Weekly Tally - Helpful or Hurtful?

[rokid]

I received the following from M_M:

I understand the monthly tally, but to post it every week I think is over doing it. I've learned that trying to make so much in one week with TSP is just plain stupid. I think doing a weekly tally is making people move around more than they should so it's not really helping anyone here.

M_M makes a good point. In reality, returns over a very short period don't mean a whole lot. However, for me, watching how the market changes, how people react to those changes, and how successful some people have been with their strategies is interesting.

That said, I don't want to negatively impact any one's returns (or retirement). PM me if you'd like to be removed from the tally. It won't impact your tracker status.

In addition, the attached poll allows you to vote for or against a weekly tally. Majority rules!-----Rokid

[Show-me]

rokid,

My opinion is that you are doing a great service to everyone. On a weekly basis they can see what works or does not work. Everything in life takes some sort of disciple to be successful. If some are making to many move it is their choice and perhaps your tally will show them that. Ewguy does the tracker weekly and should we shut him down also? I think not. Some people may be being hurt by seeing the tally or tracker weekly but also some may be benefiting from it.

The tracker and the tally can be used as a great tool to show everyone what is working and what is not working. IFT are a choice each individual makes for themselves and if some are unsuccessful absolutely no blame should be laid at yours or Ewguy's feet. JMHO:D

[nnuut]

Man! don't talk FOOL! Love the weekly Tally!!:D
Keep up the good work it's a beniefit to all of us.:p

[ocean]

Rokid,

I agreed with you and show-me totally. I found the information is useful for my allocations and it led to my success this year so far. I think it should be continued.

Ewguy is doing a great job and so did MM when he was a tracker. Your tally is really helpful and thanks for your hard work. In my opinion, if one found the information is not helping, just ask for delisting from the tally.

Ocean

[The_Technician]

I think everything that needed to be said has been said. Keep it.

[mlk_man]

Nnutt I don't think your comment was needed.

Techy says keep it so I'd keep it.

[mlk_man]

Might I suggest posting ones weekly win/loss percentage instead. Or perhaps adding it to the tally. That would save me some time doing it myself. :D

[nnuut]

Nnutt I don't think your comment was needed.

Techy says keep it so I'd keep it.
Thanks M_M, You're right, as always.:D

[mlk_man]

This is my whole post BTW.........trouble happens when you post part of something..........

Rokid, can you take me off your weekly tally please. I understand the monthly tally, but to post it every week I think is over doing it. I've learned that trying to make so much in one week with TSP is just plain stupid. I think doing a weekly tally is making people move around more than they should so it's not really helping anyone here.

This does not include the weekly tracker which think is helpful.

Thanks,

M_M

[mlk_man]

You didn't receive it, I posted it. Big difference......:)

I received the following from M_M:

I understand the monthly tally, but to post it every week I think is over doing it. I've learned that trying to make so much in one week with TSP is just plain stupid. I think doing a weekly tally is making people move around more than they should so it's not really helping anyone here.

M_M makes a good point. In reality, returns over a very short period don't mean a whole lot. However, for me, watching how the market changes, how people react to those changes, and how successful some people have been with their strategies is interesting.

That said, I don't want to negatively impact any one's returns (or retirement). PM me if you'd like to be removed from the tally. It won't impact your tracker status.

In addition, the attached poll allows you to vote for or against a weekly tally. Majority rules!-----Rokid

[Show-me]

:confused: I am confused.:confused:

What's the difference between the weekly tracker and tally?:D

[mlk_man]

:confused: I am confused.:confused:

What's the difference between the weekly tracker and tally?:D

What? You make a big comment earlier and you don't know the difference? Are you democrat? :p

I make one little statement about being remove from the WEEKLY tally and it becomes a big issue.

Guess I'm just a fool...........

[FundSurfer]

Weekly Tracker spreadsheet....good. I really use it to see quickly what positions people who I follow are taking. I don't really pay attention to the returns on a weekly basis.

Weekly Analysis of Tracker....interesting. I really look at it to compare how the front runners have done that week. Yes, I'm competitive but I work hard to try and take emotion out of the way that I trade. I don't think it effects the way that I trade. I do have to admit that the first year I did make some bone head trades trying to maximize my return for tally purposes. I can see milk_man's point and he is correct from a returns point of view. I can see how it may affect how aggressive some people are.

Monthly Tally... biased (since I help put it together). I really don't pay any attention to the monthly highest gains except to be able to pat people on the back. I like that Tom gives out a cup even if I haven't gotten one yet...maybe someday. I do pay attention to the long term gains -- last 12 months and year to date. This has helped me to know who to pay attention to. I'm impressed most by the people with the highest returns yet have the fewest moves on a long term basis.

