The Tracker and Paid Services

[tsptalk]

Now that we have people signed up and paying for two more services, we have to approach the problem of people posting their IFT's in the tracker that are just mirroring another system or service - whether that service is on TSP Talk or not.

We went through this when RevShark started up, but the response to the new systems was much higher and it's more likely that more than a few message board members are subscribers.

Consider this the first official warning to not enter your transfers into the trackers if you are follwing another service.

But I realize something has to change. The dilemma for me is, I don't want to penalize paying subscribers, but for obvious reasons we can not display your IFT's. My solution was to see if we can get ocean (or myself if ocean trusts me to play with his code :), to add an indicator that would identify paying subscribers. These members would have their returns displayed, but not their allocation. And if possible, only have their returns displayed at the end of each week.

The other issue is the prizes. We give away small prizes each month for the top 3 returns and we don't think it is really fair for those who are just copying a service's IFT's or another member's, to accept a prize. The prizes were meant for those who do their own due diligence.

Again, that penalizes a paying subscriber, which we don't want to do - but you see the dilemma.

Perhaps we can have 2 categories of prizes. Those who are using the services, and those who are not. We can pay prizes for each. I realize not everyone will follow every move of a paid service, but the problem is with having to watch the transactions to make sure it is not happening.

The key issues are:
-We don't want to jeopardize the integrity of a paid service by inadvertently giving away the information here.
- We also don't want to penalize paying subscribers
- We don't want to have to play detective by watching everyone's transactions to see if anyone is "cheating" (too harsh a word).

Anyway, any comments on that, yea or nay, or ideas to keep thing rolling smoothly, please post away.

Thanks!

[SkyPilot]

Those who are subscribers and make gains so as to qualify as winners have already recieved their reward. :)

[camper65]

Well, let me put it this way, sometimes I'll go with Ebb, and sometimes I won't. (There are no sacred cows!) What then?

[Frixxxx]

Those who are subscribers and make gains so as to qualify as winners have already recieved their reward. :)

Agreed. I am here to make my fund grow for retirement. I can't tell you how to run your site, but I think the paid subscribers are not here for t-shirts and pens. Hide my IFTs, I paid for them. Hide my stats from everyone else - your call. I can't tell you the $ of information I've recieved since I have been here on this site. But hey, I got 23 years til retirement and I just wonder who's going to run the site when the heavy hitters like you are no longer willing/able to do it.:cool:

[GGal]

Paid subscribers should not be included in anything competitive.

I'm sure paid subscribers would greatly appreciate having their returns tracked so they can see where they are.

JMHO

GGAL

[nnuut]

"I'm sure paid subscribers would greatly appreciate having their returns tracked so they can see where they are."
XACTLY!!!!:D

[SkyPilot]

Agreed. I am here to make my fund grow for retirement. I can't tell you how to run your site, but I think the paid subscribers are not here for t-shirts and pens. Hide my IFTs, I paid for them. Hide my stats from everyone else - your call. I can't tell you the $ of information I've recieved since I have been here on this site. But hey, I got 23 years til retirement and I just wonder who's going to run the site when the heavy hitters like you are no longer willing/able to do it.:cool:

There's no guarantees in life... someone will step up to the plate.

Seems like plenty of folks out there right now who are operating TSP message board/blog/orums.

Not anything as good as this, but overtime they will develop. Maybe Mike Causey will get in the game? :D:D:D

[ocean]

How about this, as Tom suggested, the paid subscribers who signed up with the autotracker will have their latest three allocations, daily and weekly returns blocked and YTD, MTD, QTD will be viewable. Similar to EbbChart and other paid services now.

If paid members do not want to be tracked at all, simply PM EW to delete it from the tracker.

Non paid members on the tracker will be shown just like what we are doing now.

Tom,

I will work on this piece of code in the next few days. You are welcome to work with me on future coding or create your own new features. In the meanwhile, you may want to have a list of the pay members who are on the tracker ready so I can add them in once the code is done.

