his basic philosophy (left). Those of us who agree with Palin's philosophy, will back her party, and those who agree with Obama's will back his party. Unfortunately McCain is somewhere in the middle and it's tough to fully get on his bandwagon.

I'd like to hear from the undecided. As I said, we know how us partisan folks feel. What does the average undecided Joe think of the 4 candidates?

[SkyPilot]

Democrats seem to think Obama is great, regardless of his lack of qualifications... there is nothing in Obama's resume that suggests he is able to do the job, yet he is the Democratic nominee for president (less than 150 days of senate experience, and most of that time running for president.

And Obama presents with less qualifications and executive experience than the Republican VP candidate, Sarah Palin.




See what I mean? There seems to be no argument raised relating to experience that isn't difficult for the Obama campaign...

[SkyPilot]

...And the same goes for Obama. As inexperienced as he is, he seems to know what he wants to do and has his basic philosophy (left).

Unless it is above his pay grade... :)

I think the position of POTUS is OJT for everybody, and no one can really know what the job is like until they sit in that chair.

So, ultimately the discussion of experience is sort of moot. The real test is how any administration can deal with us, the defacto shadow government that is here as administrations come and go. We actually set policies, implementation rules, administer oversight, etc...

Power to the bureaucrats!

[Greg]

With her beehive hairdo and retro specs, Palin, 44, has a “naughty librarian vibe”, according to Craig Ferguson, the Scottish comedian who stars on late-night US television. However, the selection of Palin, the governor of Alaska and a mother of five, as the first female Republican vice-presidential nominee is no joke for the Democrats.

----------------------------------------
At 44, she observed, Palin was quite literally a fresh face, not unattractive, and, behind those schoolmarm frames of the governor's glasses, and underneath the hint of cascade in her brunette locks, Joan Cheek thought she saw something else, a still resonant image from vintage popular culture.


"Wonder Woman!" she announced it, not with relish but with

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[Show-me]

Let us not forget how Obama got to Washington. No contest! Jack Ryan dropped out due to a divorce/sex scandal late in the game and Alan Keys ran for the hell of it as a carpetbagger.

Face it, if Obama would have had a real candidate to run against he would not be in Washington now. He won by default not by his experience.

[squalebear]

Face it, if Obama would have had a real candidate to run against he would not be in Washington now. He won by default not by his experience.

I'm afraid we'll be saying something similar after the elect;

If Obama would have had a real a candidate to run against and the
current Republican President wasn't looked upon as the anti- christ,
he wouldn't be President. :blink:

[luv2read]

If McCain does win; I would bet she fades in the background. She is mainly a means to get him elected and nothing more. And that's why this choice is SO wrong. Many others will see it the same way. That's quite a put-down, by the way, albeit unintended.

[JTH]

If you really want to know where she stands on MOST of the issues, then click this link.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

[fabijo]

What a WEIRD election cycle.

No?

Very true.

[ChemEng]

If you really want to know where she stands on MOST of the issues, then click this link.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htmIt 404'd me. I dont know if that was a joke, but I thought it was pretty funny. :)

[James48843]

It 404'd me. I dont know if that was a joke, but I thought it was pretty funny. :)


That site is back up now. they had to add a few lines because she actually took some positions yesterday.

And yes, it's pretty darn funny to have 404'd you. :cheesy:

[James48843]

You may have heard that on Dr. James Dobson's "Focus on the Family", this video appeared a couple weeks ago, encouraging people to pray for rain, "during a certain presidential candidate's acceptance speech. "

In this video - he asked Dobson viewers the question "Is it ok to pray for rain??"



"Abundant Rain, Torrential Rain. Urban and small stream flood advisory rain".

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One should never pray for the detriment of others.

1 Timothy 2:

1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone—
2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,
4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.
7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
8 I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.



God answers prayers, alright. But you don't always want to hear the answer that God brings you.

Let us lift us THIS gentlemen, in that he not feel somehow responsible for the result of a prayer request for "Torrential rain during a certain presidential convention."


And most of all- pray for the people of New Orleans and the surrounding area, who are, at this moment, going through a serious storm.

[luv2read]

James,

Amen, and thank you. My family and many friends are there.

I just heard from friends on the coast that the surge in Hancock and Harrison counties MS is 12' and has breached the roads, it's not in homes yet, but anybody "riding it out" is now stranded.

[Greg]

You may have heard that on Dr. James Dobson's "Focus on the Family", this video appeared a couple weeks ago, encouraging people to pray for rain, "during a certain presidential candidate's acceptance speech. "

In this video - he asked Dobson viewers the question "Is it ok to pray for rain??"