[Show-me]

What? You make a big comment earlier and you don't know the difference? Are you democrat? :p

I make one little statement about being remove from the WEEKLY tally and it becomes a big issue.

Guess I'm just a fool...........

Wow.......I sensing some hostility over there. My comment are mine and apparently you don't agree and feel the need to lash out at me or to stifle me. Sound like a familiar MO.

My question was rhetorical. The "WEEKLY Tracker (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?p=54232#post54232)" and the "Tally (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?p=54231#post54231)" are both doing a similar function just in a different format.

As far as being a democrat........from one who is constantly complaining about personal attacks. What was that.............funny or your version of a personal shot?:D

[EW_ret]

:confused: I am confused.:confused:

What's the difference between the weekly tracker and tally?:D

The weekly tracker is a Excel spreadsheet we maintain that tracks the IFT moves of all TSPTalk members who wished to be tracked. I now maintain the weeky tracker.

I email the weekly tracker to Tom, rokid and FundSurfer. Tom uploads the weekly tracker each weekend to a special subfolder for members to download. Rokid uses the weekly tracker to publish the weekly and monthly tally reports. FundSurfer publishes a monthly report.

[Show-me]

The weekly tracker is a Excel spreadsheet we maintain that tracks the IFT moves of all TSPTalk members who wished to be tracked. I now maintain the weeky tracker.

I email the weekly tracker to Tom, rokid and FundSurfer. Tom uploads the weekly tracker each weekend to a special subfolder for members to download. Rokid uses the weekly tracker to publish the weekly and monthly tally reports. FundSurfer publishes a monthly report.


So we have a weekly tracker that is post weekly with everyone's ytd and monthly. POSTED WEEKLY MILK. Posted in Excel......something we may not all have or want to download the viewer to their PC. Rokid just compiles it to make it easier for everyone to visualize. What's the big freak'n difference for pete sakes!

LOL This is ridiculous and typical of a certain member. We don't need you looking out for all of us. We are grown ups!

Thank you Ew and Rokid for what you to are doing I hope stay the way it is.

[ebbnflow]

Weekly Analysis of Tracker....interesting. I really look at it to compare how the front runners have done that week. Yes, I'm competitive but I work hard to try and take emotion out of the way that I trade. I don't think it effects the way that I trade. I do have to admit that the first year I did make some bone head trades trying to maximize my return for tally purposes. I can see milk_man's point and he is correct from a returns point of view. I can see how it may affect how aggressive some people are.

Want to find out what makes us competitive? It's all in the genes. Here's an interesting read: Selfish Genes And Mellow Monkeys (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_34/b3998405.htm?chan=magazine_spr_pb). Near the end of the article, it shows a glimmer of hope for humanity...if we could only learn from the mellow monkeys. :nuts:

[Spaf]

The weekly tracker is a Excel spreadsheet we maintain that tracks the IFT moves of all TSPTalk members who wished to be tracked. I now maintain the weeky tracker.

I email the weekly tracker to Tom, rokid and FundSurfer. Tom uploads the weekly tracker each weekend to a special subfolder for members to download. Rokid uses the weekly tracker to publish the weekly and monthly tally reports. FundSurfer publishes a monthly report.

The Tracker and the tallies have become somewhat a SOP on the board! They take a lot of volunteer time. Many members find them helpful and appreciate the work done by the respected members.....;)
However, they are all optional, a gift in a box. If someone doesn't want to open the box, they are not compelled too. If it helps peek in....:nuts: If it hurts, don't peek!....:eek:

[ayla]

I voted to keep the weekly tally. That said, if you guys start feeling like this stuff is too much work, this would be a good thing to consider eliminating. Guess we'll wait until that happens though.

Thanks for the work you guys do.

[pyriel]

I like all tally whether its weekly or monthly. I think everyone here is educated enough to make their own decision concerning their moves. Thanks everyone in participating and helping one another. Here is a big hug from me to all of you... HUGZ...
P

[nnuut]

Yes Sir, I said I like it, and I do! Great stuff!!:D 17 to 3, what else is there to say?:nuts: Who voted twice?:p

[mlk_man]

Wow.......I sensing some hostility over there. My comment are mine and apparently you don't agree and feel the need to lash out at me or to stifle me. Sound like a familiar MO.

My question was rhetorical. The "WEEKLY Tracker (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?p=54232#post54232)" and the "Tally (http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showthread.php?p=54231#post54231)" are both doing a similar function just in a different format.