Also feel free to browse around all the module I had created and try to follow the programming logic and you will be catching up in no time. I have 5 more years to go for my retirement, looks like the tracker will be here for a long time and eventually you will have to take over for this.

BTW, to catch up with my returns, I too may have to follow EbbChart myself.

Ocean

[ATCJeff]

What about the members who are paid subscribers, but use the systems for information only?

[Bullishreturn]

Put a seperate autotracker database within the members only section? Is that possible?

[FundSurfer]

How about this, as Tom suggested, the paid subscribers who signed up with the autotracker will have their latest three allocations, daily and weekly returns blocked and YTD, MTD, QTD will be viewable. Similar to EbbChart and other paid services now.

I think this makes great sense. In terms of the monthly prizes, I would think that if you are mostly following a service then maybe you should not be eligible. If however you are just using it as info and sometimes following and sometimes not, then really you'd be doing what a lot of professionals do.

[EW_ret]

When thinking about any change to the Automated Tracker, please follow the "simple solution" is the best. That simple solution is to follow rule six; do not track any member who pays for a TSP service. If you pay for any TSP service you are not in the tracker. This is the simple solution. We do not have the resources to differentiate between those that follow sometimes, those that follow all the time but use different funds, and those that follow but go to G fund safety and never the F fund. This just complicates the tracking work, and does not eliminate the policing of violators.

Every member must ask themselves, why do I want to be in the Automated Tracker? If you want to grow your TSP account, you follow your own strategy or pay for a service and follow it. You should really track your own investment performance, and do not need to be in any tracker. You use a financial program like Quicken or Microsoft Money to track you investment returns.

If we do not adhere to rule six, then "keep it simple" and block all fund allocations and returns of every member who pay for a TSP service. They can see there own fund allocations and returns, the paid services returns allowed, and other members who do not pay for a service. The tracker software becomes more complex if you only block certain returns and just the last three IFT moves.

[FUTURESTRADER]

roger that, EW. I'm subscribing to ebb, tho not follow 100%. I won't be posting for tracker anymore, so delete me from the tracker if it's convenient. A double edged sword for Tom, I'd think, since the premium services will cut down on the posts, and most likely the traffic overall, but I'm sure he priced all that in. Thanks for your efforts. GL to all :)

[SkiUtah]

IMHO...the tracking and prizes are not needed for paid subscribers, but what is needed is their own message board....where discussions can take place.

Full disclosure - I joined Ebb for one month. Seems if you join a paid subscriptioin, you lose the ability to discuss and get creative on the MB.

How about a seperate MB for the paid subscriptions services...then roll some of the subscription revenue to you Tom...

[Bullishreturn]

Every member must ask themselves, why do I want to be in the Automated Tracker?

Like many others here, there are SEVERAL main reasons I want to be in the tracker:

1. It provides information to me to see what others are doing, and what kind of results they get when I watch their moves, and then see who are the leaders so I can then visit their account chat threads and here and learn about their decision making process.

2. It lets me see quick and easily how I am doing compared to others. That is the fun part. When I make a bad decision and it goes south, we can all look at each other and joke about it, and feel each other's pain. And when it goes good, we can celebrate with each other , and talk about what we are going to do with that new money.

No- the autotracker and message boards are both intergral parts of this site, and we need ot find a way to make them happen - behind closed doors if necessary- but still make it work.

My 2 cents.

[EW_ret]

I see how everyone moves, or say they move their TSP funds. I see some members moving funds around daily to feed the gambler impulse. Most just want to make their TSP account grow large enough to retire early.

I added myself to the Automated Tracker to test the L fund tracking. I anticipate removing myself at end of year. I am not in the Weekly WebTracker since I became the Tracker last year. I receive multiple paid services, but do not always follow the advice. I use Quicken to track all my investment performance so I do not need to be in the tracker. I visit TSPTalk more now that I am retired and I became the Tracker because I had the time. Visiting TSPTalk allows interaction with others that I miss from work.