The guy in the video is NOT identified in the video or by you. It is not Dr. Dobson. I suspect it was done by a DIM so that ya'll could try to slander.

But there is proof that Micheal Moore did say that for this week.

Jimbo48843, Please identify the guy (by name) in the youtube video since you posted it.

[SkyPilot]

James, must be careful here... don't get caught up in the spin. You have great credibility, so be cautious about this kind of stuff. Invoking the Divine is major stuff, and quotation of scripture to bolster a political position should be weighed carefully and with great caution.

Maybe we should just avoid much of that here.

And for those who might be tempted to critisize Gov. Palin regarding her daughter's pregnancy... let's not. Many of us understand and can relate to this family circumstance.

[James48843]

The guy in the video is NOT identified in the video or by you. It is not Dr. Dobson. I suspect it was done by a DIM so that ya'll could try to slander.

But there is proof that Micheal Moore did say that for this week.

Jimbo48843, Please identify the guy (by name) in the youtube video since you posted it.

The gentleman in the video is Stuart Shepard. He is "media director" for Focus on the Family's political group- called "Focus Action". He does videos that appear on Focus on the Family's website. After some people objected to this one, Focus pulled the video off the website, but not before copies appeared on Youtube.

You can read more about the video here:
from Channel 7 in Denver:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/politics/17166715/detail.html

and here: a rather right of center home page of pundits:

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=1874


No slander intended.

Only prayers for those who are in the path of the storm, and a prayer for the guy who thought it would be "fun" to poke a little fun.

I'll try to clarify my previous statement- - I believe Prayer is a mighty thing that is not to be lightly. And we need to pray for BOTH sides in this presidential season- as laid out in 1 Timothy -

"I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone—
2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. "


We need to pray for ALL those in authority.

[James48843]

Enough said.


Change of topics:

To all: Happy Labor Day.

More than 100 years ago, men and women in New York marched to fight against 12-hour workdays and rampant child labor.

Workers fought to win workplace rights and better working conditions and wages at a time when they had little powerLabor Day- a day to honor the working men and women of America, will be celebrated in every state.

It is the creation of the labor movement, and is dedicated to the social and economic achievements of American workers. It constitutes a yearly national tribute to the contributions workers have made to the strength, prosperity, and well-being of our country.

If you work a 40 hour work week, it is because of the struggles of Union organized labor – workers banding together, to fight for decent hours and a safe workplace.

If you have health insurance in which the employer pays a part, it is because of the struggles of Union organized labor to obtain employer contributions to provided health care for workers.

If you have annual leave, it is because of the struggles of Union organized labor to obtain vacation days- leave- for all employees.

If you have pay raises, it is because of the struggles of Union organized labor to obtain equal pay for women and minorities – that founded the “step system pay scale” to replace the “fair haired child buddy system”. Yes, that's how idea of the "step system" of the GS scale began- as a Union initiated pay reform, ( http://cpre.wceruw.org/tcomp/general/teacherpay.php ) to provide equal pay for equal work in the 1920's for women and minorities- long before equal pay was the law of the land. Which, by the way, the law was a direct result of Union Labor work.

And the battle continues today by thousands of workers across the nation- for the basic rights of man.

You wont’ read about any of this in the official messages of current Administration Senior Management offices. But to each worker across our Government- I wish you a warm and wonderful Labor Day weekend- a time to reflect on the struggles of the past, and the struggles that lay before us in the time ahead.

My Agency? The FAA. And a SPECIAL Happy Labor Day to my brothers and sisters of NATCA, PASS, AFSCME, AFGE, NAGE, LIUNA, NAATS, PAACE, and the 34,112 current FAA employees who are represented by these Organized Labor employee groups.

Remember that Labor Day isn't about swimming pools and outdoor grills. It's about the men and women before us who worked hard to make the work environment better for all of us.

Happy Labor Day.

[SkyPilot]

The gentleman in the video is Stuart Shepard. He is "media director" for Focus on the Family's political group- called "Focus Action". He does videos that appear on Focus on the Family's website. After some people objected to this one, Focus pulled the video off the website, but not before copies appeared on Youtube.

You can read more about the video here:
from Channel 7 in Denver:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/politics/17166715/detail.html

and here: a rather right of center home page of pundits:

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=1874


No slander intended.

Only prayers for those who are in the path of the storm, and a prayer for the guy who thought it would be "fun" to poke a little fun.