As far as being a democrat........from one who is constantly complaining about personal attacks. What was that.............funny or your version of a personal shot?:D


It was a joke, don't dwell on it and read my full original comment to Rokid and not just what he posted. I said "please" and "thanks". ;)

Just call me "MOe"...............:blink:

[Fivetears]

rokid, The Weekly Tally is another useful tool to gauge one's personal TSP investment performance; A keeper for the MB. If you could only get Kasey Kasem to put a voice to it.

[ebbnflow]

Let's keep the tally. I look forward to it every week. Besides I love them pretty colors! :cheesy:

[mlk_man]

ebb, I like your avatar. I saw that yesterday and was gonna send it to Birchy. :D

[Griffin]

rokid, The Weekly Tally is another useful tool to gauge one's personal TSP investment performance; A keeper for the MB. If you could only get Kasey Kasem to put a voice to it.

I agree....but let's get John Madden and chalk board. :D

[ebbnflow]

ebb, I like your avatar. I saw that yesterday and was gonna send it to Birchy. :D

Yep, the bull caught my eye on one of Yahoo's advertisement banner, so I captured it. I even saw EWguy's working avatar. :D

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-4/1168157/gears.gif

[EW_ret]

ebbnflow,

How can I get the cogs to rotate? Can't figure the trick so the gif moves. I have tried, but I have been unsuccessful. I uploaded the gif to my avatar page, but afterwards it has no motion. Is a format issue?

By the way, I saw a EbbnFlow sign at aquarium in Hawaii. Do you want me to send you the picture?

[Spaf]

EW,
Your avatar with gears rotating was 93x70. When it got resized down to 80x60 the gears stopped. Ebbs (bull) avatar is 80x80. Max for the site is 80x80. In resizing your avatar something went amiss.
Spaf

[ebbnflow]

ebbnflow,

How can I get the cogs to rotate? Can't figure the trick so the gif moves. I have tried, but I have been unsuccessful. I uploaded the gif to my avatar page, but afterwards it has no motion. Is a format issue?

By the way, I saw a EbbnFlow sign at aquarium in Hawaii. Do you want me to send you the picture?

Spaf is right. I changed the size (80x60) and uploaded it again, so you can resave it to your computer and it should work this time. :D

[EW_ret]

Thanks for the good information about animation with avatars. So all I need to do is change pixel resolution to 80X80 or less, then animation will work after uploading? What software do you use to resize (Photo Elements, Paint)?

[ebbnflow]

Thanks for the good information about animation with avatars. So all I need to do is change pixel resolution to 80X80 or less, then animation will work after uploading? What software do you use to resize (Photo Elements, Paint)?

Glad to see it work! I used the free online service below to work with the gif. By the way, where's the pic of the EbbnFlow sign you saw in Hawaii?

Congratulations on your TSPTalk 2nd year anniversary, Rod. If anyone wishes to spiff up their avatar, just click on Rod's avatar below. :)

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-4/1168157/cross3d.brght.int.gif (http://www.gifworks.com)

[EW_ret]

Glad to see it work! I used the free online service below to work with the gif. By the way, where's the pic of the EbbnFlow sign you saw in Hawaii?

Check your account talk for my post with the EbbnFlow sign. :)

[korn69magic]

How do you keep track of your tally? IS there a program? Where do the #'s come from? I'm new so for give me.

[rokid]

How do you keep track of your tally? IS there a program? Where do the #'s come from? I'm new so for give me.
EWGuy maintains a spreadsheet of member returns based on the postings to the "Member Allocations, Transactions, and Returns" thread. The spreadsheet is derived from the spreadsheet developed by Tom (TSPTalk). My tally is based on the returns generated from EWGuy's spreadsheet. I just front end his spreadsheet with another. Contact EWGuy if you'd like to be tracked.

[Desperado]

rokid,

My opinion is that you are doing a great service to everyone. On a weekly basis they can see what works or does not work. :D

Why stop there? Why not a daily tally?

[Show-me]

Why stop there? Why not a daily tally?

Are you volunteering or just running your mouth? :confused:

[Show-me]

Still trying to draw attention to yourself I see. The name Desperado would be more suited as Desperate.

[SkyPilot]

Desparado...

A daily tally doesn't really give anyone a large enough picture, especially given the daily noon EST deadline.

However, a weekly tally provides a large enough context to be interesting and useful to some. You can check individual accounts and compute the results if you really have an interest regarding an individuals daily returns.

And if you are really interested in making a positive contribution and to be viewed as credible, the invitation is extended once again to establish your own account and he held accountable.

[mayday]

Desparado...

A daily tally doesn't really give anyone a large enough picture, especially given the daily noon EST deadline.

However, a weekly tally provides a large enough context to be interesting and useful to some. You can check individual accounts and compute the results if you really have an interest regarding an individuals daily returns.