[camper65]

Rules??? (Must rules be set in concrete?)
I can’t see why those who pay for service should be restricted from partaking in the automatic Tracker?
For myself, I see Ebb’s system as a tool and have no intention of following it to the letter.
I do however want to see how my performance is doing compared to other members. There is something to be learned there. Something to be gained. If you must draw your oz. of blood, denote those members who Pay for service and restrict them from prizes and rewards. It seems to me that those members who are NOT on a pay for service program would also want to know how those that are, are doing! Make sense to me!

[SkyPilot]

Rules??? (Must rules be set in concrete?)
I can’t see why those who pay for service should be restricted from partaking in the automatic Tracker?
For myself, I see Ebb’s system as a tool and have no intention of following it to the letter.
I do however want to see how my performance is doing compared to other members. There is something to be learned there. Something to be gained. If you must draw your oz. of blood, denote those members who Pay for service and restrict them from prizes and rewards. It seems to me that those members who are NOT on a pay for service program would also want to know how those that are, are doing! Make sense to me!


Of course, you can use any number of tools available to track yourself. Compare your results to those using the auto tracker, and there you go.

The auto tracker is really for those who want to enter into a friendly competition to see who can guess the market the best using their own intuition/system/luck.

If you want to know how the systems that are fee for service are doing, then just refer to their published results. Those using those systems will reflect those results anyway.

[charmed855]

Two diametrically opposed business models are now in play. You can't do both effectively. If membership is where the money is and the free flow of information is discouraged, then the tracking and active account talk participation will shrivel on the vine.

[ATCJeff]

Two diametrically opposed business s are now in play. You can't do both effectively. If membership is where the money is and the free flow of information is discouraged, then the tracking and active account talk participation will shrivel on the vine.

I agree. I think Tom just made the first step(unintentional) towards a completely paid site. How long that will take is the million dollar question. By having a paid service associated with this site will result in a huge loss on the message board. In my opinion, it has already taken place. I would think the daily total number of post has probably already started a decline.

My 2 cents

[SkyPilot]

Actually, I think the various offerings on the site are complementary.

EbbTracker is not the first paid service on the site, and it may not be the last. The EbbTracker never provided information, only predictions. The site is about information, so the EbbTracker never contributed to that process in a significant way. Even Ebb himself is not a cult follower, as he deviates himself (at his own expense it seems).

The reports of the death of this site are greatly exaggerated.

We have only gone from a polemic debate about the Doctrine of the EbbTracker, and have now moved to the Theology of it. Soon it will move to the Escatology of EbbTracker while those who subscribe are mostly interested in the Soteriological aspects.

Cheer up! This is still the best place to "learn and churn"... the free ride is over. If you want to play, then you must pay...

[EW_ret]

How true that statement rings. It is difficult to have paid TSP services and still have successful free content. Once you have a popular paid service everybody wants it and can't keep their mouth shut. So we spend time policing those who are engaging the mouth before the brain.

I will remove you from the Weekly WebTracker, but not the Automated Tracker. Could you send me a PM to that effect so I a record. Then do not post to your account thread in Members' Accounts (no chat) forum. We are considering, and likely implementing changes to the Automated Tracker that will allow everyone to be tracked but hide fund allocations, and recent returns for those that pay for TSP services.

I have started examining member IFTs in the accounts threads this week for following the paid services moves. They will receive a warning if following the EbbChart system or other paid services. Continued violation of rule 6 will be referred to the site administrator, Tom.

roger that, EW. I'm subscribing to ebb, tho not follow 100%. I won't be posting for tracker anymore, so delete me from the tracker if it's convenient. A double edged sword for Tom, I'd think, since the premium services will cut down on the posts, and most likely the traffic overall, but I'm sure he priced all that in. Thanks for your efforts. GL to all :)

I agree, members rely on our tracker to compare their TSP return with others. They do not have the financial programs to track all their investments. They have a need to keep up, or do better, than the guy next door. For some it’s the gamesmanship and feeding the gambling impulse.