I'll try to clarify my previous statement- - I believe Prayer is a mighty thing that is not to be lightly. And we need to pray for BOTH sides in this presidential season- as laid out in 1 Timothy -

"I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone—
2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. "


We need to pray for ALL those in authority.

Then again, maybe it was the Dems invoking this epitat...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/31/dem-apologizes-for-joking-about-hurricane/


...but of course, it was the fellow who caught him in the act that is to blame...

[rokid]

Boy, McCain is unbelievably clever. Palin gives him women, the NRA, hunters, pro-lifers, Eskimos, snow mobilers, commercial fishermen, moose burger lovers, the pro-drilling lobby, beauty contest queens, women basketball players, small towns, small population states, executive expertise and, now, unwed mothers! Wow. :laugh:

Obama should concede immediately. He's got no chance.----Jim

[Braveheart]

Boy, McCain is unbelievably clever. Palin gives him women, the NRA, hunters, pro-lifers, Eskimos, snow mobilers, commercial fishermen, moose burger lovers, the pro-drilling lobby, beauty contest queens, women basketball players, small towns, small population states, executive expertise and, now, unwed mothers! Wow. :laugh:

Obama should concede immediately. He's got no chance.----Jim

PALIN gives McCain the White House, she will be even more popular now than before. She stands by her kids and there are plenty of parents that would have thrown her daughter out. Not Palin she is the new Rock Star but the difference is she is not fake and doesn't hide the truth. Trust goes a long way she has that Obama can't buy it !!! :cool:

[nnuut]

PALIN gives McCain the White House, she will be even more popular now than before. She stands by her kids and there are plenty of parents that would have thrown her daughter out. Not Palin she is the new Rock Star but the difference is she is not fake and doesn't hide the truth. Trust goes a long way she has that Obama can't buy it !!! :cool:
:D
v8gCsotHagM

[Birchtree]

I've been asleep - I just realized what the DNC letters stood for: Democratic Negro Caucus.

[XL-entLady]

I've been asleep - I just realized what the DNC letters stood for: Democratic Negro Caucus.
I thought to myself, "Oh MY, I must have read that wrong!" :blink: Then I realized the post was from Birch. :rolleyes:

Lady

[luv2read]

I thought to myself, "Oh MY, I must have read that wrong!" :blink: Then I realized the post was from Birch. :rolleyes:

Lady
It could have been worse....

[James48843]

Sometimes I think Birch is kind of like that old crotchty Uncle that always shows up at the family gatherings (Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, etc.), and all the kids get big wide eyes, and giggle when he talks.

He can be embarrassing as everything, but hey, he's your Uncle. Family. And you just got to live with it.

Birch, may you show up at my family gatherings, and create memories for the young ones.... (But please don't do that "Pull my finger thing anymore, ok?)


He's Birch.

But he's OUR Birch.....

[James48843]

Now HERE is a funny one:

http://raford.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/sarah-palins-pregancy-decision-map/

[Steadygain]

Bottom Line OBAMA has no qualifications and he is an election away from being President.

In 24 hours McCain has already received 7 million dollars what does that tell you. McCain's got my vote because there is no way in hell I will follow the cult.:nuts:

Braveheart - my friend. I appreciate your insights and your opinion is just as valid and defendable as any of ours.

I tell ya what. I'd start another thread and I will be able to prove beyond the shadow of any doubt that McCain is no more qualified to be President of the United States than Obama is.

Everyone lives in a dream world - where they think the President has the power and know how to effectively run the country. That is only possible with a 'Federal System' that's set up in a healthy manner. The Bush Administration has created MORE GOVERNMENT that any previous administration and NONE OF THOSE POSITIONS are going to disappear. Until that SYSTEM is "corrected" NO ONE PERSON will be able to make any difference.

[Steadygain]

And that's why this choice is SO wrong. Many others will see it the same way. That's quite a put-down, by the way, albeit unintended.

Luv2read,
When I pulled up this thread it somehow poped up on page 4 - giving me the impression that James' response to my post was the last one.

I am the one who stressed that if McCain wins "all of us" need to embrace Sarah as the VP and give her our whole hearted support.

I am not putting her down - I am simply highlighting the way of Politics. I would hope she has a significant part in the global and domestic political exchanges - but "realistically" that is highly unlikely.

Still all of us are seeing this from the perspective that our country runs under a smooth and valid system. Here is where everyone will be shocked by the way things really are. The underlying Federal System has gotten progressively worse and worse over the years regardless of Dem or Rep - with our recent administration creating the all time "Biggest Government" ever.