And if you are really interested in making a positive contribution and to be viewed as credible, the invitation is extended once again to establish your own account and he held accountable.

Desparado you are so interested in our moves. I would love to see how you are moving in this TSP environment.

[Show-me]

He doesn't move and he is not interested in a "daily tally" (just sniping). He has returned from the void because he could not stand to stand by while we travel down the path of destruction. His one post thread is not blossoming so he must sow seeds elsewhere. He is in fact here to save us from ourselves. Be prepared to be swept off of your feet.

He is in fact sound more and more like a familiar member. "I'm leaving........... no, I can't do that to you all I'm back................no, I'm leaving.................no, I'm back. Must herd the Monkeys back to the straight and narrow."

LOL!!!

:rolleyes:

[mayday]

He doesn't move and he is not interested in a "daily tally" (just sniping). He has returned from the void because he could not stand to stand by while we travel down the path of destruction. His one post thread is not blossoming so he must sow seeds elsewhere. He is in fact here to save us from ourselves. Be prepared to be swept off of your feet.

He is in fact sound more and more like a familiar member. "I'm leaving........... no, I can't do that to you all I'm back................no, I'm leaving.................no, I'm back. Must herd the Monkeys back to the straight and narrow."

LOL!!!

:rolleyes:
Desparado seriously post your move or moves and put your money where your mouth is. You can even throw darts. It is a viable indicator to see your strategy working in a real competitive environment.

[FundSurfer]

Why stop there? Why not a daily tally?
Actually.... I've been working on a spreadsheet that could plot daily increase/decrease of an account from our tracker. The purpose would be to make it easier to observe drawdown/riskiness of the person being tracked. The more the fluctuation the more the risk. Forget who suggested drawdown as a measure originally but I just learned some new excel tricks which make it possible without a whole lot of effort.

(I think I'm beginning to sound like a broken record.... "been working on a spreadsheet...")

[SkiUtah]

Conspiracy theory says that Despardo is a TSP.gov plant. Brillliant mind, never mind...

[Desperado]

Conspiracy theory says that Despardo is a TSP.gov plant. Brillliant mind, never mind...

Rowr! You make one little light-hearted comment and everyone gets all hot and bothered. Personally, I think the weekly tallies are kind of silly. Monthly? All right, I'll buy monthly. But weekly? Come on. You don't really believe that a person who did better this week is a more skilled trader do you?

Obviously I'm not volunteering to calculate your daily returns. And for those of you who want to see how I'm doing for some crazy reason, I told you what the equivalent TSP allocation for me would be (25% C, 25% S, 25% I, 25% G) so if you're really interested, plug it in to see how I'm doing. But personally, I can handle waiting two weeks and starting the first of the new year.

BTW, I'm curious to see whether the portfolio tracker accounts for inflows and outflows? Otherwise, the return it generates cannot be accurate. (If you don't understand why, google XIRR.) Then there is really no reason for me to post my own account there.

[SkyPilot]

(25% C, 25% S, 25% I, 25% G)

And there you have it sports fans; point, match and game over...

Get a monkey :D

[rokid]

I told you what the equivalent TSP allocation for me would be (25% C, 25% S, 25% I, 25% G) so if you're really interested, plug it in to see how I'm doing.

What's the strategy behind your asset allocation? What is your expected return? What is your expected level of risk? Does this represent a small tilt?

Just curious.

[tsptalk]

Why show MLB / NBA / NFL, etc., standings in the newspaper every day? The only reason I can think of is that people want to know. I say, give the people what they want.

[Birchtree]

Isn't that Desparado allocation essentially the same as one of the heralded L funds. Not for me guys, I'd rather spank the monkey. I just hope I can do even better next year - being a buy and hold is not easy, especially when you don't play with copper.

[SkyPilot]

I think we have found our "test monkey". :nuts:

[GGal]

Positive side of Weekly Tally - it puts my progress right there in front of me, and forces me to stay on top of it.

Down side of Tally - it brings out the competive beast in some members, kill or be killed, so they do things like post their move at 12 noon so no one can keep up with them.

Positive side wins.

Ga

[James48843]

Helpful

[nnuut]

Positive side of Weekly Tally - it puts my progress right there in front of me, and forces me to stay on top of it.

Down side of Tally - it brings out the competive beast in some members, kill or be killed, so they do things like post their move at 12 noon so no one can keep up with them.

Positive side wins.

Ga
I'm sure we all realize that competition is GOOD in many ways. It encourages Members to learn more, take an active part in their investments and really has more to the upside than the downside. Think about it, what drives the best FOOTBALL TEAM, Money and competition! They learn from their mistakes and the mistakes of others, it's a process.:cool:
Norman