Of course, you can use any number of tools available to track yourself. Compare your results to those using the auto tracker, and there you go.

The auto tracker is really for those who want to enter into a friendly competition to see who can guess the market the best using their own intuition/system/luck.

If you want to know how the systems that are fee for service are doing, then just refer to their published results. Those using those systems will reflect those results anyway.

[DCguy]

I think for a nub like me, this site had provided great service of informing about where, how, and when to invest. But now I see this site requires subscription. I only started investing in TSP just a year ago and I don't have much funds invested in TSP. I think paying for service is good only for those with substantial amount of money invested in TSP and you will see the decrease in the number of new members coming to the site if information is not shared. How can you expect us, nubs, to pay the fee if the gain we achieve with this paid service is so small?... perhaps smaller than the subscription fee you require?

[SkyPilot]

I think for a nub like me, this site had provided great service of informing about where, how, and when to invest. But now I see this site requires subscription. I only started investing in TSP just a year ago and I don't have much funds invested in TSP. I think paying for service is good only for those with substantial amount of money invested in TSP and you will see the decrease in the number of new members coming to the site if information is not shared. How can you expect us, nubs, to pay the fee if the gain we achieve with this paid service is so small?... perhaps smaller than the subscription fee you require?

Think in terms of percentage growth instead of actual dollars. You will find it is as or more important to grow your balance now than later as todays dollars will ultimately be more valuable in retirement. For example, that $4 Starbucks will likely be worth 5-6x that amount at retirement.

Many people feel they don't have enough to save or invest, but by waiting, they hardly ever accumulate that amount. How much do you need to start earning what you feel such a service could return?

You probably need to use a service now more than later... if you feel a service is worthwhile at all.

Many people used the same logic to stay in the G fund, until they got enough money to justify the effort to move it around... guess what... now they wish they had gotten involved much sooner...

It is true though, the more you have, the smaller the relative cost of the service. The point is to grow your investment as quick as you can, relative to your ability to tolerate risk...

Also... if you want a discount because you are working with a smaller sum, would you be willing to pay a larger fee when you substantially grow your account proportionately? No thanks... give me the flat fee every time...

[camper65]

OK! I give up, When are today's rates posted @ TSP,gov?

[Minnow]

somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but they're usually as close to 7pm eastern time as they can get. But, they usually take longer if there is going to be a fair valuation in the "i" fund.:D

[camper65]

somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but they're usually as close to 7pm eastern time as they can get. But, they usually take longer if there is going to be a fair valuation in the "i" fund.:D


Thank You!:)

[Minnow]

You're more than welcome Camper65... first time I've ever answered a question here on the site. I'm somewhat proud of myself. :embarrest:

[GGal]

I like the idea of allowing the paid people to post to the tracker but blocking their allocations from others.

I like the idea of including the paid people's returns in the tally.

We will all know who they are since their allocations will be blocked, and seeing their returns may be good advertisement for others to sign up (or not!)

A tally is just a tally.

Of course, paid subscribers shouldn't win prizes. That would p#ss everybody off!

GGAL

[ocean]

I just implemented the feature that the autotracker is now capable of blocking the paid members with their last three transactions and returns the same same as the paid services. Example (Ocean and TSPTalk_Trading)

link: http://www.tsptalk.com/tracker/tsp_user_balance_all.php

Note: The board moderators will make the final decision to determine if this is a good way to block the paid members' info.

Ocean

[Aspiration]

Ocean,

Does this mean we can now use the autotracker if we are following a paid service? Thanks in advance for any guidance you can provide.

[ocean]

Ocean,

Does this mean we can now use the autotracker if we are following a paid service? Thanks in advance for any guidance you can provide.