So it absolutely makes little difference who steps in at this moment in time. Whoever steps in - steps into the "Biggest Government" ever and none of those positions have disappeared over time. The President will therefore have to select at least 3,000 individuals to fill the vacancies and it's just a huge mess with way too many leaders and layers of leaders going on and on.

I believe Birch, CB, and many others have solid convictions about why Obama should not be President - but for me personally I'm looking at who is willing to trim down the "underlying system" instead of adding to it.

[SkyPilot]

I tell ya what. I'd start another thread and I will be able to prove beyond the shadow of any doubt that McCain is no more qualified to be President of the United States than Obama is.


However, Obama has engaged himself defending his experience not against McCain, but rather Palin. I suspect that is exactly the strategy the Pubs were hoping to snare Obama in. In the comparison, it elevates Palin, and diminishes Obama.

Obama should have stayed on message trying to point up the unity of McCain and Bush.

As far as saying Palin should stay home with the 5 kids, now it is being pointed out that Obama has his own children and why is it more of an issue for her than him. Experience debate and now sexism...

Obama has erred by straying off message.

Age and treachery often beats youth and enthusiasm....

[2EASY]

Qualified or not - How can you pick someone to be the Commander in Chief if you have only met her once for 15 mins? What was he looking at - just her resume? Naw - he was just trying to get the women vote plus please the Rushs' & Hannitys' by getting a conservative with executive experience (how limited it is).

[Steadygain]

If you really want to know where she stands on MOST of the issues, then click this link.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

JTH - This is amazing.

I'm floored, but like I've said all along: "If the right person said the right thing I'd give them my full support". I know a lot of people that would be thrilled to see this.

Maybe this is a huge blessing in disquise - pulled in for "the wrong reason" - but meant for the best.

Thanks for sharing this!

[SkyPilot]

Qualified or not - How can you pick someone to be the Commander in Chief if you have only met her once for 15 mins? What was he looking at - just her resume? Naw - he was just trying to get the women vote plus please the Rushs' & Hannitys' by getting a conservative with executive experience (how limited it is).

Actually this is not true, but you have accurately quoted the talking points that the DNC has been publishing.

While he is undoubtedly hoping to attract independent undecideds and Hillary female voters, it seems he was more concerned with shoring up his conservative credentials with the Republican base. In that matter, this seems to be the case. They are "wild" about Palin...

This choice has also effectively robbed the news cycle and sucked the air out of the Obama speech which by most accounts was one of the 3 or 4 best presidential speeches ever made.

Some say the choice shows a lack of judgement, however, McCain may have already accomplished most of what he set out to do by choosing Gov. Palin. Crazy like a fox?

Now, if she establishes herself as a saavy politician in her debate with Sen. Biden, she adds value on another level.

Obama must recapture the momentum and focus the national argument that McCain is the 3rd Bush term. However, it is becoming increasingly difficult to paint McCain as a twin of Bush and one who cannot or will not embrace change and new ideas.

[2EASY]

SKY - what's not true? We all know there were republicans that McCain had a history with...and would have shored "up his conservative credentials with the Republican base." The GOP wont admit it - but they are ticked off. Why haven't we seen Romney or Huckleby speaking lately?

[Frixxxx]

If you really want to know where she stands on MOST of the issues, then click this link.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

Thanks for the site,, however on Family & Children, it seems to me that her daughter being pregnant is not a stance but an occurence. I know this site has many other "facts" rather than legitimate stances. Now if they named it influences, then maybe. I'm pretty sure if you asked her what her stance on pre-marital sex, she would say "I'm not for it".

As far as the Bridge to nowhere, I would have backed it if I could get my constituents jobs and benefits. But yeah, just like anyone else, denounce it for what it is when it all comes out in the wash...

Palin on Immigration....this one was funny to me. I tried to picture all the Canadians "crossing the border".

Principle and Values. Now I have to laugh at the Beauty pageant and her Miss Congeniality statement....Can't we have congeniality in the government? Are we scared it will rub off on someone? Oh and to bring up her 1984 accomplishment and label it 2008 is suspect.

Ah the list could go on....

:cool:

[CountryBoy]

SKY - what's not true? We all know there were republicans that McCain had a history with...and would have shored "up his conservative credentials with the Republican base." The GOP wont admit it - but they are ticked off. Why haven't we seen Romney or Huckleby speaking lately?

Hey 2Easy,

I'm part of that conservative base and I wasn't upset with McCain, I'm just coming to accept the fact that we are still a 2 party system, just Democrat and Socialist. And Huckleby ain't no conservative. He's just a RINO like Schwarzenegger, sp?.