Aspiration,

I believe that this is a good way to keep both paid and non-paid members on the same chart. Some comments I read here (GGal and Fundsurfer) that it may be a good way to block out certain parts of the info from paid members but will keep them on the tally.

Again, I'll let the board moderators to make the final decision on this.

Ocean

[Bullishreturn]

My vote says yes. That seems to be a good idea. I would like to see EVERYONE compete on the autotracker.

I don't follow any of the paid services exactly. But I DO take a look at the paid services, and factor it into my thought process. Perhaps 15% of my decision on placement may be influenced by where the paid services are - Personnally, I watch Ebb and Trader Fred- but I don't mirror either one of them exactly.

And NO, I don't want to compete for any prizes- I want those to go to the folks who show their ability to perform on their own.

My 2 cents- for what it's worth. (And Ocean will even give me back a penny change...)

[Bullishreturn]

Minnow is correct (Minnow- isn't this fun? )


TSP.gov USUALLY, but not always, posts new fund prices right around 7 pm. eastern time. Sometimes it's a little later, but 9 times out of 10 they are up by 7:30 pm.

And Minnow is right- that sometimes it seems to be that if they have a FV day, the posting is a little later.

Note to all: They seem to ALWAYS have the new prices on the TSP Thrift line phone service PRIOR to it being posted on the internet. There have been multiple times when they didn't have it posted on tsp.gov, and I was able to call the thriftline and get the numbers at about 7:15pm. Although, again, the FV days seem to be a source of slight delay.

[EW_ret]

I want the feature. Its useful, but its not sufficiently secure in my opinion. I can guess the IFT moves of Trader Fred by examining the prior IFTs that are not blocked and knowing that Trader Fred is making a move today, under IFT of the day, even when the allocation is blocked for the day. The fact that a paid service or that many members who subscribe are making a move for the day informs the public that a move is being made. I see a pattern formed looking at prior unblocked IFTs moves by the paid services. If the public knows that today the EbbChart is making a move, I can give a good guess if today’s move is to safety or to I/S funds. Over time of a few weeks or month, however, that would change when EbbChart moves between I and S, or S and I. The Trader Fred service is different because its pattern is stocks, safety, stocks, safety, etc. So for this service blocking just the past three moves is insufficient.

I say we should block all prior IFTs, or more than three. We also should not display the paid services' IFTs under IFT of the day.

I also say once again that we not allow public access to IFT of the day (http://www.tsptalk.com/tracker/tsp_user_record_all.php) | Members IFT Records (http://www.tsptalk.com/tracker/tsp_user_record_select.php) | Members Ranking (http://www.tsptalk.com/tracker/tsp_user_balance_all.php) | Returns Analysis (http://www.tsptalk.com/tracker/tsp_user_balance_returns.php) | (click on to see) Currently anyone can access all tracker records without logging in. Just click on any of these links at the User Logon page. I say that the tracker records only be accessible after a member logs in. I see this as a big risk factor to our tracker service. I see the convenience, but when the public finds this it could degrade the tracker service. Is this concern of mine exaggerated?

[ocean]

The following was the private thread and repost here. I will do what is needed to protect the paid service info and the paid members' interest but I do want to provide good info for the public if it is to be determined useful.

Ocean

My theory for opening up certain info unblocked is to attract all site visitors for frequent visits. If the site has useful information, people will come. That is the purpose of the free site. If the blocking of three is not sufficient, I can make it to 5 for both paid members and paid services.

However, if all the members info are blocked, it will defeat the original purpose of the webtracker. Basically all the info are available from the webtracker and its weekly reports and ATCjeff's daily returns for top 10, but the autotracker makes it much easy to locate. I don't see there is any of security issue here.

As for paid services, we have 1 protected service and 2 unprotected services since last summer (until recently). The returns from these services range from below average, to average to extremely exceptional. But it is up to the individual to make their own investment decision. Not everyone 100% follows these services. It is the beauty of free investment. It is indicated from over 140 tracked members' records on the webtracker.

If non-paid visitor could receive some hints or investment idea from this site, why not let them do it if they found the info useful. If they could configure out all the moves of the Ebbchart, that's good for them. But still, will they follow it 100%, that is another question.

My original goal to have the autotracker written was to help the admin to do the job easier and at the same time to provide useful info for visitors. Certainly I do not want to have all the info hidden for paid members.

But I will make certain adjustment for registered members (not the paid members) to view its own data if it is determined to be necessary.

[budnipper1]

There is an important and distinct difference between some members' interpretations of the rules and what is actually stated in those rules. A member who pays for a service might not follow the recommendation of that paid service. This will likely apply to the current status of many tsptalk members.

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=120765&postcount=12 (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=120765&postcount=12)
EW_ret
TSP Tracker
Re: The Tracker and Paid Services
That simple solution is to follow rule six; do not track any member who pays for a TSP service. If you pay for any TSP service you are not in the tracker.

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?t=4775 (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?t=4775)
Automated Tracker Rules
6. You should not use the Automated Tracker if you are following TSP Timing Newsletter, TSP Trader System, or any other allocation service.

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?t=4386 (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?t=4386)
Rules For Posting In Members' Accounts (no chat)
7. You should not create an Account if you are following TSP Timing Newsletter, TSP Trader System, or any other paid service.

Only a select, small number of members of tsp.talk have access to lists of the paying subscribers. (Tom, and others with a "need to know") Unless a member has made a point to announce it, the general population does not know who pays or who does not pay. Considering these facts, I suggest that blocking the IFT's posted by Ebb and the other Pay Services should be all that is necessary to "protect" the sanctity of the tracker and the pay services. After implementing that measure, if any member's returns develop a pattern of exactly mirroring Ebb's moves or returns, or the returns of any of the other pay services, then the blocking of that member's IFT's in the tracker would then be appropriate.

Blocking the IFT's of any other tsp.talk members merely because they have subscribed to a pay service serves no useful purpose, except to penalize those members for supporting this site, which is the main reason these services were created.

[camper65]

Were do I go to talk to other paid for service members on matters that should be between them and I???? No one else??
I see a need for a secure thread here, am I wrong???

[SkyPilot]

I don't think anyone has suggested just because someone has subscribed to a service that their IFT's should be hidden. However, if an individual is using a subscription service to make their moves, it is incumbent upon them to avoid posting their moves in a manner that reveals the content of the subscription service.

And why would someone want to? Participants who are using a particular service will notice right away, so it's not as if one could claim great prowess in their financial acumen without being outed.

However, if you are using several services and picking and choosing between them, no one will be able to know who's who or what's what. And then, watch folks post their moves on TSP Stategery and smoke the returns on that forum :D.

If things get to be too much of a problem, I suppose that the proprietor of the paid service could revoke the subscription of the indiscrete poster. :blink:

[camper65]

How about US? Moderators get FREE access to the PFSs are we going to be treated the same way as the Member subscribers, or are we trusted enough not to spill the beans? As anyone can see I really don't follow any system, but I do take their allocations into consideration.

The Tracker, I believe is probably the biggest reason people are attracted to TSP Talk, I really believe that. The more people on it the better.

Idealistically the folks that subscribe would have a tracker just for them to track their moves, there may be a few that follow religiously, but I don't think there is many that won't go on their own if the PFS ain't doing too well. They should be in the other tracker too in order for the other members to see how well they are doing in the paid services (Totals only). I know the problems this would create in the tracker but may resolve this problem. Sometimes I have a strange way of looking at things, but that's just how my mind works.
My 4 cents,
Norman:D

I agree with you! The sooner the better! For my self, I have to ask why I should be paying for a sys. that can be gotten for free! This doesn't work as is. If paid for Sys. work, then there results will stand. No need to show individual moves. (My 2 cents)

[budnipper1]

I don't think anyone has suggested just because someone has subscribed to a service that their IFT's should be hidden. However, if an individual is using a subscription service to make their moves, it is incumbent upon them to avoid posting their moves in a manner that reveals the content of the subscription service.