Palin didn't make one iotas difference in my vote selection. I'd be just as apt to vote for Lieberman as McCain, there ain't a spit worth's of difference between the 2. As for Palin, maybe she needs to plagarized sumpin' or got caught cheatin' in college, to have the correct qualifications for Veep, since being a gov, yeah for only 2 years, doesn't seem to cut any ice with anyone. Ya'll better get rip her apart in the next couple of weeks or it'll probably be 2 late, but it may backfire on ya. Andrea Mitchell has already said, yesterday, Palin will only attract the dumb and uneducated women. We need more of this stuff. Nothin like a womans wrath. ;)

It's no wonder we don't get the best and brightest from both sides, because of all the mud and crap that the press slings, even if it's a lie.

This is guy sick and tired of politics and the hypocrisy. But then I just a dumb old cynical country inganeer. :nuts:

CB

[Birchtree]

And we know who Andrea Mitchell is married to, right? Andrea is naked in a glass house.

[SkyPilot]

SKY - what's not true? We all know there were republicans that McCain had a history with...and would have shored "up his conservative credentials with the Republican base." The GOP wont admit it - but they are ticked off. Why haven't we seen Romney or Huckleby speaking lately?

McCain has had ongoing private conversations with Palin since April, according to the McCain campaign. And I have seen both Romney and Huckabee endorsing the Palin nomination. In fact, I beleive Romney has joined McCain on the campain tour. Huckabee can be seen on Fox News as a new paid political contributor. Maybe if you Google them, you will be able to get more information on their stance.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/02/top-republicans-defend-palin-and-vetting-process/

I have not seen any evidence that the GOP is "ticked off" as you suggest, rather, the polling of GOP adherants suggest overwhelming support for this nomination. However, Charles Krauthammer did make the point that since McCain was positioned so well going into this convention that he would have preferred a Romney or Huckabee pick as a safe bet.

What is clear is that there are many Dems unhappy that Obama rejected Clinton, who would have virtually guaranteed a Democratic victory and are not ready to fall in line...

It does seem that the loyal opposition is unhappy with the GOP choice.

[JTH]

JTH - This is amazing.

I'm floored, but like I've said all along: "If the right person said the right thing I'd give them my full support". I know a lot of people that would be thrilled to see this.

Maybe this is a huge blessing in disquise - pulled in for "the wrong reason" - but meant for the best.

Thanks for sharing this!

Thanks Steady, I got the link from my dad who posted this in his forum. If there is one thing we should all agree on it's that this thread has created far more buzz then Biden ever did.

[rokid]

And we know who Andrea Mitchell is married to, right? Andrea is naked in a glass house.

Andrea and Alan naked in a glass house? :sick:

Birch, I can't take many more of your images! :laugh:-----Jim

[SkyPilot]

Andrea and Alan naked in a glass house? :sick:

Birch, I can't take many more of your images! :laugh:-----Jim

C'mon, ya know you'd look :nuts:

[Braveheart]

Did Obama get that DNC bounce ? NO

Why did Obama stay only a few points ahead of McCain - Sarah Palin!!!:D

Next week McCain/Obama even or McCain ahead by 3+ points why Palin. :D

[ChemEng]

Tucker Bounds on Palin's National Security Experience
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Almost as funny as the appeaser clip from earlier in this campaign.

[Frixxxx]

And we know who Andrea Mitchell is married to, right? Andrea is naked in a glass house.

OMG, is that legal?

Andrea and Alan naked in a glass house? :sick:

Birch, I can't take many more of your images! :laugh:-----Jim

I'd love to hear that breakfast conversation though.:cool:

[Steadygain]

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/02/technology/kimes_intrade.fortune/index.htm

If they drop her - it's politics at its worst.

[Frixxxx]

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/02/technology/kimes_intrade.fortune/index.htm

If they drop her - it's politics at its worst.


Agreed, but with just 60 days until the election, I'm not sure that they could come up with enough to actually make/get her to leave.

The part or the election coverage I started laughing at was her admitted use of Marijuana when it was legal in Alaska. As opposed to cocaine/crack that Obama has admitted to using. Hmmmmmmm:rolleyes:

[rokid]

It does seem that the loyal opposition is unhappy with the GOP choice.

I'm very happy with McCain's choice, unless, of course, he wins.