SkyPilot...I believe you and I are probably on about the same page on this issue, but if you scroll down through this thread, you'll find numerous comments conspiring to exactly that line of thought. In fact, the majority of the comments within this thread eventually lead up to hiding IFT's of paying subscribers or expelling them from the tracker altogether.:(

Here are three examples:
http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=120765&postcount=12 (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=120765&postcount=12)
/quote:
When thinking about any change to the Automated Tracker, please follow the "simple solution" is the best. That simple solution is to follow rule six; do not track any member who pays for a TSP service. If you pay for any TSP service you are not in the tracker. This is the simple solution. We do not have the resources to differentiate between those that follow sometimes, those that follow all the time but use different funds, and those that follow but go to G fund safety and never the F fund. This just complicates the tracking work, and does not eliminate the policing of violators.

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=121194&postcount=30 (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=121194&postcount=30)
/quote:
I just implemented the feature that the autotracker is now capable of blocking the paid members with their last three transactions and returns the same same as the paid services.

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=121203&postcount=32 (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=121203&postcount=32)
/quote:
I believe that this is a good way to keep both paid and non-paid members on the same chart. Some comments I read here (GGal and Fundsurfer) that it may be a good way to block out certain parts of the info from paid members but will keep them on the tally.

[ocean]

OK. This is what I plan to do, see if it makes sense.

All paid services will not be shown on IFT of the day. Only YTD returns will be shown. Their last 5 allocations will be blocked.

As for paid members, YTD returns will be shown and last 5 allocation will be blocked as well.

Other non paid members data will be shown as usual. This is the same way as we've been doing with the webtracker and "no chat" allocation and record reporting.

I discourage the idea of only register members can see IFT of the day, member's recording etc. By opening up of this type of data, it would provide additional free info along with other useful market analysis.

If any paid or non paid members feel they don't want to show that much of own data. My suggestion is to PM EW to take it off from the tracker.

Hope this approach would help to easy the tension a bit.

BTW, the paid services on IFT allocation in "IFT of the day" has been implemented and now it is made effective.

Ocean

[ocean]

Just finished the code with the suggestions that I mentioned earlier. Please check it out.

Ocean

[Miss Piggy]

Can a pay subscriber have access to the Automated Tracker just to view (not to have their own account tracked)?

[EW_ret]

The purpose for the Automated Tracker is to record you allocations and IFTs in order to calculate your return, and compare with others. Any TSPTalk member with ten posts can join the Automated Tracker. You do not have to subscribe to the premium services to access the tracker. You must post a fund allocation at least every three months to remain in the tracker. If there is no change in allocation, one would enter the same fund allocation.

Can a pay subscriber have access to the Automated Tracker just to view (not to have their own account tracked)?

[Miss Piggy]

Originally Posted by Miss Piggy http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?p=123085#post123085)
Can a pay subscriber have access to the Automated Tracker just to view (not to have their own account tracked)?
The purpose for the Automated Tracker is to record you allocations and IFTs in order to calculate your return, and compare with others. Any TSPTalk member with ten posts can join the Automated Tracker. You do not have to subscribe to the premium services to access the tracker. You must post a fund allocation at least every three months to remain in the tracker. If there is no change in allocation, one would enter the same fund allocation.

IS THAT A FLAT "NO"?

[jlpost]

Doesn't seem to be any problem viewing. Just go to the automated tracker and click your choice below the the login block - without logging in.

[Miss Piggy]

Doesn't seem to be any problem viewing. Just go to the automated tracker and click your choice below the the login block - without logging in.
Thank you so much. I didn't realize that.