Is it true that Palin didn't tell her family she was running for VeeP, until, after she accepted? If so, that sure put her daughter and Levi in a bad position - world-wide scrutiny of a teen-age screw-up.

http://gawker.com/5044198/field-guide-levi-johnston

I hope Levi and his friend know they can't enter DC packing.:laugh:

I won't even mention the rumor that Bristol is Trig's mother and Sarah is his grandmother. Oops, I mentioned it!

Last night, on the Larry King Show, James Carville held of a picture of the Wasilla AK city hall and said it looked like a Louisiana bait shop. You be the judge. Obama can't compete with that kind of experience.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wcOjkvHl9yc/SL2AAHp_qPI/AAAAAAAABgY/uAfa2fyQWLk/s1600-h/wasilla+city+hall.jpg


Yeah, the Dems are frantic over how to handle McCain's masterful pick. Hmm, just sit back and let the press and blogsphere tear her and her family apart? ;)


Maybe, they're going for the pity vote.-----Jim

[rokid]

C'mon, ya know you'd look :nuts:

No, I don't even like looking at her face.:toung:

[nnuut]

:laugh: 4578

[tsptalk]

No, I don't even like looking at her face.:toung:
I think her face would be the least of our problems if Alan's tookus was also in that glass house. :D

[SkyPilot]

Is it true that Palin didn't tell her family she was running for VeeP, until, after she accepted? If so, that sure put her daughter and Levi in a bad position - world-wide scrutiny of a teen-age screw-up.

I won't even mention the rumor that Bristol is Trig's mother and Sarah is his grandmother. Oops, I mentioned it!


Actually, it is reported that Gov. Palin's husband and children were part of the decision, but not the extended family.

And to even go there with the false rumor you have mentioned is not worthy of your reputation. We are better than that. That would be the same as asserting that Obama is a Muslim, which of course is untrue.

[Aviator_Guy]

Sarah Palin is really getting slammed on the media, but I think it will backfire. They keep bringing up her lack of experience, so I guess being an Arkansas or a Georgia Governor makes a man a lot more qualified than a female Governor from Alaska? All it does in the end is turn the focus back to what makes Obama qualified to lead the free world? His four years in the Senate, two of which were spent running for President? Anyway, it will be really interesting watching the RNC unfold after the doom and gloom of the DNC…:cool::cool:

[James48843]

If you want to see something VERY interesting- for you die-hard traders out there- take a look at this:

http://www.intrade.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp

Where you can buy and sell futures options on political outcomes.

Pretty weird stuff.

Shows, at the moment, a 14% chance of Palin dropping out, and only a 38% chance of a McCain victory, according to traders of such futures.

4579

[rokid]

Actually, it is reported that Gov. Palin's husband and children were part of the decision, but not the extended family.

Here's my source:

"Later that morning, John McCain departed for Phoenix and Governor Palin departed with staff to Flagstaff, Arizona. Governor Palin, Kris Perry, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter proceeded to the Manchester Inn and Conference Center in Middleton, Ohio. They were checked into the hotel as the Upton Family. While there, Governor Palin’s children, who had been told they were going to Ohio to celebrate their parents’ wedding anniversary, were told for the first time that their mother would be a nominee for Vice President of the United States of America."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/29/1307122.aspx

If Gov Palin didn't discuss the consequences of pursuing the Vice Presidency with Bristol BEFORE accepting the slot, she's just an opportunist willing to sacrifice her child to her ambition. If she did, then the story needs to be rebutted, directly.

The "grandmother" rumor was reported anonymously in the Daily Kos and seems to have been debunked. I was just having fun with this wild, crazy, and rapidly changing story.

However, seriously, "why" did McCain pick Palin? Surely, there were better Republican women available. For example Olympia Snow - she's a maverick, experienced, and highly respected.

Furthermore, "why" did Gov. Palin accept? She seems like she has a lot on her plate with TrooperGate, a handicapped baby, two other young children, a son in Iraq, and a pregnant, unwed daughter.

Why go through all of this drama? I just don't get it. ----Jim

[tsptalk]

If you want to see something VERY interesting- for you die-hard traders out there- take a look at this:

http://www.intrade.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp (http://www.intrade.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp)

Where you can buy and sell futures options on political outcomes.

Pretty weird stuff.

Shows, at the moment, a 14% chance of Palin dropping out, and only a 38% chance of a McCain victory, according to traders of such futures.


4579
I should have bought McCain in December, but I'd be taking profits here. I'll buy on a pullback. :D

Hillary was the big favorite several months ago.

I remember back in early 2000, I took Bush at 2-1 (Gore was less than 1-2 at the time). I didn't know much about Bush back then, but I remember thinking, who would vote for Gore? Turns out about 50% of the country did, but I made some money when he fell short.

[JTH]

Here's my source:

"Later that morning, John McCain departed for Phoenix and Governor Palin departed with staff to Flagstaff, Arizona. Governor Palin, Kris Perry, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter proceeded to the Manchester Inn and Conference Center in Middleton, Ohio. They were checked into the hotel as the Upton Family. While there, Governor Palin’s children, who had been told they were going to Ohio to celebrate their parents’ wedding anniversary, were told for the first time that their mother would be a nominee for Vice President of the United States of America."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/29/1307122.aspx

If Gov Palin didn't discuss the consequences of pursuing the Vice Presidency with Bristol BEFORE accepting the slot, she's just an opportunist willing to sacrifice her child to her ambition. If she did, then the story needs to be rebutted, directly.

The "grandmother" rumor was reported anonymously in the Daily Kos and seems to have been debunked. I was just having fun with this wild, crazy, and rapidly changing story.

However, seriously, "why" did McCain pick Palin? Surely, there were better Republican women available. For example Olympia Snow - she's a maverick, experienced, and highly respected.

Furthermore, "why" did Gov. Palin accept? She seems like she has a lot on her plate with TrooperGate, a handicapped baby, two other young children, a son in Iraq, and a pregnant, unwed daughter.

Why go through all of this drama? I just don't get it. ----Jim

Since when do you consult your kids before taking a job? Last I checked the parents are in charge. Besides, her daughter will be 18 soon and won't have to live in the White House.

As for your last sentence, it comes off sounding sexist. We all have problems in life and we deal with them.

[SkyPilot]

Furthermore, "why" did Gov. Palin accept? She seems like she has a lot on her plate with TrooperGate, a handicapped baby, two other young children, a son in Iraq, and a pregnant, unwed daughter.

Why go through all of this drama? I just don't get it. ----Jim

Troopergate? Are you serious? Surely you would not want to resurrect a term relating to the use of "troopers" in Little Rock, Arkansas during the Clinton years?

You make some assumptions not based on fact as the article you reference doesn't even attempt to make the point that this issue had not been discussed as a family.

It only speaks to the issue of when the final decision had been made and the manner by which it was finally revealed to the family. Careful with your isogesis.

But on to your larger assertion.

So, to be eligible you must not have family complications, not have any controversies surrounding your public service, and have no situations that produce drama? Which individual would then qualify?

Even if there is none, the media seem quite capable of inventing smear and slander, to which you point to as a point of humor. Bad form indeed.

Your standard would then disqualify Obama as he has young children, a working spouse and a half brother living in poverty? This list could be developed further.

How about all of these candidates are responding to a call to service that goes beyond personal self interest, and are willing to make the sacrifice for public service?

To ask this question of Gov. Palin and not ask it of the male candidates seems a bit disingenuous. If you are just opposed to Gov. Palin because of a political position, make your case.

But to presume that one can judge her viability based on her family situation is a bit fatuous. Her family issues are more likely to make her an "everywoman", and appeal to the more populist among us. She is an imperfect person, much like the rest of us.

Attack her policies and positions, her record and experience. But to go to her family as a quallifier? Really, we are above this rhetoric.

While not an advocate of the Obama candidacy, I have directly defended his right to run for office, and have admonished my co-workers who have made these slanderous and shameful attacks on him.

Obama has called these areas off limits, good advice we should all pay attention to.

[roskopfm]

Sarah is going to eat Joe Biden alive in a debate. I cant wait, she is what the republican party needs. She is like McCain, straight shooter and puts country above party unlike biased Obama.

[SkyPilot]

Sarah is going to eat Joe Biden alive in a debate. I cant wait, she is what the republican party needs. She is like McCain, straight shooter and puts country above party unlike biased Obama.

She will have to learn a lot fast, as Biden has quite a base to work from. It would be a mistake to under estimate Biden's ability to debate and make his points.

[JTH]

I don't think she will eat his lunch. If she gets a draw or a little less, it will be a win. Nobody has high standards for her so the bar is set very low. I don't think she will choke, she's quick witted and shoots from the hip very well.

[Steadygain]

Children! Children! So much fuss. My gosh, I go to bed and a world war breaks out.

Let me tell you a little about Sarah: She is a whole lot like Luv2read; lots of drive, very focused, knows what she believes and is more than willing to set the record straight. She is from the heart and you don't need years of political GARBAGE to be qualified to run for office. What you need more than anything else is the right heart and mind and the determination to set the example and make a difference.

If we believe ONE is "right" for the job - there is no need to BASH the other. Everytime we BASH a canidate "we simply reflect our bias and prejudice views" against a particular Party, Gender, Race, Religion..... But in the end we do nothing more than convince everyone else that we are strongly biased against a particular person because they are "in our eyes" this or that.

So let me express my biased view - without BASHING anyone else. Sarah represents everything I could hope for in a leader; by the way she has lived her life, and by her own convictions on various topics that are important to me. So she has my full support.

[squalebear]

In the past, some Vice Presidents sat in the background to the point of
the American people forgetting his name. Based on the Constitutional
Powers of the elected, the Chain of Command is vital to this nations
future security. I do NOT want (8) more years of Union Busting, Doing
More With Less In A Prison Environment and Higher Health Care
Premiums. (I don't think McCain is a Bush clone). But to weigh in on the
VP nomination and overall discussion, I've come to say;

I'D RATHER HAVE;
"A strongly experienced President watching out for a weaker and less experienced Vice President"

I'D RATHER NOT HAVE;
"A Strongly experienced Vice President watching out for a weaker and less experienced President."

I want a change in Government as much as the next guy. But my kind of
change is as realistic as wishing for a McCain/Biden ticket. :blink:

[tsptalk]

So let me express my biased view - without BASHING anyone else.
Much appreciated Staedy. I would hope we're all doing that. If this discussion gets out of hand, will someone please let me know? So far it seems pretty clean with the occasional jab, but that's OK. It's the right crosses and left hooks I'm worried about. Thanks!

[SkyPilot]

Children! Children! So much fuss. My gosh, I go to bed and a world war breaks out.

Actually, this has been quite civil compared to many other discussion over the years. Anyone remember Market Timer? :nuts:

[Spaf]

I had a mom, kind of like Mrs. Palin. If it wasen't for her I would have been up the creek without a paddle. I was 18 and young to.

[rokid]

It doesn't appear that I'm changing any minds with my snarky arguments. :laugh:

I continue to be amazed how we all, including myself, see events through our own personal filters and project what we want to project on our favored candidates. I see unqualified, opportunistic, being-used career woman and you see highly qualified, tough, multi-tasking every-mom.

It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.-----Jim

P.S. I was, and still am, for Hillary.

[SkyPilot]

It doesn't appear that I'm changing any minds with my snarky arguments. :laugh:

I continue to be amazed how we all, including myself, see events through our own personal filters and project what we want to project on our favored candidates. I see unqualified, opportunistic, being-used career woman and you see highly qualified, tough, multi-tasking every-mom.

It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.-----Jim

P.S. I was, and still am, for Hillary.

"unqualified, opportunistic, being-used career woman"

Many would see Hillary in this same light.

However, before this is all done, I would not be suprised to see Hillary come to Gov. Palin's defense much as Geraldine Ferrarro has. All women in politics loose if these smears are allowed to stand unchallenged, as this can easily become the accepted standard. And remember, Hillary will likely run again in four years.

It would be to Sen. Clinton's credit and favor to stand along side Sen. Obama and call for an end to these unwarranted personal smear tactics. While Clinton and Palin have vastly different views on issues, they share a great many interests and experiences, including the sexist attacks they have suffered as they attempt to breach the male dominated political bastions.

And yes, my mother found herself in the situation Briston Palin is now in as well. I wonder how many who have been touched by this family situation will consider Gov. Palin as a sympathetic figure as they can now relate to a previously unknown candidate. The radical left who have promoted these smears are doing their candidate no great favors. Backlash is steadily building, and if Gov. Palin comports herself well tonight in her speech, she has the potential to hand this back with a devestating result, and find many friends where there were no before.

[tsptalk]

Actually, this has been quite civil compared to many other discussion over the years.
Absolutely. As we've grown and got to know each other over the years, I think we've learned to respect the opinions of the other members. It has turned into a great board and that's why we can have discussions such as these. Those that can't get along with others either leave, or get booted. :)

[squalebear]

Those that can't get along with others either leave, or get booted.

I've got extra cuffs and CS when needed Tom ! :toung:
The "Boot" is now considered abuse in my line of work ! :laugh:

[luv2read]

I've got extra cuffs and CS when needed Tom ! :toung:
The "Boot" is now considered abuse in my line of work ! :laugh:
would those be pink velvet cuffs for the ladies?:nuts:;)

[squalebear]

would those be pink velvet cuffs for the ladies?

As you wish, my dear ! But you'll have to settle for Blue or Black.
We don't do Pink (kinda,,